Why did the middle east and north africa fail to follow western europe in modernization?What was it about Ottoman and broader muslim society that made it so difficult for them to incorporate the kinds of institutions and policies that allowed Europe to dominate much of the world between c.1700-1945?I feel like the nature of islamic society is not really touched upon as much as the western european one. I have a sense how the nobility, clergy, commons, and merchants developed in europe into relitively robust superstructures, but islamic society seems much less clearly structured or even brought up. Is that a major reason why? It seems like there wasnt as much of established intermediary powers like Europe had in the likes of high dukes and greater merchant leagues like the Hansiatic or Venetians. The Pirates of North Africa were notable, but I don't believe they were very centralized like the venetians who could muster a majority of their fleets in single engagements rather than say Tunis who had a whole bunch of smaller operations that the ruler could not directly command. I also dont believe the islamic "local notables" and military advisors had as much of a stable multi generational powerbases as European noble families or guild organizations, outside of overt revolts like the Mamaluks in Egypt. But again, I hear vary little about these things in the Ottoman world. Were these intermediary powers what the south and east mediterranean lacked? Or is there something else that I am missing?
The Islamic world became slowly impoverished after the Age of Discovery shifted the center of world trade to the Atlantic.
>>18415672Egypt is massively overpopulated (Malthus was right). Algeria and Tunisia failed to rebuild after the Revolt. Libya was murdered by Obama (unironically). Morocco isn’t that much worse than Eastern Europe.
No printing press were allowed because people wernt allowed to read anything but the koran
>>18415725>Egypt is massively overpopulated (Malthus was right).Nah, it's just not well managed but that can be applied to every state lol. Malthusianism is total bunk and you'd know that if you bothered to use your braincells for once.
>>18415727The Ottomans did allow the printing press but only to print scriptures.
>>18416202It would be a lot more enjoyable to live in Egypt if less people lived there. This would be true no matter how well-managed it was. It is true that you can apply it to every state, but Egypt is particularly egregious, because it's 100 million people who can only live on a thin strip adjoining the Nile. Egypt's always had this problem, but it's worse than its ever been.
>>18415727>>18416206This had more to do with scribes being a really, really powerfull lobby that didnt want too much competition than Islam itself
>>18415672>>18416202>>18415725it's because of their genes
