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Rome fell because they had high taxes. The Germanic states succeeded because they had low taxes. Socialism has been destroying civilizations since the dawn of time.
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Socialism will win, it is inevitable
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>>18412237

>Rome fell because they had high taxes. The Germanic states succeeded because they had low taxes.


FROM WHAT LIBERTARIAN «YOUTUBE CHANNEL» DID YOU REGURGITATE THAT MORONIC OPINION?
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>>18412317
China's next after Iran
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>>18412341
>>18412470
The Roman Empire did have high taxes because it wasn't as decetralized as the Germanic states
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>>18412471
Also this
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>>18412237
Rome fell because everybody was consuming food & beverages that were kept in lead lined pottery and lead poisoning made them stupid & violent

They fell from within before the Goths & Germans & Huns came in and finished them off
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>>18412471
>>18412472


THE ROMAN EMPIRE DID NOT DISINTEGRATE DUE TO HIGH TAXES, MORON, NOR DID THE BARBARIAN KINGDOMS PREVAIL DUE TO LOWER TAXES.
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>>18412237
Rome fell because of the same exact reason Sparta fell.
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>>18412237
>Rome fell because they had high taxes.

Rome fell due to complex combination of:
-Slavery completely disenfranchising the political and economic lives of the lower and middle class citizens and creating an enormous welfare class of like a million'ish people.
-Aggressive & unsustainable for-profit agricultural practices turning the entire boot of Italy into an arid, deforested, collection of loose sandy soil resting ontop of a rock, ready to collapse into the med. sea at any moment.
-The sheer scale/size of Rome, combined with limited technology and minimal innovation, making it progressively more difficult and impossible to effectively manage, tax, or be responsible for, all their colonies.
-Simultaneously having an economy backed by precious metals, and an economy that doesn't make any commodities foreigners want, putting Rome in a position where they use those precious metals to buy/trade for renewable commodities like spices & silks, effectively *permanently* draining the country of currency at the rate of like 4-6 tons every year leading to horrible inflation.
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>>18412499
the jews did this
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>>18412516
The Pope literally seceded and invented catholicism because he could no longer bear the insane tax rate in the empire
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>>18412627
dude ... literally ...
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>>18412237
I can't imagine what gorilla retarded tier sickness you are possessed of to think this.
Please explain.
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>>18412571
Thank you for posting the actual reasons.
The only thing I would add is, an undefined method of succession, basically legitimizing coups.
If any two thing had been properly managed the empire could have persisted in the west for some more years. But on the whole the western half was fucked.
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>>18413292
From the early republic to the principate Rome had little to no taxation, the crisis of the third century was caused by the gradual raising of the tax rate, then to deal with the unrest Maocletian and Commiestantine had to turn the people of Rome into literal serfs kept in perpetual poverty with their 30% cut on all agricultural production which seemed to stabilize the empire for a bit but what this actually did was cause irreparable economic decline that would kill the Mediterranean world over the next couple centuries. The people of Italy welcomed the Germans with open arms because they freed them from the proto-communistic taxation system of Rome.
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>>18412571
>Slavery completely disenfranchising the political and economic lives of the lower and middle class citizens and creating an enormous welfare class of like a million'ish people.
Its the opposite. The social system and economy started to decine when the conquests stopped, everelt reducing the traditional sources of slavery. Late Roman had a lot less slaves compared to the Early Empire
>Aggressive & unsustainable for-profit agricultural practices turning the entire boot of Italy into an arid, deforested, collection of loose sandy soil resting ontop of a rock, ready to collapse into the med. sea at any moment.
True. Italy was a giant leeche already in the Early Empire tho. Provinces like Sicily, Africa or even Egypt pretty much worked to substain Italy
>The sheer scale/size of Rome, combined with limited technology and minimal innovation, making it progressively more difficult and impossible to effectively manage, tax, or be responsible for, all their colonies.
China was bigger. But i suppose ruling a giant flat rice field with multiple navigabile rivers is much easier
>Simultaneously having an economy backed by precious metals, and an economy that doesn't make any commodities foreigners want, putting Rome in a position where they use those precious metals to buy/trade for renewable commodities like spices & silks, effectively *permanently* draining the country of currency at the rate of like 4-6 tons every year leading to horrible inflation.
True and its a underrated reason for the decline. I suppose China invented banknotes also to reduce this issue

Anyway, you are still avoid to talk about how the racial degeneration of late Rome contributed to the decline. From the Fourth Century onwards roman nobles had a lot of issue in reproducing, imperial family included
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>>18412237
"Socialism" is not when taxes are high. The top 0.01% of American households paid an effective combined tax rate of 68% in 1950. America wasn't socialist at the time and certainly not failing.
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>>18413347
This is because Charlemagne (inventor of the European proto-communist tradition) succeeded in reviving the Roman tax system that had been dead for centuries at that point, but luckily the state built by the Franks (who knew the evils of communism from their encounters with the Romans) was not big and bureaucratic enough to actually enforce them consistently so we still saw some economic growth during the Middle Ages.



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