Oh no!
Why do Hollywood movies portray German tanks as cool then?
>>18418141Why would anyone pay to see a war movie where the tanks don't look cool?
>>18418021panther-bros are midwitssure it's better on paper, who gives a fuck when your final drive breaks every 200 km, you can't see shit, you have no reverse gear, and your side armour is ass.Tiger was better for what it was.
German WW2 propaganda was so good it’s still convincing people that the German army was a high-tech mechanized elite force even though they had far less vehicles of all types and they relied on horses to the very end. Stories of “panzer aces” (a term that never existed btw) being invented in the post war to convince NATO that keeping a bunch of Nazis around was a good idea, with bullshit stories of gentlemen tank commanders destroying hundreds of Russian tanks as they attacked in massive hoards, fighting until they had run out of ammo and were overwhelmed by sheer numbers. This is just not true, but it was convincing enough for NATO to hire ex-Nazis as advisors since they had actually fought the Soviets, and the Soviets weren’t going to argue against it because they wanted to cover up their tactical shortcomings and strategic blunders wirh the idea that a ton of their men died simply because the fighting was so intense, so desperate and bloody, it’d make your cock retreat up into your body if you even caught a sniff of it. In reality the Soviet command were just shit at strategy and wasted lives bickering and going against one another. If you look at the statistics, it becomes clear that whoever shot first won in a tank fight, and that the Germans being on the retreat for most of the war had the defensive advantage.
>>18418238>...the Tiger could very easily knock out a T-34 with a frontal hit from 2,000 meters away, while the Soviet tanks could not reliably pierce the Tiger’s front armor at any distance.>And so, at Prokhorovka, General Rotmistrov had launched what amounted to a massed frontal charge against an enemy which had in its inventories tanks that he lacked a realistic way to kill. Although Tigers and Panthers formed only a portion of German inventories, the balance largely consisted of new-model Panzer IV’s, equipped with long barrel 75mm guns that, while not as punchy as the Big Cats, still had a 700 meter range advantage on the T-34’s.>the attacking Soviet tanks had to rush at full speed, weaving around their own anti-tank ditches, to close with Hausser’s panzers. German crews described the attack as a seemingly suicidal action, but for Soviet tank crews ordered to attack head on, the only real option was to try and close the gap. This, in effect, turned the field into a shooting gallery for the Panzers.>Soviet losses at Prokhorovka were horrible all over the field. Two armored companies (consisting of 14 Panzer IVs and a mere 4 Tigers) reported destroying “hundreds” of Soviet tanks. The figure seemed so unbelievable that General Housser initially dismissed it as rubbish and drove up to their position to see for himself. Sure enough, Soviet figures confirm that the 29th Armored Corps (Rotmistrov’s spearhead element) lost 172 of its 219 armored vehicles in the opening charge.>All told, Rotmistrov’s 5th Guards Tank Army lost at least 250 tanks at Prokhorovka, and only destroyed 3 Panzers. The upshot of the day was an incredibly foolish head on assault by the Soviet tankers against technologically superior German vehicles. The scene certainly would have been shocking and thrilling enough, but this “tank duel” largely consisted of the Panzers sitting in a defensive stance taking potshots at the T-34s as they futilely tried to close the gap.
>>18418238>>18418262>So how did this one-sided affair turn into the famous story of the world’s greatest tank battle? For that, we can thank Rotmistrov himself. He had been the only commander in the entire Kursk operation foolish enough to throw his forces across open terrain into a head-on assault on the new German tanks - and worst yet, he chose to pick a fight with the best equipped formation in the German assault package. Other Soviet commanders fought a more cautious and defensive battle and were able to blunt the German advance in a much less costly manner.>In a sense, this reflects the general principle that prudent and technically sound fighting is always less sexy and cinematic than higher risk (and costlier) action. Perhaps the idea of sitting in a prepared gun pit and firing antitank rounds from cover is less exciting to readers than sending hundreds of tanks straight into German firing lanes, but it is a better way to fight. Ironically, Rotmistrov’s attack at Prokhorovka is the most famous single engagement of the Kursk operation precisely because it was the most ill advised, and he had to create the story of an enormous tank duel to save his career.>Rotmistrov benefited, however, from the fact that Operation Citadel was called off the day after Prokhorovka. Not because of Prokhorovka mind you, but the timing was a gift from above. Rotmistrov had to report huge losses among his tank forces, but he was also able to report that the 2nd SS Panzer Corps was withdrawing. Nevermind the fact that the Germans left with virtually all of their vehicles
>>18418238>>18418262>>18418263>It was relatively easy for him to connect the dots and claim that he had fought a huge battle and dished out damage as well as he’d taken it. The story was tacitly accepted by his superiors, including Vatutin and Stalin himself, because both had supported the idea of a big counterattack inside the Kursk salient. Rotmistrov was not punished for wasting his corps, and in fact would later receive a promotion, while the Battle of Prokhorovka entered the mythology of the war as the swan song of the Panzer force.>So Prokhorovka, far from being a climactic tank duel for the future of the world, was a tactical debacle for a Soviet tank army that flung itself headlong towards the Tigers, but it was a debacle that did not matter much in the end (except to the brave souls who perished), simply because the larger Kursk operation was dead in the water. For the SS tankers who shot up the charging Red Army tanks, it was a remarkable experience and no doubt a satisfying tactical victory - but it was soon swallowed up in an all-encompassing strategic defeat.
>>18418238>it's still convincing peopleNigger, where? Even on 4chan I see people say the exact same stuff whenever the Wehrmacht is even only mentioned. I'm not even arguing against what you said, but stop acting like you aqquired some secret knowledge against a Nazi-Propaganda network when wehraboos haven't been a thing since the early 2020's. It's becoming annoying.
>>18418262>>18418263>>18418265I’m not gonna read a copy paste wall if theres no sources attached
>>18418284this, the anti-wehraboos are as bad as the wehraboos used to be. it is objectively true that overall, Germany only did what it did because the allies were uncoordinated for the first few years of the war. But it's still impressive what they accomplished with what was a gay, dead, hollowed out husk of a broken country wracked by civil strife and Jewish tricks just 20 years after suffering a humiliating defeat in the conflict that defined a century. Compare it to what Putin is doing in Ukraine now. The Nazis did much more working with much less even if ultimately they couldn't keep it up.
>>18418490>But it's still impressivehow? they just beat a bunch of countries that were far, far weaker than Germany in population and industries
>>18418496"Beaten" is also a stretch. Shitler was basically handed a lot of countries and resources for free through appeasement.
>>18418509Sudetenland is part of Czechia. And Austria was a minor European Country (of which 90% of the population wanted to join Germand anyway). Greece, Yugoslavia, Norway, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Poland, Denmark, Belarus, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia and and Ukraine were not related to appeasement.
>heh those Germans with their "stab in the back" myth can't understand that surrender was the most reasonable choice at the end of ww1, even though they were still holding enemy territory when they surrendered>REEE HOW DARE THE FRENCH SURRENDER WITHOUT FIGHTING FOR PARIS TO THE BITTER END THEYRE NO LESS THAN NAZI COLLABORATORS
>>18418490>just 20 yearsDo you know how long 20 years is
>>18418589The Germans surrendered Paris without a fight as wellNobody wants to fight for Paris
>>18418496See >>18418583. It's the speed and quantity while being overstretched through all of Europe and only starting rebuilding a military from basically nothing (hence why most German equipment was subpar until 1941) after 1935. Besides Napoleon how many modern European nations accomplished that? Modern Russia is now 4 years and owns 20% of Ukraine. Serbia couldn't get outside yugoslavia. Poland defeated the UDSSR when it useless, but couldn't expand past a few Ukrainian and Baltic villages. The Allies, despite significant superiority in technology, manpower and industryalmosg took 4 years to capture back what the Axis took in less than 3 (if we start from Operation Barbarossa)
>>18418496>they just beat a bunch of countries that were far, far weaker than Germany in population and industriesYeah, countries like France which had the most powerful army on the European continent and a world-spanning empire.
>>18418596>despite significant superiority in technology, manpower and industryThe Soviets were backwards, the British were outproduced by the Germans since around 1900 or so and the French were out of service. The only indsutrial advantage was from the Americans
>>18418597The French suffered from massive population shrinkage for unknown reasons from 1800 to 1900 and that was one of the major reasons for its decline as a world power since it historically could field more men than other European nations
>>18418610Yes the famous French lack of reinforcements in World War 1.
>>18418613Yeah and guess what happened to those guysThey all died which crippled the French population advantage even further
>>18418597>France which had the most powerful armyThey did not tho, Germany had them heavily outnumbered (German pop, 80m, France, 40m) They were a much stronger country so I really have no idea why werhaboos are gooning to the defeat of France as it was some impossible feat. The French themselves realised how completly outclassed they were at every level and that's why they adopted a heavy defensive strategy >>18418596> rebuilding a military from basically nothingThat's not really true too, Weimar Republic was developing military in secret pretty much since 1921, Germany has been the strongest european economy in 1929 with huge industrial base and second population base in Europe so I don't really know why nazis bulding a big army is some kind of miracle for a lot of people
>>18418021>>18418188>>18418238brazilians trying to sow discord amongst white people
>>18418608The Soviets were not backwards. Do you seriously believe a backwards army can recover from losing over 109 Divisions and archieve what Britain and France, gwo nations which for a centuries were far above Russia, couldn't? Do you believe that a backwards nation could create equipment on parity with the Western Nations during WW2 (and again, in some regards their equipment and vehicles outclassed most of the German catalogue until 1942)? Do you believe that a backwards nation can become a super power after losing a 6th of its population, most of them young men? If the Soviet Union is supposed to be a backwards shithole then I don't want to know what a primitive mudhut dwelling your country is.
>>18418622>so I don't really know why nazis bulding a big army is some kind of miracle for a lot of peopleBecause shitty history classes compress everything that happened in Germany in the 1920s and go from the post-war hyperinflation directly to the Great Depression without mentioning the German economic boom in the mid-20s when the Entente gave them reparations relief under the Dawes' Plan, and the argument is that because the Entente was mean to Germany that's why they wanted revenge (ignoring that the German reparations were lighter than the reparations they forced the French to pay after the Franco-Prussian War in 1871 because US ignores that period to focus on Reconstruction and the opening of the West, etc.)
>>18418627Lol they were bailed out with massive logistical support from Lend-Lease bro
>>18418624Most Brazilians (and as an extension Latinxs) are cool, Jeets and Menas are insufferable though.
>>18418642>senooooor if we hate on indians we'll score white people points and they'll call ICE off us o algo
>>18418141Almost losing to shit tanks sounds a lot less cool, dood.
still don't understand how tards genuinely believe a panther would break down before it ran out of fuel. something something that one french report and then the chieftain blindly parroting it on a world of tanks forum (never mind the french half copied the Panther, so did the americans or at least its gun)wehraboos le bad, yes. doesn't mean you have to throw away all context and swing in the other direction to own the wehraboos with your ignorance
>>18418645I'm not even Latinx, I specifically meant those on the internet.
>>18418662>Almost losingBut r/shitwehraboossay told me that Germany never ever could've won?
>>18418141It's not just Hollywood. Doesn't Girls Und Panzer feature German tanks?
>>18420166Normies never cared about GuP which cannot be said for the History Channel and Hollywood which pushed the mythologization of German weaponry in WW2.
