Why did Jesus Christ never claim to be God? Considering this is the principal basis behind the entire religion, this can't be brushed aside with "It's inferred," or "He didn't have to." Legally, when there's money with unknown proprietorship, you have to start a claim then back that up in court. The court doesn't just "interpret correctly" that it's yours. In Jesus' case, not only did he not prove - to anyone other than other jews - he was God, but he never even started the claims process.I feel this alone is proof that Christianity is false and indicates instead that Christ was something of a grifter with his own cult, or perhaps more akin to an attempted prophet of Judaism than he was God's harbinger for the One True Faith. The only 'proof' of Jesus' divinity comes from jewish rebels with a motive to undermine their conqueror's empire - one such Paul of Tarsus did exceptionally.
>>18412495Dispensationalism Isa dumb heresy invented in the 1830s. Paul did nothing wrong. Jews are still to blame for murdering Jesus.Did I miss anything?
>>18412495John 8:58, the Pharisees literally try to lynch him for claiming to be God here. They eventually succeeded with the Crucifixion.Sorry reality doesn't run like a small claims court.
>>18412714Incorrect. The Living Bible puts John 8:58 very nicely. The Jewish leaders complaint that Jesus was too young to have seen Abraham, and Jesus answered:“The absolute truth is that I was in existence before Abraham was ever born!”That is the point of his answer: he had seen Abraham because he existed even before Abraham. And this is by far the most natural way to understand this verse.
>>18412765So the Cliffnotes butchering of the text that removes the context "I Am" (meaning "I am God" btw) is the correct version? And the Pharisees tried to kill him for claiming to be really old? I think we're done here.
>>18412792Trinitarians believe that Jesus’ use of the words “ego eimi” (“I am”) is a kind of proof that he is God Almighty. That’s why most Trinitarian translations of this particular verse sound like weird English: “before Abraham was, I am”.The reason why they believe this verse proves the Trinity is that God in Exodus 3:14 said “I am who I am”, and they think Jesus here is claiming to be “I am” (JEHOVAH) of Exodus.But that interpretation has several problems:• For once, interpreting “ego eimi” as a proper name doesn’t make sense gramatically. “Before Abraham was, Richard” doesn’t make sense either.• On the other hand, “ego eimi” is an extremely common expression in Greek, and it wouldn’t make sense to understand that any time someone says “ego eimi” is claiming to be God. Just ten verses later, in John 9:9, the blind man that was cured by Jesus uses the expression “ego eimi”, and nobody understands that he was claiming to be God. And there are plenty of other examples.• And if that is not enough, Exodus 3:14 says: “God said to Moses, “I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’”” (New International Version).In the Greek Septuagint, the expression “I am who I am” is not “ego eimi ego eimi”, but “Ego eimi ho on” (“I am the one who is”, more or less). And then it says: “This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘Ho on’ has sent me to you”.So, here “ego eimi” is just the subject and verb of the sentence; the equivalent of the name of God is not “ego eimi”, but “ho on” instead!
Why would Jesus say "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" if he were God?It makes zero sense. Imagine you're being killed, would you say "Me, me, why have I forsaken me?". Of course not.
>>18412999>"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?">https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%2022&version=NABREIts a reference.
>>18413128He still said it. You don't talk in the third person about yourself. You don't ask yourself why you are doing something you planned to do.
>>18413137The prayer wasn't for himself. It was an explanation for his followers in the audience. Read the text of the psalm and compare it to Jesus's crucifixion. What does the psalm say about the suffering of the righteous and what perspective is the suffering righteous man like regarding his situation and feelings about God?
>>18413146Jesus calls the Father his God even when he isn't quoting things, like in John 20:17,>Jesus said to her, “Do not touch me, because I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ”Paul also seems to refer to the Father as Jesus' God in several places, like Romans 15:6, 2 Corinthians 1:3, and Ephesians 1:3 using phrases like "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." And in Ephesians 1:17 it looks even less ambiguous, since he says, "That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory..."
>>18412999The same psalm says "They pierced my hands and feet." Psalm 22 is kind of a prophecy. It was written long before Jesus' birth yet predicts his crucifixtion before crucifixtion was even invented. Jesus quotes the psalm to show the prophecy came true.
