>both were gods born from mortal women>both have a divine relation to wine>both died and came back from the dead>both travelled with their followers from city to cityDid christians really copy everything from the Greeks?
>>18418667It goes even deeper than that:>Both have names that we can now write using the Latin alphabet.
>>18418678Stop pretending that you are a retard, these are not mere coincidences.
>>18418667Yes there were a lot of salvific cult religions in the Mediterranean with a number of shared features. Christianity is the one that decided to go mainstream.
>>18418871Stop being a dipshit pretending that "died and came back from the dead" (the strongest claim about Jesus) is even remotely similar in the two cases
The Greeks didnt make everything themselves either.
>>18418667>>both were gods born from mortal womenThat's only true of some versions of Dionysus' myth.>>both have a divine relation to wineWhat the fuck does this even mean? It's the Mediterranean, fucking everyone had a relation to wine save ascetics. Also, Jesus also has a divine relation to bread, fish and water. If Jesus is a copy of Dionysus where did those relations come from?>>both died and came back from the deadDionysus did not come back from the dead, he was killed and Zeus turned him into a constellation.>>both travelled with their followers from city to cityThis count as a parallel? The fuck? Also Dionysus didn't have followers.
Jesus is god. Before dionysus he was who was.
>>18419053I'm on your side with him overstating the similarities, the theological Jesus absorbed many traits common to cult religions at that time and place and I think the desire to pick one specific one and say "Jesus is just X" comes more from a desire to undermine Christianity as a faith than to honestly discuss the historical and religious milieu of early Christianity, but Dionysus definitely did have followers. The maenads were kind of a big deal. Dionysus seems to have had a number of "rejection myths", where he and his followers arrive at a place to spread the good news/the bounty of wine, are rejected, and then the inhabitants of that place are punished. They even ritually consumed raw flesh, although Dionysian omophagia seems to have had a dramatically different theological meaning than the eucharist. So yeah the desire to "out" Jesus as a 1-1 copy is misguided and, I suspect, comes from a place of hostility to actually historical study of religion. Trying to find the single source of which jesus is a carbon copy leads to overemphasising pretty minor details or searching for similarities that aren't there. Comparing maenads to the apostles is pretty inane, but sorry I'm just too autistic to not contest the statement that Dionysus didn't have followers even though I think we probably agree on anon overstating the similarities.
>>18419053>That's only true of some versions of Dionysus' mythEvery account has him being the son of the mortal woman Semele.> What the fuck does this even mean? It's the Mediterranean, fucking everyone had a relation to wine save ascetics. Also, Jesus also has a divine relation to bread, fish and water. If Jesus is a copy of Dionysus where did those relations come from?Only Dionysus is specially the god of wine though.>Dionysus did not come back from the dead, he was killed and Zeus turned him into a constellation.He was revived from the dead. Actually read Greek myth for once.>This count as a parallel? The fuck? Also Dionysus didn't have followers.He did, they were called the Bacchantes.
>>18419092>Every account has him being the son of the mortal woman Semele.So he's a demigod? So not like Jesus then.>Only Dionysus is specially the god of wine though.Which if anything makes him even more distinct from Jesus. Jesus has multiple associations, not just with wine, so the fact that he shares this with Dyonisus is accidental.>He was revived from the dead. Actually read Greek myth for once.Cite the myth, he was just turned into a constellation, that is not resurrection unless you stretch the definition of being resurrected to an absurd degree. That would be like saying someone resurrected because somebody made a statue of them.>the Bacchantes.You mean the story that makes him sound even less like Jesus?
>>18418667>copy everything from the Greeks?Im pretty sure they copied a few things from the jews.
If god is real can he give me a cute wife?
>>18419167Do you deserve a cute wife?
>>18419092>>18419099You're both being doofuses about this because acting like a single canonical Dionysus exists at all requires a fundamental misunderstanding of ancient religion. Dionysus was a figure featured in dozens, possibly hundreds, or religions. His personality is maintained, but the details vary drastically. The orphic version of Dionysus syncretises him with an earlier agriculture deity zagreus, and in that version he is the source of humanity's divine soul, his death at the hands of the titans as Dionysus-Zagreus is what results in the creation of humanity. Obviously this isn't compatible with other human creation myths, such as the tradition that prometheus created humankind. The orphic dionysus is thrice born, which contrasts with the twice born story at the centre of the cult referenced in The Bacchae. The tradition that Dionysus retrieved Hephaestus from the underworld would require Hephaestus to have not been an Olympian until after Thebes was already a city. But Athenian religious tradition holds that Hephaestus was present at the birth of Athena, which must have been before the Titanomachy if she killed the titan Pallas to make his skin in to the Aegis. Athena who was born fully armed and grown from Zeus after he swallowed Metis, his first wife. Meaning that his child of a human woman retrieved the child of his 3rd wife who later was present at the birth of his child with his first wife. And who was also at some point a little girl with a childhood playmate who was also the source of her title Pallas. Contradictions, pluralities, and signs of synthesis are common. Hera's childhood in Homer doesn't seem compatible with Hesiod. Aphrodite has at least 2 births, and pausanias mentions at least 5 different cultic interpretations of Aphrodite. The timeline of the Trojan War needs at least 1 extra decades jammed in. You can't pretend that ancient religions were dogmatic and scripturally consistent. That is a quirk of Abrahamic religion.
>>18419185>You're both being doofuses about this because acting like a single canonical Dionysus exists at all requires a fundamental misunderstanding of ancient religion.Hey I'm not the one doing that, it's mythicists like OP that act as if there's one single canonical version of Dyonisus that we can compare to Jesus and the Gospels.
Bump.
>>18418667Apollonius oif Tyana is a much better fit if you are going to be doing this nonsense.
>>18419977Except that all the information about him postdates Jesus, so mythicists don't touch him.
>>18420044Well the only extant source does. But fair enough. But there's still probably some hellenistic sage you could pick out.
