Christians. Please explain and justify the following;>2 Kings 2:23-25Yahweh sends a bear to maul a group of children to death for laughing at a bald man>Ezekiel 23:20The bible talks about the size of a man's penis and the strength of his ejaculations, comparing them to animals, bestiality implications>Psalm 137:9Yahweh delights at little babies being slammed against rocks until they die>Ephesians 6:5Yahweh endorsing and encouraging slavery>Titus 2:9Epistle from Paul demanding slaves must obey their masters no matter what they ask them to do>1 Timothy 6:1Epistle from Paul stating slaves they must always respect their masters or else risk upsetting Yahweh>Numbers 31:18Yahweh endorses the slavery, kidnapping, and paedophilic rape of little girls, and the murder of their families>Job Yahweh allows Satan (the adversary - it is disputed as to whether thj is *the* Satan or simply some other powerful supernatural entity) - to torture Job physically and mentally for years and to murder his entire family, just to win a bet>Genesis The word Elohim, meaning Gods in the Hebrew, is used throughout, which the plural form of the word, indicating a pantheon of Gods and Yahweh as just one of many gods. This is literally the first verse of the bible and it already debunked monotheism if you care to read the original version.>Psalm 82In the original Hebrew refers to a divine council of deities, with Yahweh being just one of many real Gods. Just like Genesis this almost certainly pre-dates the era when Judaism adopted monotheism.I have never seen a Christian able to defend or explain any of these. They always rely on copes, whataboutism, straight up denial that the verses say what they say.If you can't defend the Bible then how can you follow it?
>>18408779Nah. Matthew 7:6
>>18408789You can't even try to defend your own Holy Text? The ultimate cope. I accept your concession.
>>18408779OP again, now let's talk about Vishnu My lord possesses all five elements of creation: air, fire, water, earth, and ether.And i will make another Christianity thread tomorrow ok?
>>18408803sure buddy, whatever you say.
>>18408811I curse Vishnu.Also Yahweh is not real.
>>18408827This is not me.I m the OP
>>18408811I knew you were Indian. (Thread ignored and sent to the trash.)
>>18408811Fuck you for trying to derail my thread
I laughed hard, Christianity is just one big gaslighting and self induced schizophrenia practice
>>18408779>I have never seen a Christian able to defend or explain any of these.Because it brings up quite a few huge flaws in the centuries of essentially plagiarized pagan Greek thought.These passages pose no issue if one were to admit that Yahweh is basically just a really, really powerful human, with powerful tools..
>>18408779>2 Kings 2:23-25You shouldn't insult a prophet of God, what do you want me to say?
Yahweh is Enlil. He hates the mortal man.
>>18408779>sends a bear to maul a group of childrenA mob of 42 people were telling him to go die. If you don't think there's anything wrong here then it just means you want injustice to happen.>size of a man's penisThe verse is explaining the depravity and perversion of a harlot.>babies being slammed against rocksGod doesn't do that, it's humans that do that. The name "Yahweh" is not used anywhere in the Bible by the way.>encouraging slaveryIt doesn't say that.>slaves must obey>must always respect their mastersYeah, obey them that have been given power above yours, but if the government commands the Christian to do something contrary to the expressed will of God as revealed in the Scriptures, then the rule is given by Peter in Acts 5:29. "We ought to obey God rather than men.", you will die for disobeying the evil rulers of this world, but that's how this world system works, since satan is in charge of it.>endorses the slavery, kidnapping, and rapeyoung girls were spared because they won't grow up into an army that takes revenge and starts killing them. Rape is punished by death (Deuteronomy 22:25-26), and there were strict rules on how to treat captives in the law, they weren't some slaves to be treated poorly. ( https://kjvcompare.com/ ) >allows Satan to torture JobYou can be like Job and complain about how unfair God is that He won't explain why He does what He does, but when the Lord shows up and questions you for a while (Job 38-41), you will agree with Job and say that God is correct and knows better (Job 42:3, 6). The word reveals the operation of Satan in the moral realm. Job discloses that this operation is the direct cause of disease, loss of property, war, and death (Heb. 2:14).>The word Elohimhttps://carm.org/does-the-word-elohim-prove-there-is-a-mother-god>council of deitieshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPQhBDrNvC8https://carm.org/psalm-826-the-mormons-and-the-jehovahs-witnesses-82-www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc
Jesus was a real man, son of God Born of the virgin Mary.He walked on waters, banished demons and defeated death, he was crucifies and after 3 days he walked the earth once more.There he rejoined with the Father in heaven thereby saving all of humanity
>>18408908OP been real quiet since anon dropped this banger
>>18408928>>18408908>Bible never says Yahweh btw Another American evangelical Protestant who thinks his KJV/NIV/ESV Bible is the perfect and unaltered word of God.Maybe you ought to check the original Hebrew.The name Yahweh (represented by the Hebrew Tetragrammaton YHWH, יהוה) appears approximately 6,800 to 7,000 times in the original Hebrew text of the Bible.
>>18408915You do know your god had his own sons to contend with. Job 38:7 " When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy." Referring to Job 38:4 when he laid the foundation of earth. Why would god want a mortal toy boy?
>>18408931When the Jews wrote His name in Hebrew Scriptures, they did not use vowel designations. They only used consonants. Therefore, the phrase “The name of God is YHWH” would appear as “th nm f gd s yhwh.” This wasn’t a problem with the Hebrews because they knew what the words were and how to pronounce them. It was not until many hundreds of years later that the Jews started to insert what was called ‘vowel points’ into the copied texts of the Hebrew Old Testament. We still don’t know exactly which vowel sounds are the correct ones.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLgshZe4T8whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TweirFT4-04&t=1212sAlso, the fact that the modern translations have many errors and contradictions, unlike the KJV which doesn't have a single one, already speaks for itself regarding the word of God. https://kjvcompare.com/
>>18408931KJV-onlyists are so silly to me. Like ah yes, this one shitty translation from 400 years ago is somehow better than the original text it’s translating from.
>>18408779The Elohim thing led to some hasty revisions over the centuries that make God sound about as schizo as God-Jesus:Example:Amos 4:10 *I* sent plagues on you as *I* did to Egypt. With swords *I* killed your best young men along with your captured horses. *I* made the stench from your camps fill your noses. And you still didn’t return to me, declares *Yahweh*.11 *I* destroyed some of you as *Elohim* destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. You were like a burning log snatched from a fire. And you still didn’t return to me, declares *Yahweh*.
>>18408963Or that whole string of chapters in Genesis where God is weirdly insistent on which Elohim he is, guess there were a ton of Elohim to choose from back then:26:24 That night Yahweh appeared to Isaac, and said, “I am the Elohim of your father Abraham.27:20 Isaac asked his son, “How did you find it so quickly, Son?” “Yahweh your Elohim brought it to me,” [Jacob] answered.28:13 “I am Yahweh, the Elohim of your grandfather Abraham and the Elohim of Isaac. [he said to Jacob]28:21 and if I [Jacob] return safely to my father’s home, then Yahweh will be my Elohim.33:20 He set up an altar there and named it "El Is the Elohim of Israel."35:1 "Then Elohim said to Jacob, “ I am the El who appeared to you when you were fleeing from your brother Esau.”35:11 "Elohim also said to [Jacob], “I am El Shadday"
>>18408950>We still don’t know exactly which vowel sounds are the correct ones.We do, because Greek speakers transcribed the name two millenia ago, and Samaritans have never stopped pronouncing the name openly.
>>18408950>There's no contradictions in the KJV Bible I knew people like this but it feels crazy I can interact with them on the internet.
>>18408996Oddly enough denying we know the name of God is a very recent addition to Evangelical Protestantism, borrowed directly from Judaism via the Evangelical love for hardcore Zionism.
>>18408779>2 Kings 2:23-25The boys weren't just making fun of a bald man, they were making fun of a prophet, a messenger of God. The teaching here is: there's punishment for those who deny the messengers of God and their authority. >Ezekiel 23:20He's talking about the grave moral sins of Israel.>Psalm 137:9There's a historical context: the writer witnessed babilonian babies getting smashed against rocks by conquerors. Spiritual context: another reading is to see the babies of Babylon as our own vices in their initial phase, "smashing them" against a rock (Christ) will make them go away.>2 Kings 2:23-25The boys weren't just making fun of a bald man, they were making fun of a prophet, a messenger of God. The teaching here is: there's punishment for those who deny the messengers of God and their authority. >Ezekiel 23:20He's talking about the grave moral sins of Israel.>Psalm 137:9There's a historical context: the writer witnessed babilonian babies getting smashed against rocks by conquerors. Spiritual context: another reading is to see the babies of Babylon as our own vices in their initial phase, "smashing them" against a rock (Christ) will make them go away.>1 Timothy 6:1 / Titus 2:9 / Ephesians 6:5Paul isn't endorsing slavery, he's speaking to a world where half the population were slaves and telling Christians to behave well within that reality. The theology already present (masters and slaves are brothers in Christ) is what eventually drove Christians to abolish it. >Numbers 31:18This is a holy war context. Midian had deliberately led Israel into idolatry. Keeping only virgin girls was about eliminating Midianite religious influence, not sexual exploitation. Brutal by modern standards but operating under an ancient Near Eastern war logic that the Gospel would later completely transform.
>>18409129>JobThe "bet" framing is a literary device, not a literal board meeting between God and Satan. The figure here is the adversary, a member of the divine council whose role is to test, not an autonomous evil being. The actual theological point is whether Job fears God for free, without expecting reward. The book never presents God as cruel. It wrestles honestly with why the just suffer and lands on the idea that suffering has a meaning beyond punishment, one that neither Job nor his friends fully grasp. That is the whole point of the book.>Genesis / ElohimElohim is grammatically plural in Hebrew but consistently takes singular verbs when referring to Israel's God. That is not polytheism, it is a well-documented Hebrew linguistic feature called a plural of majesty or intensity. The same texts that use Elohim also explicitly state "the Lord is God, ha-Elohim, there is no other" (Deuteronomy 4:35). The very first verse of Genesis uses Elohim with a singular verb, bara, which in Hebrew always has God as its subject and never anyone else. Christians also read the plural as an early hint at the Trinity, which the Fathers noted. Either way, calling it evidence for polytheism requires ignoring basic Hebrew grammar.>Psalm 82God isn't acknowledging other gods. The "gods" he addresses are Israel's own corrupt judges called elohim because God delegated authority to them. The psalm strips away their pretense: they'll die like everyone else. Jesus himself quotes this psalm in John 10:34-36 to defend his claim to be Son of God. If corrupt rulers can be called gods, how much more can the one God actually sent?
I made some mistakes copy-pasting since I wrote my replies on a text files. Oh well.
>>18409045We should lock all KJVO who believe in the magical unpronounceable tetragrammaton in a room together with the whole Sacred Name movement who insist on capitalizing/screaming YAHshua every second sentence or so, for he hilariousness.
>>18409129>>18409135Atheists have been really quiet since this dropped...
>still no reply I accept defeat. God bless your soul regardless.
>>18408908>babies being slammed against rocksGod doesn't do that, it's humans that do that. The name "Yahweh" is not used anywhere in the Bible by the way.>Psalm 135>Praise Yah!>Praise the name of Yahweh;>Praise Him, O slaves of Yahweh,>You who stand in the house of Yahwehhttps://biblehub.com/interlinear/psalms/135.htmYou are brown.
>>18408779>cherry picked and misinterpreted verses from the Bible threadNeat. I mean you could just research the context yourself >Yahweh endorses the slavery, kidnapping, and paedophilic rape of little girls, and the murder of their familiesIn this part of Numbers in specific was essentially the killing of a fallen people where only the young girls who were still chaste were considered pure and thus fine for concubines or wives and in this era the marriage of teenage girls was permitted. It should also be kept in context that not everything the Israelites did were considered 100% moral either but were essentially consequentialist deals made with God in the midst of a fallen world. The morality of the ancient Israelites was not completely without fault and that wasnt really their relationship with God either. Then for the one with the bear, its mostly considered a device to highlight that the punishment for blasphemy and mocking god is death and suffering due to your onw choices.
>>18409129>The boys weren't just making fun of a bald man, they were making fun of a prophet, a messenger of God. The teaching here is: there's punishment for those who deny the messengers of God and their authority.You cannot say Yahweh values free will if he punishes you for literally anything at all.
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>>18410066This quote has been a meme for 13 years, but nobody has ever actually proved the statement wrong.
>>18410065The punishment isn't God arbitrarily zapping you for disobedience. Free will means your choices have real consequences. Rejecting God is choosing to orient yourself away from the source of all good. Hell isn't God throwing you in a pit, it's the natural end of a life spent choosing against Him. The bears in 2 Kings are a dramatic illustration of that principle within a specific historical context, not a template for how God operates. Free will is precisely why consequences exist: your choices are real and they matter. You choose your own "punishment".
>>18410023You have hundreds of "Bibles" that all say something different and contradict themselves. There is only 1 Bible that does not contradict itself and has no errors. The King James Bible. Yes, if you go trough all of the different "Bibles" you will find one that says what you want it to say, but that doesn't mean it's the truth.https://kjvcompare.com/https://truthischrist.com/seven/https://truthischrist.com/elton-anomaly-823543/https://truthischrist.com/70x7-kjb-code-jesus-is-the-son-of-god/www.youtube.com/shorts/qzHWrQ2DHhQwww.youtube.com/watch?v=PCsPy4CY6hIwww.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ919YomJjMwww.youtube.com/watch?v=pcvFX5uIRb4www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS78mFJcvhQHere's a couple examples:2 Samuel 21:19KJB"And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaare–oregim, a Beth–lehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam."NASB"And there was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam."Goliath was beheaded by David over 30 chapters ago in 1 Samuel 17:51. While the underlying Hebrew also says “Goliath”, the correct reading “brother of Goliath” is confirmed by the parallel passage in 1 Chronicles 20:5.Genesis 27:39In the KJB, Isaac blessed Esau. But in modern translations, he curses him, contradicting the Holy Ghost in Hebrews 11:20, which reads: By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.Hebrews 3:16Modern Bibles suggest all Israel provoked the Lord and were not able to enter the promised land. However, Joshua and Caleb did not provoke the Lord (Numbers 14:22-24), nor did others, according to the KJB, such as Eleazar the priest, who also entered the promised land (Numbers 3:32, Joshua 21:1).etc.
>>18410117Yeah God spoke only once and it was in 1600s and only in English. >the only Bible without contradictionsHow can you say that without the proper way of interpreting the text? Why do you believe to be superior at understanding the Bible than the Church Fathers? Where does this hubris come from? I truly hope you will repent someday, because you made an idol out of a Bible translation.
>>18408779>Even children are judged by actions verse>parabole parallel to to throw beside don't fill in blanks just cuz boomers do, >is he happy or not? Shadow realmed to sadness or shadow realmed to happiness?>people get in debt>no filling in the blanks. He said keep alive for yourselves maybe it's for something else. They were counting virgins in the end too scroll up>doesn't say that's the reason. Yeah. Why is Satan in church having a voice and Job is not? God's sons present themselves and stuff happens>God means he's God so if it's not God than it's not God, same with how Son of Man for Jesus is that image and not goy weirdness. Other gods are goyim weirdness and that's what makes them weirdez work. git gud and drop the influence boomer salesmanship Hegelguessing. Get better company cuz I couldn't even sound like a normgroid, normgoy.
>>18410177>protestant arbitrary interpretationInto the trash it goes.
>>18410163Isaiah 29:11-14: "And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned. Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid."You're not supposed to decide what the Bible says. You just read it and believe it. The Bible interprets itself by telling you what the words mean. God has given us a book without error, inconsistency or contradiction. God is perfect, therefore His word (The Bible) that He promised to preserve (Psalms 12:6-7) has to also be perfect as well, otherwise it is not the pure word of God. If you go read a "Bible" translated from a text corrupted by gnostics, delivered from egypt, and insist that it's the "word of God" despite having clear contradictions in it, I wonder who really needs to repent. God knows how to tell people what He wants them to know without using a dead language no one alive knows how to speak. The original manuscripts aren't even available anymore, you only have copies of corrupted ones left.
>>18408779Not gonna explain all since some here have already done so pretty well except for the smashing babies part which Isaiah 9:13-17 explains why God allows it.
>>18409135>The psalm strips away their pretense: they'll die like everyone elseSo Jesus isn't God? He died like everyone else.>but he came backSo did Lazarus and so we will we, allegedly.
>>18411165That Lazarus comparison doesn't work. Lazarus was raised by someone else and died again later. Jesus said "I have the power to lay my life down and take it up again" (John 10:18) and stayed dead for exactly as long as he wanted to. That's not dying like everyone else, that's the whole point.
>>18408803You're not sincere
>>18408779What is the justification for pic rel?
>>18412380Moses broke the Abrahamic covenant by not circumcising his kid, which was a big deal since he was literally chosen to lead God's people. The blood of the circumcision saving him also prefigures the Passover blood saving Israel's firstborns later. It's theologically dense, not God randomly trying to murder his own guy.
>>18408950https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1681719103071846400QRD:>For over 14 centuries, every Christian believed that God's revealed name to Moses was "I am". In the middle ages, "Jehovah" was invented as a speculative translation of YHWH, a stark departure from treating it like the real word that it is, rather than a magic incantation.>In 1833, a German linguist & theologian named Wilhelm Gesenius joined this more modern trend of speculating on those sounds. In a later edition of his Hebrew & Latin Manual Lexicon, he (admittedly) theorized that "Yahweh" was perhaps the original pronunciation.
>>18410100How is a child supposed to tell the difference between a profit dropping new canon information and a heretic contradicting scripture? The bears?
>>18412814Who is your basis for judging God? Just wondering.
>>18412814Israel already had a system for this. Prophets were verified through fulfilled prophecy and continuity with prior revelation, and Elisha wasn't some random guy, he was the publicly recognized successor of Elijah. These kids were from Bethel, the main idolatry center of the northern kingdom. They knew who he was and weren't confused at all. Also we already established this isn't meant to be read as a literal instruction manual. The whole point of the passage is typological, not "here's how to identify prophets, step 1: wait for bears."
system of morality created by slaves where obedience is most important thing
>>18412720Scholars are always wrong about everything, so the fact that they think "Yahweh" is "perhaps the original pronunciation" means it's definitely wrong.
>>18412843What is your basis for believing any of this actually happened and the Bible isn’t ahistorical? Just wondering?
>>18408779Number 31:18 is a command from Moses he gave out of anger, against God's commands on rape. Besides, there is no objective morality without transcendent, metaphysical being.
