>Greeks>Romans>Celts>Etruscans>Iranians>Ottomans>Albanians>the Moslem world in general>Japanese>Koreans>Tibetans>Chinese>Libyans>Mayans>Aztecs>Incans>New Guineans>CongoleseThese are just some of the cultures that are on record as having practiced pederasty in the past. In general in these societies, it wasn't considered abnormal for men to be attracted to adolescent boys, nor was it considered harmful for men to engage in sexual relations with them, whereas today it isn't a common practice in any country, it's considered abnormal for men to be attracted to adolescent boys, and it's widely considered to be psychologically damaging for men to have sexual relations with boys.Why was pederasty such a common occurrence historically, given the fact that it is almost completely unheard of in the modern world?
Humanity has progressed
Sex is about power, and this is particularly obvious in pederasty. Those were violent patriarchal cultures where men sought to humiliate others, and this was one such status symbol. Now with the influence of Christianity (proto-feminism) and feminism, men are less aggressive and less sexual.
>>18413546>Christianity (proto-feminism)If anything Christianity (Nicene Peterine Churches, AKA actual Christianity) reinforces the subservient status of women by barring them any kind of spiritual authority, which translates to moral authority thereof.>Those were violent patriarchal cultures where men sought to humiliate others, and this was one such status symbol. Guilt-Shame-Fear, essentially. Most of these cultures didn't believe in guilt but rather in shaming others to pull yourself over them, and since pederasty was an upper-class fad most of them never had to actually fear retribution for their actions.>Now with the influence of Christianity (proto-feminism) and feminism, men are less aggressive and less sexual.Disregarding what I already told you about Christianity, if anything men today seem overly sexually dependent. They are addicted to pornography and their complete disregard of marriage as an institution in order to promote a more lascivious lifestyle is ultimately wholly hypersexual in nature. What's more, one can argue that the retiring of religious normative attitudes are what led to this outcome, and without men spearheading it to begin with -as they hold the monopoly on force, unlike the astroturfed female feminists- none of this would have ever happened to begin with.
>>18413557>If anything Christianity (Nicene Peterine Churches, AKA actual Christianity) reinforces the subservient status of women by barring them any kind of spiritual authority, which translates to moral authority thereof.From the perspective of Leftism, Inc., Christianity was a dialectical step forward compared to Roman Paganism which was even more patriarchal.
>>18413561From the perspective of Leftism, Inc, all that matters was “Was it good for the faggots?”
>>18413561>From the perspective of Leftism, Inc., Christianity was a dialectical step forward compared to Roman Paganism which was even more patriarchal.And I should care for the perspective of raging materialist faggots, why, exactly?There is no utopia to march forward to but the one already destined to occur when God walks amongst us once more. Christianity is the end point of Hebraic gradual Revelation; there is no further step. Contrast this with Leftism, which always move the goalposts on how many steps remain to their mirage of a physical, fallen utopia, and constantly shit and piss themselves in recreating issues the traditions they claim to be superseding and revolting against solved through belief in the divine and instinctive rejection of the utopic State of Nature they basically derive all of their beliefs about Mankind from.
>>18413546Not according to Arab sources. Some boys would at times have multiple of these enamored older men around them acting not too differently from how orbiters behave today.>There is abundant evidence to suggest that many individuals actually experienced passionate love as an addictive submission to a beloved who would otherwise occupy a lower status than themselves. The historian Radi al-Din ibn al-Hanbali related how a merchant from Jerusalem became so enamored of a youth from Aleppo that he would lick up the latter’s spittle from the ground and swallow it, saying: “I am afflicted with this and I am sixty years of age; what is this condition?” >The poet Abu Bakr al-Umari reported an incident that took place in Aleppo during his lifetime: a man met his death when his beloved boy asked him to prove his love by jumping into the moat surrounding the citadel of the city. Abu al-Su'ud ibn al-Katib (d. 1646/7), the son of a wealthy merchant of Damascus, met an equally tragic end. >According to the biographer Muhibbi, he fell in love with a boy who behaved toward him in a very quarrelsome and accusing manner. The unhappy lover eventually committed suicide by taking an overdose of opium. Muhibbi added that the story was well known, indeed proverbial, among the people of Damascus in his day, and that it started a trend of similar suicides in the city.Pic unrelated
>>18413599Is this what Gayrabs call "love"?
>>18413599>a man met his death when his beloved boy asked him to prove his love by jumping into the moat surrounding the citadel of the citylol based kidRIP
>>18413599>I am afflicted with this and I am sixty years of age; what is this condition?” Have you ever been swolled by Allah? If not then by Allah don't judge us MENAMed mystic philosophers who love beauty and wisdom.
>>18413531Climate
>>18413531You need monogamous, lifelong marriages for social stability but men are attracted to youth. Sure, they can marry a younger girl. But eventually she will be a hag too. Fucking boys solves this problem. They can't get pregnant so no one cares about their sexual purity. And clearly based on all these cultures plenty of otherwise straight men find them attractive enough. And the mentorship angle employed by the cultures like the Greeks and Japanese allows it to be mutually beneficial and at least somewhat structured to minimize abuse.
I'm convinced men were supposed to sex men for pleasure instead of women because men have infinite sex drives and would eventually overrun the planet with humans.
>>18413708It can't be climate because it's found in China and Japan it's more like a Jedi power source.
>>18413531>KoreanYou mean pseudo han-nippon
>>18413531Abuse has always been present in such societies.
>>18413531Because shotas have always been hot, and they can't get pregnant so you can fuck them for a while and then go on with your life. Also, unlike girls, nobody gives a shit if they lose their virginity.
>>18413531>whereas today it isn't a common practice in any country>it's considered abnormal for men to be attracted to adolescent boys>and it's widely considered to be psychologically damaging for men to have sexual relations with boys.Are you sure?
Enjoy Hell
Sometimes I like to pretend this board is more enlightened than the others and then I read fucking shit like >>18413973 >>18413561>>18413685>>18413710
>>18413685>Allah descends every night to the lowest heaven when one-third of the first part of the night is over and says: I am the Lord; I am the Lord: who is there to supplicate Me so that I answer him? Who is there to beg of Me so that I grant him? Who is there to beg forgiveness from Me so that I forgive him? He continues like this till the day breaks.What would happen if Jesus the christing God caught beardless boy Allah in a park at 4am after hearing his nightly broadcast? Would it look like a MENAMed or NAMBLA situation?
>>18414104Sorry that my historical knowledge and use of common sense hurt your judeo-christian sensibilities, bitch.
>>18414184I think this is what they call projection, because those aren't my tears you see in your reflection.
>>18414104I feel your pain, but I never once thought this board to be anything but a pile of shit with a few diamonds here and there. To be honest, I find this dynamic entertaining. No other sites like this one really.
All this fucking quasi philosophical bullshit and nobody can actually get to the very simple reason.You cant make babies with kids.Condoms made it obsolete
>>18414205You are genuinely insane if you think raping children is ok because they cant get pregnant is a conclusion people make. Its more about social structures enabling gay predators and cultural promiscuity leading to increasingly degenerate behavior.
Because shotas are cute
>>18414228Who said I was defending it, I was just explaining why it was prevelant in some societies.This is 4chan, not your church meetings, we can discuss uncomfortable topics here.
>>18413973Tokiyuki my boy wife
>>18414104This is atheism. If you’re an atheist, this is what you’re fighting for. An atheist has no logically consistent justification for opposing pederasty.It’s Christ or chaos
>>18414246Its a stupid take, nobody ever decided to fuck children, especially boys, because they cant pregnant lol. People just aborted, abandoned or never acknowledged unwanted children. Pregnancy really wasnt that big of a deal.
>>18414256>An atheist has no logically consistent justification for opposing pederasty.I am not a faggot.
>>18414264Irrelevant conclusion
Ahh, I already know why.Where is my prize?!When are my saviors going to collect me and save me from the grasp of the evil goddess worshipers?!
>>18414296No its not. I am not a faggot so I oppose faggotry.
>>18414303Non sequitur
>>18413546This sounds right. We now live entirely subservient to women and every aspect of male sexuality that seems "creepy" or "weird" to them or gives them "the ick" is suppressed through social ridicule/ostracization and often also by government intervention.Conservative marriage is often hailed as "patriarchal", but all it does is limit men to a single sexual contact and force them to work all day, so women can have an easy life doing minor chores around a house paid entirely by her man-servant.I think most women deeply fear pederasty, because it establishes the boy as a higher-value "fair sex" above them, thus greatly reducing their sexual market value and their manipulative grip on men.
>>18414425Extremely mentally ill. I prescribe public execution
>>18413541>Humanity gets better with timeliberal idea that got refuted
>>18414256Don't act like Catholicism hasn't used pederasty as a secret initiation rite in their monk orders and priesthood for the last two millenia. Also, protestant sects don't have any less pedophilia cases. Christian religiosity doesn't keep men from acting on their desires, it simply hides their desires behind a moral facade that only presents a clean persona of puritan boredom to the public eye, while the perversions resume behind closed curtains.
>>18414427The only argument feminists have against this are personal insults and homicidal fantasies. Same thing in every thread like that. For what reason? Does writing something like that make you feel tough? Do you think someone you say "kys" to will change in any way because of that? Or do you have to force yourself to react hatefully to everything that challenges your worldview, so you don't suffer a mental break?
>>18414436But this is not what the Church teaches you. In engaging in such vile acts they contradict the objective moral principles they publicly professed, under the secular worldview there is no such foundation and no ground for condemnation. The Church is not composed exclusively of sanctified believers, and some vicious wolves sneak in not sparing the flock. What’s more the saints are not perfectly sanctified in this life and sin still dwells in their members until the Lord calls them to His side. Faith in Christ does not eliminate sin from your being, it 1. gives you a worldview which allows you to define sin to begin with, and 2. reconciles you to God and makes you pure in His sight, bringing you near to the covenant of promise.
>>18414444>feminism is when you oppose sodomites violating young boys o algo
>>18413546>Now with the influence of Christianity (proto-feminism)You are completely brain dead.
Women are useless and have destroyed the west. I'll take the femboy
>>18414448I don't think the church engaged with the topic of pederasty in public at all until conservative politics in Europe and America reacted to 1960s sexual liberation and female empowerment by tightening male sexual freedom, culminating in today's mindset. To my knowledge, Pope John Paul II and Benedict were the first to popularize pederasty as "a sin that plagues the church" and to call for investigations and support victim-mentality. The bible depicts Christ as not minding slavery, throwing jewish moneylenders out of temples and being with a naked boy (when the roman soldiers came to take him). Much of what he did or spoke for would be frowned upon today. The question is, whether what "Christians" today are preaching is more aligned with traditional Christianity or with post-1960s boomer conservatism, which is heavily influenced by femimism, post-enlightenment secularism, judaism and Critical Theory.
>>18414450Every restriction of male sexual freedom towards female empowerment is a form of feminism. We're also talking about consensual sex with boys here, not rape/violation. The term "informed consent" only first appeared in 1957. It's a feminist myth that claims the ability to comprehend sexuality magically appears once a person reaches a government-mandated age and not a second earlier. It also posits, that both partners have to be equals, which is an egalitarian doctrine entirely opposed to the whole of pre-WW2 male sexual history, which was almost entirely hierarchical, with the man at the top, doing as he desires with women or boys as his property.
>>18414470>To my knowledge, Pope John Paul II and Benedict were the first to popularize pederasty as "a sin that plagues the church" and to call for investigations and support victim-mentality.It goes back at least a thousand years, actually.
>>18414470>I don't think the church engaged with the topic of pederasty in public at all until conservative politics in Europe and America reacted to 1960s sexual liberation and female empowerment by tightening male sexual freedom, culminating in today's mindsetHistory didn’t begin in 1945>Pope John Paul II and BenedictWere not Christians>being with a naked boyNo, that is a blasphemous slander. Have you no fear of God? The individual was a man and was located nearby enough to see the soldiers and flee, no indication he was associated with Christ before this.>The question is, whether what "Christians" today are preaching is more aligned with traditional ChristianityNo. The question is only what is taught by scripture.>>18414480You are deranged. A boy cannot consent to his own perverse abuse. His permission is not valid.
>>18414486Interesting. What were the consequences? Considering Europe was unwaveringly Catholic back then, I doubt it was used to create an outrage epidemic to overthrow church power, and it couldn't have had a lasting impact, considering the many publicly known pederasty cases within the church today (and the much higher number of undiscovered ones).This might aswell be proof that pederasty is a natural part of Catholicism or of male-only societies as a whole, if nothing else.
>>18414493>You are deranged. A boy cannot consent to his own perverse abuse. His permission is not valid.You simply don't understand the lover/loved dynamic
>>18414493>Christ and the naked boyMark 14:51. There's a debate about whether neaniskos means boy or young adult man. There's a thread about this on /his/ almost every day.>consentWhy is sex with a boy abuse and sex with a woman isn't? How exactly does a boy attain the ability to consent to sex, if he doesn't already have it?
>>18414493>The question is only what is taught by scripture.Sola scripture is a heresy, because it's phariseeism. Still, can you provide evidence where the scripture is explicitly against pederasty? Not "if a man lies with a man as with a woman" — which would only describe the egalitarian, adult homosexuality practised by LGBTs today — but actual quotes about sex with boys. Not "abuse", "rape" or any other hostile act, but consensual sex.
>>18414430That's not what I meant at all.Read a Locon doujin and you'll understand
>>18414513*sola scriptura
>>18414486>and then the pope downplayed and ignored itkek
>>18414498You have a malignant definition of “love”.>>18414503>There's a debate about whether neaniskos means boy or young adult manNo, there isn’t. The presence of seething reprobates on 4chan is meaningless>Why is sex with a boy abuse and sex with a woman isn't?Because it subjects a child to the abomination of sodomy (which would be abuse on its own) and distorts his development.>How exactly does a boy attain the ability to consent to sex, if he doesn't already have it?His inability to consent is not to sex per se, as they demonstrate often in their interactions with similar-aged girls, but is an inability to consent to being so subjected to vileness and perversion, which inability is not metaphysical but moral. >>18414513Sola scriptura is the opposite of pharisaism, who nullified the word of God by their traditions of men (Mark 7). Despite your protest the scripture you quoted is sufficient. The definition here of “man” would include boys, since it refers merely to the male sex and no distinct sexual regulations exist for children. The immorality of the act proceeds from the common gender of the participants and not the age of either party. Therefore it was so applied against Roman pederasty by the church fathers.
>>18414538I appreciate you acknowledging that boys can consent to sex, but most people that argue similar to you would call you a monster for saying that. You already said multiple times that you consider pederasty to be perverted, but still haven't explained why. Is the reason hierarchy, unchecked male lust, a boy being subjected to the will of a man, the age difference (if it's that, please explain exactly at what age it becomes mathematically unproblematic and why), sexuality without a women being present? All of those would be feminist arguments, by the way. >the definition of man includes boysWe have to agree to disagree on that. I think it's directed at men who live in a marriage-like relationship with another man, not someone having a boy-love besides his wife, which was very common.
>>18414486>copulation between the thighsCatholicucks do hate fun.
>>18414503>>18414498Men nowadays are so mindraped by feminism they genuinely believe that an adult woman is more intellectually capable or discerning than an adolescent boy. They don't even question it, despite the fact that every day experience informs us that it's clearly not true.If people actually believed feminist consent theory to be true, taking all facts into consideration, they would have to conclude that women are incapable of consenting to a sexual relationship with an adult man, as they are vastly intellectually, morally, and emotionally outclassed by the average man. Women have a far lower capacity to decide their sexual partners, or even to make important decisions in general, than even a male child, which is why marriages were arranged for them for the majority of history.
>>18414568Good point. Reminds me of those videos of professional female soccer players and female chess grandmasters losing against amateur adolescent boys again and again.The Informed Consent Theory would also imply, if applied thoroughly, that adults with a below-average IQ should be forbidden from engaging in sexual behavior at all (and we should face having sex with one of them with the same moral panic), while high-IQ children should not. This is of course not the case, as the same age of consent counts for all people, the same sexual liberties for all adults, despite huge differences between individuals in brain power and ability to comprehend.The more you poke at it, the more it falls apart and reveals itself as nothing but female hysteria, fought for by confused men playing white knight.
>>18414568Would love to see some counter arguments against this one.
>>18414467Read Tom Holland's Dominion retard
>>18413531Boys are hornier motherfuckers at a younger age and aren't scared for life over sex like women are. I remember there was this news story going around when I was in Middle School of a female teacher having sex with one of her male students in some other state making the rounds and my and my friends were all joking about how lucky they were.
>>18414301>When are my saviors going to collect me and save me from the grasp of the evil goddess worshipers?!VENUS VVON
>>18413531>Greek, RomansYes, until christianity, despite some failed and debunked revisionnism.>EtruscansSame group as the ones before.>Ir*niansNot until the 7th century; after this the cases were like the pedophilic scandals of the vatican; legally not allowed but many "infiltration", with the religiously unlawful exception of modern trans.>ottomans turkishYes, and they still do it, sometimes against the Kurdish youth or their own.>CeltsNot the same as the Etruscans, but in close contact with them and the ancient Greek and roman.>*lbaniansNever happened, except during the failed turkish occupation>LibyansWas legally not allowed in any ways, from the late roman empire to the 16th century, and from 1911.>C*ng*leseNever happened, and this is not a singular ethnic group or culture.
>>18414592The differences in a Child's brain are structural and not related to reasoning ability. Informed consent is more to do with jurisprudence anyway.
>>18414880despite some failed and debunked revisionism.*
>>18414557>You already said multiple times that you consider pederasty to be perverted, but still haven't explained why.I don’t understand how this could elude you but homosexual acts are crimes against nature which are done in rebellion against the design of God, and when they are perpetrated against children the crime is enhanced.>All of those would be feminist arguments, by the way.No, recognition that homosexuality is an abomination predates feminism by thousands of years.>We have to agree to disagree on that. I think it's directed at men who live in a marriage-like relationship with another manThis is not a matter of opinion, the underlying Hebrew word rendered man generically means male and is used a number of times in contexts which cannot refer to an adult man (including at least once to refer to a child Leviticus 12:2) and the word for lying down exclusively refers to the act of sex itself (not a “marriage-like relationship”) in the context of sex (e.g. Ezekiel 23:17). There is no ambiguity. Pederasty may have been common and acceptable for the nations outside Israel, but inside Israel it carried the penalty of death because it is vile in the eyes of God.(cont.)
>>18414557>>18415059Will you not stand trial before a holy God? Have you not sinned against Him, and will you not be sentenced to death? Everyone who is outside of Jesus Christ will be condemned on the last day, but forgiveness and reconciliation is promised to everyone who turns from the deeds of the flesh to place their faith in Him. Because Jesus kept God’s law perfectly, and because He suffered the penalty which was against every believer, and afterwards rose to God’s right hand to advocate for them before Him, therefore He is able to save to the uttermost all those who draw near to God through Him. I’m sure you believe you cannot change, but not one who believes in Christ is a homosexual, or a pedophile, a porn addict etc. irrespective of what temptations they suffer since they are a new man in Christ and all that remains is for them to recognize they are dead to sin (having been nailed to the cross) and therefore must put their sin to death. What is impossible for men is possible with God, Christ secured reconciliation and new life even for ones like you.
>>18415059>>18415060This board gives me severe christcuck fatigue.
The fictional world of christkeks is so funny
>>18414513Agitprop out of the gates. Any adult that shows an attraction to minors and actually acts upon it is likely so mentally disordered/impaired that any interaction they would have with a child is inherently negative, even ignoring their attempts to grope and rape and the child.
>>18415346Minor by today's standards or historical standards?
>>18414568Exactly, consent-based morality is nonsense. Purpose-based morality still forbids homosexuality, as with all sexual intercourse without the intention to procreate.
>>18415352>if I transform this into a discussion about historical instances of this behavior, ignoring the context that informed these, I can magically make myself appear to be less of a subhuman freak!Lolno
>>18415367So you are one of the schizos that believe that hooking up with a 16 year old is an abomination?
>>18415381False equivalency, strawman
>>18415385How is it a false equivalency when you spoke about "minors"? 16 year olds are minors in most countries.
>>18415396>Oye! Yo no entiendo
>>18413754>Pseudo han-nipponbased
we still love boys today, in Japan's 'shota' character type.
>>18414879It'll be over soon enough. Turns out humanity just gets worse without salvation when women and girls are involved in or at the center of the esoterics, at the very least.
>>18413531My assumption is that a society that relies on controlling access to breeding especially among the more powerful classes will need to provide socially sanctioned sexual outlets for men that won't result in pregnancy. Athenian men of the citizen class typically didn't marry until their 30s, same with spartans. A society that completely denies you sexual access to women of your class until you're 32 or whatever is probably going to have trouble getting you to stand in a shield wall.Of course there is also the educational element, which is part of the issue that Athenians eventually seemed to have with the idea. The notion that men of a certain class ought to just be able to pick boys from someone else's family to raise and educate while also taking sexual advantage of was seen as overly aristocratic. Maybe it originally developed as a way of perpetuating both aristocratic education and privilege (also isn't this a description of british boarding schools lmao). Might have served to help replace dead aristocratic boys in a time of high infant mortality by taking the most promising boys from those beneath you and inducting them in to your class/family. That process would definitely serve to entrench the socio-economic hierachy. I think it was Plutarch who explicitly said that the older partner had at least as much authority of the boy's life as his biological father.
>>18414201>I never once thought this board to be anything but a pile of shit with a few diamonds here and thereTrue in every single context, globally
>>18414513Stop preaching on anonymous image boards forums its not what the founders have wanted and the message gets diluted anyways.
Ironically, when you discuss the subject in terms of star gravitational pull, pederasty makes sense.Its the equal relationship of males that I had the hardest time arguing for and now everything has flipped.
>>18413531Shouldn't you be busy raping kids or bombing schools or something, Moshe?
>>18415894Boys in greek city states used to live in their erastes' home, so he most likely had the most control over them, although they weren't forced to and could exit the relationship at any point.Pederasty solved a problem that has returned today: The incentive to educate a boy. Most men want boys of their own nation to be educated and turned into strong and wise men being able to lead their nation into the future. Despite that, idealism alone is too weak of an incentive, so the vast majority of men won't pour much (if any) resources into the education of a stranger's son (often not even their own sons' education; see liberal/conservative parenting today, which is almost absent of parent-taught skills and values). The greeks solved this problem by providing high-status men an erotic incentive to educate boys and eventually raise them to their rank, while having the pleasure to enjoy a beautiful young beloved in return. Comparing this to today, the incentive for (public school) teachers is their salary alone, and everyone that visited a public school in recent years will tell you how little he learned in there, how disinterested the teachers are in teaching their students useful skills and how much of a waste of time it was. While pederasty increased social mobility for beautiful, healthy, intelligent boys, modern education reduced itIf you're born poor in a modern democracy, there's an almost 100% chance you'll won't advance to a higher class in your lifetime. Most young men and boys in our centralized modern systems are basically the scum of the earth and no one cares for their future or well-being.
>>18417759Good point. I was thinking something similar but couldn't fit it in to my post, but I think you managed it better than I was trying to put it anyway. I can't speak to other regions, but Mediterranean pederasty seems to have been the result of multiple forces within bronze age society. >While pederasty increased social mobility for beautiful, healthy, intelligent boysAnd in so doing it ensured that the economically elite were more beautiful, intelligent, healthy, and well educated than those beneath them. All in all it seems like it would have been surprisingly effective social engineering.
>>18416425It's the b-team of pederasts this time around, my guess is the usual ones got reassigned
>>18417967Pederasty definitely had strong eugenic influences on their societies. Those intelligent, beautiful and strong (= genetically superior) boys would be raised by high-status men, attaining the same status themselves in their later life and see women flocking to them to spread their genes with them, while the men at the opposite end had much worse of a chance to procreate, because the socio-sexual elite owned the land, controlled the military, government, law and the economy.This, to me, is still the ultimate form of government, with everything that happened after being an enormous step down in quality.
>>18418676wtf
>>18413531>Burton theorised about the existence of a "Sotadic zone" in the closing essay of his English translation of The Arabian Nights (1885–1886). He asserted that there exists a geographic-climatic zone in which sodomy and pederasty (sexual intimacy between older men and young pubescent/adolescent boys) are endemic, prevalent, and celebrated among the indigenous inhabitants and within their cultures>The "Sotadic Zone" of Burton encompassed the Mediterranean coastlines of Southern Europe and North Africa, the entire region of the Levant, larger areas of the Middle East and AsiaHomosexual pederasty is a pathway to many civilisational developments some barbarians consider to be...'unnatural'....
>>18418685Something wrong?
>>18415768My favorite faps are straight shota because I like to self insert as the chad kid who fucks all the hot chicks
>>18418701>faggotry begets civilizationNope. Now face the wall, evildoer
>>18418755Whoa, hold on there, tough guy. Maybe put the Punisher comics aside and get yourself a snack.
>>18418701Sotadic Zone cultures prioritize enjoyful sex while non-SZ cultures prioritize pure animalistic breeding. Idealism versus materialism.
>>18418774Whats so "enjoyful" about sodomizing a crying child?How about putting your penis in a vagina, you know, the thing both of them were designed for.
>>18418789I'm a married man and my wife is quite satisfied with me, lol.You're projecting your media consumption on historical practices. Pederasty in greek city states was entirely voluntary, the erastes (male/lover) had to ask for explicit permission from the eromenos (boy/beloved) and his parents and the eromenos could leave the relationship at any time. Courtship most often took place in the gymnasion (where athletes trained completely naked at all ages) and the man was expected to win the boy over with expensive gifts (and of course the display of his physical prowess and trained body).Talking about "crying children" instead of constantly horny (pre-) teenage boys, who were very glad for some action, is completely missing the point. Also, the rape of any citizen, no matter the age, was as serious a crime as it is today.
By the way, every man was expected to have a younger male beloved/apprentice and to be married to a woman at the same time. Both weren't seen as mutually exclusive. Exclusive homosexuality, where a male lover takes the place of the wife — which is subversive towards traditional values — didn't exist before modern times.
>constantly horny (pre-) teenage boys, who were very glad for some action, is completely missing the point.kys
>>18413531faggots really are getting desperate
>>18418800Does your wife know you want to rape little boys?
>>18413531his cute little penis looks so delicious. i would love to peel back his foreskin with my lips and lick it clean with my tongue
>>18418845Turn off your vpn, Epstein
>>18418818>>18418820>>18418840I bet /pol/ is missing some incel edgelords right now.
>>18418862Please, Epstein went for girls. His girls were taylor made for his and his clients tastes.That's why they are all mentally unwell and produce nothing but problems.Unlike world-building pederastic civilizations.
>>18418818>teenage horniness is completely unheard of, I don't know what you're talking aboutDid your parents castrate you before entering puberty?
