I'm having doubts about nazis actually considering the Russian people as subhuman.Imagine listening to Shostakovich, reading Alekhin's chess books, reading Tolstoy, attending an amazing divine liturgy in the morning and going to see a Prokofiev ballet with your daughters in the evening, looking at all of this and going"Umm yep this people are worse than Africans or Gypsies". Doesn't make sense.And the guy in the Subhuman magazine is a Jew - Tatar, not a Slav if you actually open the magazine.
Tolstoy was a far left anarcho-communist, why do chuds pretend to read him or like him?
>>18411322Chuds read WAP and Anna, late Tolstoy is what you describe. Still his work is a remarkable human feat.
>>18411309Dehumanize the enemy so it's easier to convince your population to go to war with them.Whether or not there's reason to actually consider them subhuman or not is irrelevant, it was never a consideration.
>>18411309It was more like they believed 95% of the Russian population were Asiatic orcs and 5% were Aryans
>>18411309>Imagine listening to Shostakovich, reading Alekhin's chess books, reading Tolstoy, attending an amazing divine liturgy in the morning and going to see a Prokofiev ballet with your daughters in the evening, looking at all of this and goingRussians themselves did not give a shit about it they just use it to blackmail westies into support why should Germans care
The Romanov Empire had significant Finnish, German, and Baltic admixture
>>18411337They literally got taught Güntherian race science in schools and Russians were shown as mostly Baltic with Nordic and other strains.
>>18411393>Güntherian race science
>>18411403?It was part of the Nazi school curriculum.
>>18411393Gunther's schizobabble was slop they used to feed the masses
>>18411477Yeah, they taught this shit in school. So how can Finns be Aryans and Russians subhumans when according to their own stupid nazi curriculum they consisted of similar races.
>>18411484This map shows Poles as Nordic and Bavarians as non-Nordic. It's obviously not what the Nazis actually believed.They may have sponsored 'race scientists' like Gunther but in the long term this kind of worldview would have to be scrapped too
>>18411487Poles are in the Batlic Sea while Bavarians are in the Mediterranean Sea so it's quite obvious that they belong to a different race! Europe's diversity is the same as North Africans when compared to sub-Saharan niggers
>>18411487Maybe it's not the correct map, Robert Ley's organizational book includes one that was probably used in schools.I mean they literally indoctrinated the youth with this crap.
>>18411393East Baltic was considered an inferior, asiatic, and undesirable race in Günther's framework, and that's what the Nazis believed. When they went into Eastern Europe and they were trying to figure out who was worthy of being Germanized, it was based on how phenotypically Nordic you were. There are SS documents that explicitly state the Ostfront is a racial war of the Nordic race against the asiatic East Baltic race.
>>18411309Only the Czechs and Poles were in harm's way before '39. After '39, the Slovenes were also to be annexed and assimilated. Otherwise, if you're a gentile bitching about Hitler, you're retarded.
>>18411557This is contradicted by the fact that some Germans were also East Baltic, this table of the 6 Aryan races also has one that is East Baltic:>>18411498I mean I don't know, the nazi race crap is all over the place. They probably didn't buy it themselves.
>>18411566>This is contradicted by the fact that some Germans were also East Baltic,And they saw this as undesirable, because Germany was an institutionally nordicist state and they did not think all the "races" which made up Germany were somehow equal. If you read the Hitler youth manual and the BDM curriculum, excerpts of Günther's race theory was a big part of it. It was part of the teaching to German children that that the Nordic race was superior and East Baltics were an inferior breed based on their skull shape. Hitler in the Table Talks says that he's impressed with the number of Nordic children being born in Bavaria because of the SS, and that he remembers when the children there used to be racially inferior and had less Nordic blood. There's tons and tons of private conversations from the leadership of the regime about Nordic supremacy.>They probably didn't buy it themselves.They absolutely did believe it and they widely put nordicist theories into practice. You had to be Nordic to get into the Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler of the SS, for example.
>>18411309The Nazis, and their Balkan/Slavic allies, hated and feared the Soviets more than they hated and feared each other. The Germans are the only ones who bothered trying to justify it with race science, but it was not very doctrinal and only became less important as man power requirements rose.
doesnt matter what they thoughtthey wanted to remove them from the european parts to make it german
The white race died in Stalingrad
>>18411576Dietrich, after whose name the lockpick sign of the Leibstandarte was taken from, is a Dinarid + Med.Hitler also banned the extreme nordicist publication for fear of German infighting IIRC
>>18411335This.Also, their ideology _needed_ Jewish subversion (which was nonsense as the Jews had, if anything, destroyed the Russian Empire during WW1 and let the Germans concentrate their whole army on the Western front) to explain their failure while maintaining the propaganda about superiority of their "race". If it wasn't for this scapegoat they would have simply had lost the war due to their own weakness; how you'd go to the "inherent superiority" from this - it crumbles before it even starts.
>>18411487That is the actual map. You can find it on Hitler Youth Handbook (English translation called Nazi primer) You're just a brainwashed retard who thinks the Nazis thought Germans were the master race and that they wanted to murder all non blonde blue eyed people and that Slavs were literally non-human animals etc.
>>18411897The same book says the Nordic Germanic race is the most superior and responsible everything good in Germany and that the East Baltic race is racially inferior and stupid. They were teaching a racial hierarchy even within and among Germans to children based on the nordicist books of Gunther.
>>18411560Alsace–Lorraine was supposed to be depopulated per Generalplan Ost as well.And if you think that they would have stopped at this in the future then you are an utter imbecile as it was all hogwash purposely made for current political situation.
>>18411907>We are a master race, which must remember that the lowliest German worker is racially and biologically a thousand times more valuable than the population here.Erich Koch>In our ranks, we live according to our Germanic laws, one of which, a really beautiful one, says, 'Honour is compulsion enough.' With foreign peoples, we must apply Asiatic laws. We must never lose sight of that. If we have one of our blood before us, a Norwegian or Dutchman of good racial stock, then we can only win his heart over to us, according to our, that means his and our, totally Germanic laws. With a Russian or Slav, from a racial point of view, we should never even try to apply our holy laws to them, but rather the tried and tested laws of the Russian commissar.>Whether nations live in prosperity or starve to death interests me only so far as we need them as slaves for our culture; otherwise, it is of no interest to me. Whether 10,000 Russian females fall down from exhaustion while digging an antitank ditch interests me only insofar as the anti-tank ditch for Germany is finished.Himmler>In Prague, big red posters were put up on which one could read that seven Czechs had been shot today. I said to myself, 'If I had to put up a poster for every seven Poles shot, the forests of Poland would not be sufficient to manufacture the paper."Hans Frank>Those who were in Poland know that the Polish people, seen as a whole, is a bastard people, a mixed race people.Julius Streicher's victory speech over Poland>Bolshevism is a master at exploiting the Slavic national soul. Only in Russia was this dreadful experiment possible. It required the primitive and bestial dullness of the peoples forming the Soviet Union, as well as their limited social and economic expectations.Goebbels>Back then [ancient Sparta vs the Persians], too, it was an onslaught from the Asiatic East that battled here against Nordic people.Gorering's address to the SS at Stalingrad
>>18411897Maybe Hitler Youth handbooks don't best reflect the views of the high ranking NS officials?It's blatantly obvious if you read any of his speeches or writings that Hitler viewed Bavarians as Germanic and not Poles. The idea the NS would have placed Poles over Bavarians is pure nonsense.
>>18411923Like the first entry in Table Talk is Hitler praising Italians as Aryan workers and contrasting them with the slovenly Russian masses.American racists who simp for Slavs and hate Italians have basically the inverted view as Nazis
Actual German territorial ambitions pre-war
>>18411936Hitler wasn't a slavophile. He also wasn't opposed to working with Slavs to achieve mutual aims. Only Czechs, Poles and Slovenes were a target for significant territorial expropriation pre-war. The Poles were only slated to lose land that had been German prior to WW1. There is no reason to assume Generalplanost would have been considered realistic in the event of German victory in the war. At the same time they were promising collaborationist governments to almost everybody (see Ukraine)
>>18411309They claimed that the Russian elites were always secretly Germanic and attribute those achivements to them.Also, Nazi race science was arbitrary and inconsistent. It was more of a political tool then a rigorous belief system. The Nazis all but admitted that the rules are made up and different people had different ideas. Some believed in magical explanations outlined in the blood and soil Volkisch movement that preceded them. Hitler personally didn't really care that much, he just wanted to be dictator and make a big blob on the map.
>>18411960Not really, this map was published by a pro-Anschluss Austrian organization before the war, not by the Nazi government.
well picrel doesnt represent ost-baltic race for sure. russia/ussr was just a slavo-mongol hybrid and thats the fact today in modern russia they have chechens, tatars, mongols living in the same country so how you think how many russians are pure aryans that have pure corded ware genes without other admixtures?
>>18412002It's almost like Slavs, Chechens, Mongols, and Tartars are all distinct ethnicities coming from Russia's very large interior.
>>18411960>>18411978>actual German territorial ambitions>pro-Anschluss Austrian Austrian organization Don't see any contradiction here. The vast majority of Austrians before WWII thought of themselves as Germans
>>18411309>Nazis looked at this and said "Das untermensch mussen exterminate >:("I'm happy Hitler lost
>>18411309The average Slav was an eastern barbarian that’s illiterate and looks like an actual Orc,
>>18411354This. The average Russian is a warlike idiotic mongrel that is addicted to gambling, CSGO, Gore videos, and beating women.
>>18411970>Also, Nazi race science was arbitrary and inconsistent. It was more of a political tool then a rigorous belief system.This
>>18411923>Maybe Hitler Youth handbooks don't best reflect the views of the high ranking NS officials?But why train the next generation according to a different ideological framework.
>>18411970>Also, Nazi race science was arbitrary and inconsistent. It was more of a political tool then a rigorous belief system.This becomes increasingly apparent when you realize how many Jews (their supposed mortal enemies) were high ranking members or assets for the Reich and that the term "Honorary Aryan" was invented by the Reich as a means to skirt their own racial policy. The best way to describe Germany's racial policy is that it was largely political theater
>>18411309they are subhumans because russians are misanthropic, vengeful, hateful people. I understood this when I tried to read Dostoyevsky and only encountered despair and resentfulnessl. To think a serial cheater and gambler could call himself a Christian. Revolting. Africans when not trying to imitate white people and living alone in their little rural villages have a quiet dignity. Saw a documentary once where a guy was about to cut up a goat for dinner and he asked if the camerman wanted to show that on video because it was obviously quite gory. Most East Asians don't have that degree of consideration-- they will just put a dog on a spit or cut up some frog or vile creature and chew its guts out right in front of you.
>>18412157It wasn't. There were a couple part Jewish military officers, that's about it.
>>18411962Then why is it as soon as they took over Western Poland, they started mass deporting people from areas that had never been ethnic German (Aktion Zamosc) and resettling them with Germans to try and make them into a new "Gau" of the Reich known as Wargethau, confiscating all Poles' property that couldn't fit into a suitcase, banning all higher education for Slavs to keep them dumb and uneducated, racially sorting people based on skull measurements, banned Slavs from using public transit, made having sex with a German get the death penalty, marching Poles into the General Government, a racially segregated slave state for Poles where they had no rights, and conducting mass extrajudicial killings of the Polish intelligentsia (Intelligenzaktion Pommern and Sonderaktion Krakau)? This lines up exactly with Generalplan (Planungsgrundlagen für den Aufbau der Ostgebiete), which was an ethnic cleansing and German settlement plan just for Western Poland, a sort of prototype of Generalplan Ost. The Planungsgrundlagen documents were not lost, and they line up with exactly what the Germans wanted to do, which was ethnically cleanse Eastern Europe and enslave, expel, and kill Eastern Slavs while building German settlements for people of "Nordic blood".
>>18412649>areas that had never been ethnic GermanSee pic>made having sex with a German get the death penaltyFalse. Nuremberg Laws were only for Jews.>marching Poles into the General Government, a racially segregated slave state for PolesPic related, also it wouldn't have been a slave state if the Germans had won, it would have eventually been a proper country
>>18412649https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderaktion_KrakauThe Polish elite were mostly sent to camps. This is not very nice, but it's not summary execution and it's easy to understand the reasons. It is the same reason why the Americans and British put Germans and Japanese in camps during the war. You do not want a fifth column when you're fighting a war. That's how you get stabbed in the back. I think many of them probably were killed and we can talk forever about the inherent brutalities that happen in war. The Soviets didn't even bother with internment camps, they just shot every single anti-communist Pole on sight and dumped them in a pit.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacreYugoslavs did the same to ethnic Italians in Dalmatia and Istriahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foibe_massacres
>>18412685It still wasn't ethnically German. Most areas were Polish and only under German administration. Poznan/Posen was the most Germanized part, and was about half Polish and half German. The city of Zamosc was not German but was being ethnically cleansed. In Aktion Zamosc, Himmler wanted to Germanize the Lublin area. Lublin never was a part of any German Empire and had no history of ethnic German settlement. Hundreds of thousands of Poles were expelled and their property confiscated to make way for Germen settlement. You're just lying to try and whitewash the Nazis.>also it wouldn't have been a slave state if the Germans had won, it would have eventually been a proper countryNo. Hans Frank, who administered the GG as its Gauleiter, said himself that the plan was genociding them and making them eventually disappear even from there and eventually settle that area with Germans as well. You're just making up a headcanon. History and Nazis in their own words directly contradict you.>The Government General, as we know and have developed it, will be essentially richer and happier. It will experience more support and, above all, will be cleared of Jews [entjudet]. What’s more, it will lose the characteristic look of a lifestyle which is still predominantly Polish, because along with the Jews, Poles will also leave this territory. The Führer has decided to make this area into a purely German land.
>>18411936Hitler, and probably most of the party, and most people today too, probably including most on this board, did consider Slavs inferior to Western Europeans, and in particular obviously inferior to Germanic Europeans. That much is true. That is not the same thing as considering them literal subhuman animals fit only for the slaughterhouse. Churchill, and many British officials, called Germans "huns" on several occasions. That does not mean he considered Germans to be asiatics.>>18411936Or, hear me out...>>18411903It is implicit that the Nordic (and Phallic) races are the best. But it's not outright stated. In the book itself they estimate Germany to be of 55% Nordic and Phallic blood, about 8% Eastern-Baltic, 2% Med, like 15% "Western" and 20% Dinaric. Those numbers are off the top of my head.
>>18412787>phallic races...
>>18412790Forgive the extra l
>>18411309I kind of look like the guy on the cover of this magazine. I’m mostly Russian with a Ukrainian grandfather. being Slavic is a special type of hell. and yes i am an incel
>>18412787People on this board and today will backslide to any possible misinterpretation of history to justify their own ignorance, the party had a decidedly anti-Slavic stance in their rhetoric but their actions did not always reflect this. On some level it was pragmatic, but you only need to look to the racial science justifications given for RONA or the Ukrainian national army after Bagration if you want to see how malleable the stance was. Of the "allies" that Germany had which were not even conquered in the process of becoming "allied" with them you will find a mix of Slovaks, Romanians, Hungarians, Croats, Bosnians and Albanians. There were even poles, Kinski comes to mind. The criteria for some degree of acceptance in the Reich's racial hierarchy was a question of whether you were European and anti-communist, not if you had some percentage of Dinaric blood. You probably would not have gotten approval to marry and settle in Bavaria, but you had your own country anyway and why would you want that to begin with? In today's Europe a premise like this is unthinkable, it is an economic zone where anyone can move freely, but it wasn't even a break with how Europe had conducted itself for a millennia and a half prior to the NSDAP.
Hitler was butthurt about Poolaks bsckstabbing him, he lubed them up as Aryan brothers before the war.>It was also a primary requirement to become a Reich citizen for those who were of German or related blood (Aryan) and wanted to become Reich citizens after the Nuremberg Laws were passed in 1935. A "Swede or an Englishman, a Frenchman or Czech, a Pole or Italian" was considered to be of related blood to the Germans, that is, "Aryan".[1][2]Germany, before the war, was a de jure white ethnostate. You were considered related blood if you were indo european. A Pole or Italian could marry a German woman.This is a FACT from PRIMARY SOURCES.
>>18411335nazi elites (Hitler included) unironicaly believed they were the superior race, it wasn't just a propaganda the complete underestimation of Soviet Union was one of the primary reason for german failure in the east, they were looking at them like they would look at African villages, the plan was that the country would literally completely fall apart in the first 8 weeks because Slavs would get scared, disorganized and there would be 0 resistance after that it was a complete insanity, and any german general who pointed that out qickly lost their job, any economist who pointed out that the occupation of the entire European part of USSR would bankrupt germany five times over was also ignorednazism was just an irrational ideology, it was a lethal larp
>>18412899Interesting. The full translation of the third paragraph here is:>The term “German or kind/related blood” in the Reich Citizenship Act has exactly the same scope. / Aryan descent (= “German-blooded”) is the person / who is free from, as seen by the German people, foreign blood/influences. What is considered foreign here is primarily the blood of the Jews and Gypsies living in the European/European settlement area, that of the Asian / and African races and the natives of Australia and America / (Indians), while, for example, an Englishman or Swede, a Frenchman or / Czech, a Pole or Italian, if he himself is free from such blood influences that are foreign to him / himself, must be considered related, i.e. as Aryan, regardless of whether / he lives in his homeland, in East Asia or America or/may he be a citizen of the United States of America or a South American free state. / It goes without saying that when it comes to a marriage, for example, the German ethnic comrade, the / girl of purely German descent, is closer to us than another Aryan / of more distant racial kinship. It does appear that, at the time of the Reich Citizenship Act's passing, Poles were considered 'Aryan.' However it still specifies a preference for Germans over non-Germans and meticulously defines 'Aryan' as being German-blooded peoples considered racially compatible from a German perspective. Jews, Gypsies, and Non-Europeans are immediately excluded with other European groups being vaguely specified as 'Aryans unless proven otherwise.' This allows the NS government some leeway into future changes to the racial hierarchy. The lack of any mention of Russia or the USSR is also noticeable and perhaps indicates the NS were unwilling to answer the racial question or Russia at that moment
>>18412787Hitler ordered the siege of Leningrad and gave a no surrender order to Army Group North to cause the death of millions of civilians by starvation, and planned on doing the same in Moscow, just to kill more Slavic people while accomplishing no operational objectives. In addition to all the other horrors of German occupational policy addressed in this thread. You say yourself that Slavic people are "obviously" racially inferior. You're just cynically trying to whitewash Nazi crimes and genocide with cope.
>>18413079Slavs are obviously inferior in that they are far less accomplished historically, far far less, and have historically created much less advanced, nice societies. One can only gauge people by what they have done, it is the only fair way to do it. They are lesser in all that, but that doesn't mean they are subhuman cattle. In the eyes of most of the NSDAP just "lesser Aryans/whites". As for what you said about Hitler, I don't believe you. You're trying to tell me that Hitler was obsessed with killing Slavs, to the point he was willing to sacrifice the war (which would also make no sense because, in your demented world, he would be able to kill more Slavs if he didn't lose). I can immediately dismiss that. You know what makes more sense? He wanted to capture the city and minimize German casualties, at the expense of the local population. That's how real people think in the real world, not your Marvel super villains. This is not uniquely cynical or evil in the slightest, but milktoast for what men leading states during wartime have done. Disgusting retard. I hate the fact "people" like you exist.
>>18413087Milk toast? Like you soak bread in milk after toasting it?
>>18413087killing slavs and replacing them with germans was one of the cores of nazi ideology, that was literally what WW2 was about
>>18413182It's part of the core nazi ideology in your superhero fiction you have in your mind. But back to non-fiction: Lebensraum was real and Hitler did want to expand Eastwards, in particular regain Danzig, and annex some USSR-land as spoils of war in what his mind was an inevitable conflict. With Poland he was willing to negotiate, but if Poland refused, that would be an "excuse" to take more than just Danzig, and take the entire corridor and some of Western Poland.>killing slavsFuck you. Here's the "generalplan ost" you think you're referring tohttps://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17474455/#17474458Note what happened to Germany after the war: largest ethnic cleansing in human history, taking large swaths of formerly German land (notably the heart of the German Empire -- Prussia), and splitting the country into 3, forbidding the unification with its most historic state (like a Britain without England, or an Italy without Tuscany. A Greece without Attica).
>>18411337Question is though, was that 5% the aristocratic class or a guesstimate of people possessing sufficient Nordic traits gathered from field studies?
>>18413189>it's a fiction but i also agree that hitler wanted to expand and colonise east, he also only wanted Gdańsk but also was planning to annex USSR teretoriesbro you good?
>>18413196That's very different from "kill slavs and replace them with Germans". You don't mean literally that slavs will die in a war, you are implying a policy of mass slaughter of slavs to then be replaced by Germans. Dishonest prick. Are you Polish?
>>18413200hitler wanted for germans to live together with Slavs? >Are you Polish?I'm Polish, Jewish and Black, what does this have anything to do with the discussion tho
>>18413152Yeah. It used to be a common food prescribed to people with sensitive stomachs. Which then gave rise to Milquetoast, a fragile comic strip character who can't ever have a strong stance on anything and is very frail of disposition. Milquetoast is the technically correct way to express what the other guy is trying to say, as Milktoast refers exclusively to the food, but it's not like it matters.
>>18413236I just assumed milquetoast was some gay French way of calling someone a pussy
>>18413253Milquetoast was a pussy. But like many random things today the term comes from an old comic strip.Like Skunk works, the terms "brainiac" or "Zilch".And I guess I know what the April fools Joke is now.
>>18413079True but if you read his private letters/accounts of that time, he says that the population must die because "they are thoroughly communized" not because "they are Slavs"
>>18412925Hitler's driver and the HY leader had Slavic ancestry. So it makes sense. I mean Hugo Primožič, who was a Slovene by his fathers side was on a Signal cover.Lothar Rendulić was also Croatian ethnically.
>>18413087>Slavs are obviously inferiorAnd they would obviously be germanized and culturally genocided while the other non-nordic half deported. Don't bother shillling national-socialism to slavs or anyone else, besides your germanic brothas, faggot. You are just lying like kikes.
>>18413370Hitler was fond of Slovaks and Croatians. Slav is not a valid category.
>>18413572Because shitler thought of them as lost germanic tribes. Slav is very much a valid category.
>>18412157I think it was more like this: they did see the extant Jewish population as by and large as a hostile collective and their destruction as something in the regime's interest, but they didn't really believe the various "scientific" justifications and classifications, and could admit that a lot of Jews are just normal people or even admirable. Just like how modern-day racists also make a lot of exceptions with individuals, but they collectively still want to exclude groups (and they see the valuable individuals as necessary sacrifices).And that was just the Jews, who the Nazis were the most sure about. When it came to classifying other groups, they were much more flexible. Some Nazis did believe in pseudohistorical theories about Aryan ancestors, but even that shit is so far removed in reality that you could easily switch to "actually, some of Russians are actually the descendants of a secret Aryian tribe that his in the Urals."
>>18413595Except that the brochures for Hitler Youth went for the phenotypical worldview, explicitly and officially, not for a cultural-linguistic worldview.
>>18413612Which makes the brochures in question useless niggerbabble for retarded faggots, true.
>>18413612The phenotypical worldview according to which they were mostly racially garbage "East Baltids" far inferior to the Nordic race. I'm not seeing how this is any better besides for the minority of Slavs who were Nordic and Germanic enough according to German race pseudoscience to have the "honor" of being culturally genocided through Germanization as opposed to just actual genocide, enslavement, and relocation to Siberia planned for the rest of the Slavs (15% of Poles, 35% of Ukrainians, and so on).
>>18413717But Finns were seen as East Baltids as well yet were seen as 'good'. I dont know man, its all garbage.
after adding balto-slavic drift to davidski standard model on g25 vahaduo there are better distances for slavs, not so huge as before. with balto-slavic drift you get around 1% of hun admixture. avar ancestry in the balto-slavic ethnic group is visible also a little greek blood in ukrainians (Tepecik) ANF admixture. make sense for me this model
>>18413796some mesolithic culture in balkans probably caused balto-slavic drift
>>18412910That must go so hard if you are a sub-80IQ brainlet who interprets history from his sole understanding of fiction.Or someone who listens to the coping of German generals blaming their inadequacy on Hitler. If you actually read Mein Kampf, you'd find plenty of examples of Hitler describing potential scenarios of the Slavs overrunning German borders, ffs there were two entire chapters (,,Innere Schwäche des Dreibundes'' and ,,Deutschlands falsche Bündnispolitik'') where he rants about The Habsburger Monarchy and how it could have ended up as another Slavic dominated Power. Yes, they called the Slavs inferior, but that is a common trope across all political ideologies and cultures in general to portray the enemy as both strong and simultaniously weak to convey a sense of urgency from the former and gain political capital fro the latter. They clearly took the UDSSr seriously, hecne why Nazi Germany spent so much time rebuilding and focused on the West first. >any german general who pointed that out qickly lost their jobThere were none. Heck, the idea that the Soviet Union would collapse after the capture of Moscow was the idea of the German generals, Hitler as flawed as he was actually was able to see the bigger picture by considering the Soviet Industry and agricultural center points. >any economist who pointed out that the occupation of the entire European part of USSR would bankrupt germany five timesDoing nothign would have not only bankrupted the German economy, but also caused starvation like in WW1 when Britain cut off German food imports. Estabslihing Germany as a central hegemon required the Ukrainian Lands and after a decisive victory over Britain didn't come into fruition expanding eastwards was the best alternative, while the Red Army was still at a weak state (and according to Western Estimates only at half strength as opposed to actual reality).
>>18413796that balto-slavic drift cut distances but it cointans yamnaya ancestry so (balto-slavic drift) x 0.15 and you get steppe from that component so balts after all would score 51% steppe - latvian. thats how i understand it
>>18413806lol you didn't get a single thing, i'm talking in operational, strategic sense, the plan was to defeat Red Army near the border in a few weeks and then just advance onto undefended territories becasue they assumed that subhuman Slavs will not be able to just draft 10 million new soldiers to keep fighting (exactly what happend) and the whole USSR would drown in anarchy.It's irevelant whatever gaytler wanted to take Moscow or Leningard first because it wouldn't change a thing, you can't just take 3 million soldiers, expect them to beat 10 million heavy armed enemy soldiers while also marching literally 2,500 km across the europelearn to separate your emotions from an actuall history
>>18413830>learn to seperate your emotions from actual history>Speaks in hyperboles
>>18413087Sieges exist to compel a surrender. What's uniquely perverse about Leningrad and Hitler is that he didn't want to actually capture it at all, he ordered Army Group North to deny any surrender of the city so that everyone in it would starve, so that he could later demolish it. Alfred Jodl and Ritter von Leeb wrote that in their respective diaries that those orders came from Hitler. We also have other sources for this like the Goebbels diaries, and he wrote that Hitler wanted to destroy the city after everyone had died. Yes, Hitler was a genocidal psychopath that wanted to exterminate Slavs. You're not really disproving that. You're just using your own incredulity refusing to believe what real history shows and calling others too dumb to understand Nazism.
>>18413841i accept your concesion
>>18413847Yes, guy with 100 Hours in Hoi IV, I accept your utter strategic brilliance.
>>18413370Sure. By the way, I think Slavs are a fine people. In terms of intelligence, Northern Balto-Slavs are probably the same as NW Europeans. If I had to guess where the main important difference lies, it's in Slavs probably being less pro-social on average (for example, less extraverted).
>>18413946Northern Slavs are the worst ones. The Czechs and South Slavs are tolerable
>>18411309alekhine was a nazi sympathiser and had some anti semitic articles published in german newspapers
>>18414076The Czechs are a distinct ethnicity from the south Slavs, not better or more human, but a distinct ethnicity nonetheless. Slavs themselves will tell you this.
>>18411309it's a fate of every germankike to get raped by Slavic gods
>>18414150You can approximate Czechs by mixing a German with a Russian
>>18414588fuck it man I guess so
>>18414076What the fuck are the Northern Slavs.There's Western, Eastern, and Southern Slavs.Also no, Balkaners are absolutely not more tolerable get the fuck out of here. You either decry all Slavs as subhuman like a Finn or take Western Slavs for what they are.Czechs are basically German anyway.
>>18414697those with the most bronze age balt ancestry i assume, since slavs in general emerged from bronze age balt and dacian/thracian admixture, so if northern germanics have a lot iron age germanic ancestry then northern slavs should have the most bronze age balt ancestry
>>18414697>What the fuck are the Northern Slavs.Poles and Russians
>>18414697>West SlavsFake identity made up by Polejeets to LARP as being Western>Czechs are basically German anyway.Czechs are Czechs. They can't be categorized
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>>18414773more slavic regions included.the highest concentration of Bronze Age Baltic genes is found in southern Samogitia in Lithuania
>>18414738>Fake identity made up by Polejeets to LARP as being Western1: It's a linguistic classification2: Sans the Czechs, Poland has the strongest claim to being 'Western' of all the slavs. And the second strongest east of Vienna more generally. (Excluding Swedes).>They can't be categorizedOf course they can.
