>reparations made Haiti poorThen why aren't France or Germany or Japan poor when they all had to pay much larger reparations throughout their history?
>>18408741Iirc they didn't prepare their economy for a shift interest of away from sugar. A lot of the land is allegedly unusable for farming as well.
>>18408744*shift of interest away
>>18408744>A lot of the land is allegedly unusable for farming as well.If they can't grow food, did it make sense for Haiti to grow to twice the size of Denmark, which is an agricultural heaven by any measure?
>>18408741>France or Germany or Japan poor when they all had to pay much larger reparations throughout their history?Germany started one war because of it, Japan got cucked out of it'a sovereignty and is tied to a senile imperial power. France historically alternates between antagonizing others, delusions of grandeur and alternating shots on it's left or right foot respectively.
>>18408750>which is an agricultural heaven by any measure?Not really unless you meant in comparison to Haiti.
>>18408750That would obviously be due to aid. Seeing the pic you attached, you should know that they can't feed themselves.
>>18408761Denmark is completely flat and arable, and is a major food exporter.
>>18408767>Denmark is completely flat and arableNot exactly. It's also in the EU CAP.>>18408765>That would obviously be due to aidNot really. The idea that aid is the sole cause of it is silly. More so when population increases have happened in times of dubious of inconsistent food supply.
>>18408781Oh and in the case of Denmark that farming has also led to massive bio-diversity losses, envionmental damage, and high GHG emissions so it's not like it didn't have a cost too.
Haiti is poor because papa doc killed the mulatto ruling class so the moral of story is never go against BWWM love (or their offspring)
reparations fucked 19th-century Haiti but it was the US that fucked it in the 20thAlso their own political class did it few favors, too much infighting and embezzlement (then again when a decent man like Aristide gets in the burgs just kidnap him)
>>18408741>It's not fair, the french demanded reparations for brutally massacring their civilians!People who complain about this are morons.
>>18408741>We demand gibs because you dared to end slavery!French kept them in perpetual economic hell for over a century. It's not hard.You're asking a tiny spec of an island consisting of ex-slaves to pay 112 million francs which would've equated to $20 billion USD today.By comparison Germany got off easy. As always here retarded 15 year old Nazis will make up any bs in this thread and say it's just purely about skin tone thoughbeit.
>>18409098>Nooo you can't kill people during a war!Plus you're intentionally ignoring that France did the same to the Haitians and never gave them reparations.
>>18408741i don't know maybe because france and germany and japan weren't populated by double digit iq former slaves
Why don't they fish?
>>18409118>You're asking a tiny spec of an island consisting of ex-slaves to pay 112 million francs which would've equated to $20 billion USD today.France paid 5 billion francs in reparations to Germany in 1871.Germany paid 131 billion gold marks for WW1 and has been paying hundreds of billions for WW2 to various countries and to holocaust victims.Japan paid about $1.5 billion in 1945 money.
>>18409471>Germany paid 131 billion gold marks for WW1hehBetween 1919 and 1932, Germany paid less than 21 billion marks in reparations, mostly funded by foreign loans that Adolf Hitler reneged on in 1939.Germany was initially ORDERED to pay 132 billion gold marks in reparations under the 1919 Treaty of Versailles. Following, reductions and loan restructuring, Germany PAID approximately 20-23 billion gold marks.lmao
>>18409118Why should France have treated them better when they had raped and murdered countless French citizens with no option of surrender?
>>18409583>Between 1919 and 1932, Germany paid less than 21 billion marks in reparations, mostly funded by foreign loans that Adolf Hitler reneged on in 1939.hehHow much did Haiti pay in the first 13 years? lmao
>>18408741Gobineau looked at their crop outputs throughout the following decades, sugar production dropped off like crazy and the lazy fucks let it mothballThen modern libs will cope by blaming France or America for soft intervention, as though the situation wouldn't be fucked either way
>>18408741>HaitiWhat happened:Whites leftblacks killed mixed breeds to purify themselvesthe blacks returned to monkey because they can do nothing else on their own
>>18410283>sugar production dropped off like crazyBecause the sugar production hinged off slave and abusive labour. Post independence no one wanted to work like that again.>Then modern libs will cope by blaming France or America for soft interventionThe forced repayment of slave assets by the French blockade and the multple ahitty intervention attempts were awful.>>18410289>Whites left>blacks killed mixed breeds to purify themselvesFalse on both parts. Whites still existed after the revolution and mixed race people still were plenty on the island.>the blacks returned to monkey because they can do nothing else on their ownYou type like a LatAm diaspora chud.
>>18409588>raped and murdered countless French citizensSo France started a war to bring black slavery to the island and had a ton of the white elites either directly supports it, use petit blancs as pawns or shill for the invasion from abroad in Louisiana and you're surprised people got mad at the French?>with no option of surrender?France started the conflict. Like you seem to try to avoid the reality that shitty plantation lobbyists influence Napoleon and sent men to die for some yellow fever/malaria infested commodity bubble.
>>18409142>france and germany and japan weren't populated by double digit iq former slavesAll their economies are pretty much stagnant. Turns out trying ones economy to the big boys like a total serf backfired hard. Now some Euro states that totally didn't learn any lessons from the Russian gas fiasco want to buy some from fucking Africa lmao.
>>18409588Why should the Haitians have given the option of surrender when the Vicomte de Rochambeau spent the last three years siccing starving attack dogs on every nigger he found, man, woman, or child.
>>18408741Turns out that everyone wanting to be a thug, rapper, or voodoo priest (or some combo of the three); is not a working foundation of a functional economy.
>>18410391Everyone wants to be Billywitchdoctordotcom until it's time to do Billywitchdoctordotcom shit.
>>18410289>blacks>look inside>Khoisan peopleGo back to /pol/ you absolute monkey.
>>18410367Leclerc was no less bloodthirsty, btw. But he was a bit more 'humane' in his execution methods. You can't really omit that from the equation and expect it to make sense. Which I guess is the point; to say "and then for no reason at all, the bloodthirsty niggoyim descended upon Hitler's Chosen People and killed them all through no fault of our own."
>>18410289i see no blacks in this picture
>>18409674nigga, rest of the debt was reduced and forgiven, not mention that they pay reparations by taking loans they didn't paid back
>>18408741Haiti voluntarily took high-interest loans to pay reparations, and even then they paid the last of their debts in 1947. They've had 80 years to generate wealth.
America didn't rob them blind at gunpoint on behalf of citibank like they did in Haiti, nor where they saddled with an unfair 140 year debt with exorbitant interest rates and fees that double dipped on both for 150 years.Instead FDR propped up the industries of these WW2 economies, gave them free money and worked closely with them for decades.
>>18408758Except Germany never actually paid. Most of its debt was cancelled even before Hitler reached power.
>>18410318>>18410367>*monkey noises*Enjoy your mud cookies little niggas, you’ll need the energy if you want to flee from the murderous cannibal drug gangs.
>>18408741>FranceAlready a highly developed economy>Germany,JapanWould be third world shitholes to this day if not for infinite US money and extremely lenient WW2 reparations. Also Germs basically ignored their WW1 debt.
>>18408741Giving money isn't the same has providing a detailed plan to recover.If I have to explain the difference, you should just give up on life.
>>18410446Idc what anyone says, the Khoisan are kino
>>18410939/pol/tranny breakdown bahahahaha
>>18410961>seethingKek. Come get me when Haitians aren't being eaten by other Haitians.
>>18408741The US has militarily occupied Haiti multiple times in the last 100 years what have they actually built over there ?
>>18410956>Giving money isn't the same has providing a detailed plan to recover.This. And no one will ever attempt at trying to provide a plan on how to fix the shit show that is Haiti. Its too far gone at this point. May as well be a modern day Rapa Nui.
>>18410712>Instead FDR propped up the industries of these WW2 economies, gave them free money and worked closely with them for decades.yeah if there's one thing we know about Haiti, it's that they never received any foreign aid
>>18410797>Except Germany never actually paid.Germany paid their WW1 reparations in full. It made payments until 2010.
>>18411300>why didn't US make Haiti not poor you bigot
https://ia903201.us.archive.org/29/items/5113-2-iq-and-the-wealth-of-nations-by-richard-lynn-tatu-vanhanen/%235113_2_IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations_by_Richard_Lynn%2C_Tatu_Vanhanen.pdf
>>18411586>it's that they never received any foreign aidIt pretty much spent most of it's time paying off reparations and debt or getting an military intervention or couped.>>18411644>Richard LynnLmao get that fraud shit outta here.
>>18410939>murderous cannibal drug gangs.Why are chuds so obsessed about calling other people cannibals. It's sad projection at this point.
>>18411655Is that any good counter-study positing a higher average per capita IQ for Haiti? Richard Lynn has a lot of flaws, so I'd like the most up-to-date findings on Haitian IQ.
Is this book any good? Any good books on Haitian failure to thrive without White support?
>>18411660>Is that any good counter-study positing a higher average per capita IQ for Haiti?You mean within the scope of just Haiti because the vast majority of IQ testing comparisons only concern with local data and their central tendencies?>so I'd like the most up-to-date findings on Haitian IQ.Iq doesnt really work as a sort of reliable or even useful number to compare between states.
>>18411663>Iq doesnt really work as a sort of reliable or even useful numberAny better comparable metrics on cognitive performance?
Actually, Haiti's early years were quite impressive considering it was a new country founded by slaves.They attempted to create a small Black nobility, and for example, building the Palais du sans-soucis.Haiti became embroiled in numerous conflicts, such as those with the Spanish/Dominicans to the right, the Haitian Republican rebels in the south, and the United States and France (its former main trading partner), which disrupted trade with them.
>>18411713They didn't create any wealth in that period. They were still in the looting phase. Everything fell apart after they ran out of loot
>>18411716>They didn't create any wealth in that periodThe north (the Kingdom of Haiti) did.Henri Cristoff decided to return to the traditional plantation system, unlike the south, which had subdivided land into subsistence parcels of peasants.The northern plantation system was much more effective at increasing agricultural production.The north also began to collaborate extensively commercially with Great Britain.All of this allowed Henri to create his megaprojects.
>>18411741What happened? Why did it fail?
>>18411713>be haiti>be poor>use all your money to pay foreigners to build palaces
>>18411586It's the type of foreign aid that is the problem, look at Somalia they were once an exporter of food but dumping cheap food on their country killed their incentive to have a domestic industry and continue farming.Your view of the world and history is too simplistic for this issue.
>>18412492>>use all your money to pay foreigners to build palacesIt was built by haitians (designed by Henri Barre and advised by Pompee Vastey, who was mulato, both of them haitians)Also, Henri only began his megaproyects when the kingdom of haiti was already doing money with the commerce of sugar with britain
>>18412572>if I repeat leftist talking points often enough it'll become trueSomalia receives billions on aid and unsurprisingly, those billions are not food.
>>18412700>if I post the most recent year obviously that means this is indicative of the breakdown of aid historicallyYou are small minded and short sighted, they received near zero aid outside of food until recently
>>18412687La ferrierre is really damn impressive for what it is. Even if the strategic thinking that lead to it wasn't very sound.
>>18412709Somalia must be rich now since they've been receiving billions in aid for decades and what and how much aid you get is the sole determinant in a country's wealth.
>>18412883>they've been receiving billions in aid for decadesBillions is tiny you myopic retard. Much more so when it was a miniscule trickle.
>>18412922And rich states burn way way more budget money or go through debt for much more frivolous shit. So the idea that aid is wasteful is inherently silly, especially when aid has been cut for ages at this point and the major polluters and carbon spewing states all refuse to pay into climate relief and assistance.
>>18408758>Germany started one war because of itI was in high school when Germany finished paying the indemnities for WWI
