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Historically, Islam is probably the religion that has treated black people the worse. All of its egalitarian verses are ultimately meaningless when you look at how mistreated we were by Muslims throughout history. If I wanted
"pure" monotheism, why wouldn't I just stick with Judaism?
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>>18410340
>black
>jew
nobody tell him about Deuteronomy 23:2
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>>18410342
Psalm 68:31
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>>18410347
Yes, they do want your worship, but you will never be one of them.
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>>18410340
Islam treated blacks badly? Sure you don't mean Arabs? I don't see anything in Quran that even remotely mentions races.
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>>18410340
Im black & i embraced islam a bit over a year ago. How exactly do you view blacks as being mistreated by Muslims? Chattel slavery as we know it didn’t really exist in the Islamic world, and most slaves ended up being set free after a time period of about a decade. Im not gonna pretend like there weren’t Arab incursions into Africa that killed people, but it was never justified on the basis of race. And you can definitely find Muslims throughout history who had an unfavorable view on blacks, but that doesn’t mean that Islam as a religion has anything against blackness. The story of Bilal, the first migration to Abyssinia, the prophet’s final sermon, etc, these all painted a real inviting picture for me personally as a black Muslim. I’d recommend reading Misquoting Muhammad & Slavery in Islam by Dr Jonathan AC Brown.
>why not become a Jew
lol, lmao even. Complaining about “racism” in Islam and then seeking out the religion that is solely based on race as a prerequisite
>inb4 black Hebrew Israelite
You know Im actually not totally opposed to the idea that the original Jews could’ve been of a darker complexion but besides the wewuz factor going on there, Islam objectively has a much more clear cut monotheism. We haven’t really lost much of anything over the years, especially when compared with Judaism.
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>>18410340
>what’s in it for da niggaz?

I dunno bro, why even bother with a religion and just narcissistically worship blacks directly?
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>>18410340
>Historically, Islam is probably the religion that has treated black people the worse.
False.

>If I wanted "pure" monotheism, why wouldn't I just stick with Judaism?
Do whatever you want.

Just don't claim Black Muslim history like most of you Islamophobes like to do.
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>>18410481
Yeah, what does your race have to do with what religion is correct? Use your brain, not your skin color to decide what faith (or none) to follow.
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>>18410477
Subhanallah Bilal was even tortured to renounce the faith and fall into idolatry and polytheism. Yet he could never do it, how many of us can even compare to his righteousness? No wonder he is amongst the people of paradise https://www.abuaminaelias.com/dailyhadithonline/2019/08/03/how-bilal-got-into-jannah/
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>>18410340
>In the Book of Genesis, the curse of Ham is described as a curse which was imposed upon Ham's son Canaan by the patriarch Noah.
>In later centuries, the narrative was interpreted by some Jews, Christians and Muslims as an explanation for black skin, as well as a justification for enslavement of black people.[7][8]
>The concepts were introduced into Islam during the Arab expansion of the 7th century, due to the cross-pollination of Jewish and Christian parables and theology into Islam, called "Isra'iliyyat".[56] It is with the Islamic writers of this time that the dual curse of blackness and slavery first appears, and from this point on it becomes common in both Christian and Muslim sources.[55] Some medieval Muslim writers – including Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari, Ibn Khaldun, and even the later Book of the Zanj – asserted the view that old biblical texts describe the effects of Noah's curse on Ham's descendants as being related with blackness, slavery, and a requirement not to let the hair grow past the ears.[57][58] The account of the drunkenness of Noah and curse of Ham is not present within the text of the Quran, the Islamic holy book,[59] as it is not consistent with Islamic teachings, since Noah is a prophet, and prophets do not drink alcohol.[60] Islam holds prophets of God in very high esteem, and some Muslims suggest the prophets are infallible.[61]
The Blacks who were enslaved in the Arab slave trade were mainly Niger-Congo and Nilo-Saharan and the people who enslaved them were Niger-Congo and Nilo-Saharan no Arabs or Berbers went into the interior to capture the slaves. In Islam no Black muslim wether they are descendant of slaves or descendant of the slavers accuse Islam and the Arabs of enslaving Blacks because slavery is allowed by Allah so instead they defend the islamic slavery and along with their Black christian counterparts put the blame on Europeans and christianity like Ghana recently did.
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>>18410563
The hadith is talking about souls and our innate disposition not race like here https://www.alim.org/quran/tafsir/ibn-kathir/surah/7/172/ Islam makes it explicit that physical appearance does not matter.
>put the blame on Christianity
You just posted a text that says this racism came from the bible and isra'iliyyat, it also says that it is not consistent with Islamic teachings... lol what? Also look at your filename you absolute moron you're just looking for justification for your racism. As for the curse of Ham that itself is bullshit misinterpretation because Ham in the bible is not cursed himself
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>>18410340
No reasons, because God doesn't exist, dude.
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>>18410577
>The hadith is about souls
Dancing boy show me where soul is written I don't need your interpretation
>The curse of Ham is from the Bible
Yet you pedofag islamists used it to enslaved niggers and that's how the Europeans in 1500AD used it too.
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>>18410587
Where it calls them like "ants", this isn't my interpretation. Early Muslims believed that when the souls were brought forth they were given forms like atoms/ants and that the spirit was either glowing with light or dark. The same idea happens in the hadith just before the one you posted which has the same grading https://sunnah.com/mishkat:118
>every soul of his offspring He was to create up to the day of resurrection
Notice how it mentions they were SOULS, and David's was one of the ones with bright light. Anyway I already showed you that body and face don't matter in Islam and just before your post a black man made it to paradise according to the most authentic collections. Your insane racism does not belong in Islam.
>b-but some muslims listened to christians butchering their own scriptures
Don't care, Canaan was cursed not Ham. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%209%3A25-27&version=NIV
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>>18410543
There is nothing wrong with polytheism, he was a retard for opposing it.
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>>18410340
Black people like to "get back at whitey" by converting to Islam, a faith that's hostile to the typical white man's faith.

They don't know that the early Muslims enslaved the sub-Saharan Africans as well and they treated them even worse than white people did. That extremely rich African leader that liberal professors like to glorify, Mansa Musa, made most of his living from selling African slaves to the middle east. The ones who weren't sold were worked to death in his gold mines.

Also, many of the Sub-Saharan Africans were **fully castrated** and by that I mean their masters clipped off all of their male parts. Dick and balls full removed. This is why the middle east is not utterly polluted with nigs in the same way that Western nations are.

tl;dr Black guys don't realize the Middle East Muslims historically treated them much worse than the white devil.
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>>18410784
>the world is wrong about whitey we are totally the good guys!
lol you sure dindu nuffin
>most of his living
"This king is the richest and noblest of all these lands due to the abundance of gold that is extracted from his lands.[1]"
>castration
against Islam https://sunnah.com/nasai:4736
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>>18410340
Not a fat lot.
The standard Arabic word for "Black Person" actually more literally translates to "Slave" - the word is "Abeed", from "Abd" which is also a component in the name "Abdullah" which is "Slave of God", the other word "Zanj" has similar connotations.
Islam claims universalism like Christianity, but it is to put it simply, a morally inferior system.

Frankly, Christianity is universalist, and out of all the Abrahamic religions makes the most sense for a "Goy" of any sort; Judaism is basically a closed pool; some denominations might accept your "conversion" but that usually requires you to marry into the religion, on top of studying a whole lot, and not only will they still not consider you a "real" Jew, but any status you have in that community will probably not be recognized by other Jewish communities, because it is an ETHNOreligion.

If you really want to find the religion "for you" then take a DNA test, and look into the traditional practices of whatever place most of your DNA comes from.

- t. Anglo-Saxon Heathen
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The first first Muslim revert was a literal black Ethiopian man

Judeochristianity is a white and jewish supremacist death cult who today says Blacks are souless subhumans
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>>18410937
Judeochristianity is a racist faith

Islam is the only universalist religion
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>>18410944
Judge the tree by it's fruit.
Your people make a wasteland wherever you go.
You are doers of murder and takers of slaves.
And the liars of all liars.
You are ritually filthy.
Your entire religion is Najis.
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>>18410937
The standard word for black (color and race) is Aswad, that's just a slur. By that logic you should call the bible racist against blacks because it actually has the n word https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%2013:1&version=KJV
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>>18410949
I have never heard a Muslim call a black "Aswad" only ever "Zanj" or "Abeed", and don't tell me I don't meet plenty of Muslims; I live in the West Midlands.

These filthy people have brought slavery back into my country, and they sell heroin and pimp out children.

Muslims, and their simps, really should just be hanged without ceremony, and their bodies burnt on a dung fire.
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>>18410947
>Your people make a wasteland wherever you go.
Judeochristians are the ones doing that and your hateful racist speech is exactly the same as judeochristian white westerners say about blacks
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>>18410955
>anecdotal evidence
lmao, okay buddy then all white people refer to black people using the n word. Don't believe me? Take a look at this website
>>18410957
They literally turn nations into murder and rape central. You won't ever convince him with actual data though. He's set in his ways that his people are superior
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>>18410340
You're a double nignog for not only being black but for also going to for the abrahamic desert cults like a good goy.
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>>18410477
Set free without their cock and balls
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>>18411037
Castration was haram & if slavers were caught doing it they would be persecuted. A lot of the castrated slaves were purchased from Europeans & other peoples.
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>>18410739
>That while he was with a delegation from Quraish to Muawiya, the latter heard the news that `Abdullah bin `Amr bin Al-`As said that there would be a king from the tribe of Qahtan. On that Muawiya became angry, got up and then praised Allah as He deserved, and said, "Now then, I have heard that some men amongst you narrate things which are neither in the Holy Book, nor have been told by Allah's Messenger (ﷺ). Those men are the ignorant amongst you. Beware of such hopes as make the people go astray, for I heard Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) saying, 'Authority of ruling will remain with Quraish, and whoever bears hostility to them, Allah will destroy him as long as they abide by the laws of the religion.' " Sahih al-Bukhari 3500
Dancing boy MY hadith doesn't have the word soul and its grading is as good as yours I don't need to accept your version if you know your cult with its many sects that's how they operate so I suggest you get familiar with it before believing you have a case here. As for your Sharia death cult being racist to Blacks it's well known and only Muslims and their islamleftist apologetics lie about it, Islam is not only racist to Blacks it's racist to anyone who's not an Arab or Ajam even among the Arabs they discriminate against to non Quraish arabs, so Islam is a Quraish supremacist cult but since the islamist pedofags don't follow their Sharia death cult because they know it's bullshit and Allah himself is a beardless dancing boy they assassinated the Quraish caliphs and been fighting for the rulership of the Caliphate ever since between Shia & Sunni and will continue until the end times when their fake Jesus Madhi comes back.
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>>18410856
>The United Nations General Assembly has officially recognized the transatlantic slave trade as "the gravest crime against humanity." This significant resolution was adopted with 123 votes in favor, while three countries—the United States, Israel, and Argentina—voted against it. Additionally, 52 countries abstained from the vote, including the United Kingdom and several EU member states.
Niggers and Sandniggers aren't fooling anyone.
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>>18411143
>castrato choir boy knows he has no argument so he tries to run to another topic
ahahahah, it's the hadith just before in the very same collection you used. Not my fault you are too dumb to understand context. Now tell me is David and Jesus from the Quraish? No? Well are they Arabs? Still No? Wait a minute does that mean that the vast majority of prophets the Quran talks about have nothing to do with Arabia? Yep and 2:62 amongst others makes it clear even their followers are saved. Now tell me where the Ottomans you love talking about so much Quraish too?
>thinks the Mahdi is Jesus
lmao clueless
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>>18410477
>Chattel slavery as we know it didn’t really exist in the Islamic world, and most slaves ended up being set free after a time period of about a decade.
Nonsense with no historical sources backing it outside recent muslim "historians", trying to justify it in an age of general anti-slavery consensus
Muslims were hardcore slavers and often not even conversion could be used as a scapegoat to be freed (see mamluks). White europeans slaves were usually used as domestic servants, and the female often as concubines; blacks were usually used for hard work on the field; eastern european and central Asians as slave soldiers
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>>18410942
>Ethiopian
>Black
Enough with this meme. Ethiopians are NOT sub-saharian negroids. They are just the darkest semites
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>>18411174
>only whitey doesn't think he did anything wrong
The world has spoken. You did the greatest act of evil and you are ashamed
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>>18411047
>Castration was haram
For muslims. Non-muslim slaves were free reign. Pretty much all the major islamic power up to pre-reform Ottomans used them in their courts
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>>18411192
>That is why We ordained for the Children of Israel that whoever takes a life—unless as a punishment for murder or mischief in the land—it will be as if they killed all of humanity; and whoever saves a life, it will be as if they saved all of humanity.1 ˹Although˺ Our messengers already came to them with clear proofs, many of them still transgressed afterwards through the land. Al-Ma'idah - verse 32
Islamist pedofag killer the day you pay for ALL the souls you tortured to death is the day the Europeans will pay for theirs. Until then you can keep crying about your Islamophobia racism victimhood.
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>>18411193
No, it was haram for a Muslim to castrate anyone, it’s haram to brand an animal on the face let alone mutilate a human. The eunuchs in ottoman courts were purchased from Europeans or other peoples, although there were definitely Muslim slavers who performed the deed themselves, such an act was never permissible under sharia & any Muslims who performed such an act would’ve had to do it underground.
>>18411185
According to the sharia, a slave had to be freed if they were Muslim & requested such. Even still, slavery in the Islamic world & European chattel slavery were worlds apart. A Muslim slave master couldn’t beat his slave for no reason, and had to treat them with dignity as a human being. There were rules in place for how one could beat their slave, usually resulting in something akin to a father striking a child with a belt. Not to mention the way Islam incentivizes the freeing of slaves, in a way which there is no equivalent in European chattel slavery. Also, there wasn’t the stigma that followed you for all your life after being a slave like we have in the west (a free black was still black & on that basis was ranked lower in society)
In the mamluk system you mentioned, the slaves often lived much more dignified and high class lives than the common folks, and would prefer to be classified as “slaves” on paper to keep up this high standard of living.
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>>18411232
Yes that's a perfectly just verse. Our wrongs will be counted against us, we are not delusional nor are we making excuses. But even with that the world has decided, you are responsible for the "the gravest crime against humanity" there's no changing it. The brutality of White JudeoChristianity will never be forgotten. Not only have you abused black people like no other group in history but now you also want them to starve after extracting all of their wealth from their lands and forcing them to fend for themselves in the aftermath
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>>18411299
giving unlimited free food to the dark hell-spawned demons will only destroy the earth as their numbers multiply beyond count and they spill forth from hell to devour and bring everything in their path to ruin
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>>18411283
>No, it was haram for a Muslim to castrate anyone,
It seems your own Caliphs didnt agree: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Eunuchs_in_the_Abbasid_Caliphate

>In the mamluk system you mentioned, the slaves often lived much more dignified and high class lives than the common folks, and would prefer to be classified as “slaves” on paper to keep up this high standard of living.
Yes, because everywhere in the world house slaves had a much comfier Life than any other slaves, or even most commoners. But that's have nothing to do with Islam the slavery religion
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>>18412142
>the slavery religion
You spelled judeochristianity wrong
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>go to Nigeria today.
>nicest, most educated, less savage areas are Christian
>shittiest, most savage and violent areas are Muslim

“That’s just because Christian’s give more aid!”

Well, that also reveals something, doesn’t it?
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>>18412203
>give more aid
Baby formula experiment empirically proven judeochristian are cruel subhumans who would let a baby starve to death while Muslims would do everything to save them
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>>18412205
>indian chimping out about slavery while his cousins are being used as slaves *today* in Qatar.

Can’t make this shit up.
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>>18412203
>Christian’s give more aid
you forgot an s
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If I run over a jeet slave TODAY in UAE in my Mercedes, how much blood money do I have to pay his family? $5,000? Lmao.
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>>18412201
>judeochristianity
Nobody aside kikes and their evangelical slaves use that word unironically

>>18412203
No bruh you dont understand Islam was very advanced and pacific. It was european colonialism that corrupted it (please ignore the fact christian nigerian were colonized too. Its totally not the same trust me bruh)
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>>18412388
This has more to do with tropical vs desertic Africa
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>>18410449
Same argument as Communists who say it works in theory. He's talking about Islam in practice.
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>>18412201
You told your boss at the Muslim Skeptic you're a Quranist yet?



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