Why did NYC turn into brazil for a few decades?
>>18418711I think it was due to industrial decline. New York City once had 15% of the country's manufacturing workers. You can see a bunch of old factories and warehouses that have been repurposed into office space or apartments, but it used to be a rougher and more blue-collar place generally, and then the industrial base declined and the city went bankrupt by the 1970s.https://youtu.be/DN8dH41a69U
>>18418711It can't be truly brazil if they aren't worshippers of magical blacks
>>18418711Not all of NYC's population groups suffered similar rates of violence. NYC's white, Jewish, East Asian, and Indian/South Asian populations were not as affected. The murder rate among (and against) the city's black and Caribbean hispanic (ie, Puerto Rican and Dominican) populations is what really exploded.
>>18418711The entire country was like this. NYC at least declined to a reasonable rate thanks to Rudy Giuliani, but many American cities remain very dangerous to this day.
>>18418863NYC should never have had hispanics in it, it's a travesty
>>18418711The same reason many other cities had an explosion in crime at that time. The government tried to force integration of negroes into white neighborhoods and whites were legally barred from resisting, therefore the whites abandoned those neighborhoods and entire cities, leaving only poor negroes remaining, who were inordinately violent. The proliferation of drugs played a part as well.
>>18418863This is all relative to other races. Yes the ratio between white criminality and black criminality was the same as today, but both had higher crime rates than they do today respectively. Lilywhite states were not spared from the crime wave even if they obviously were not as severely affected.
>>18418711São Paulo city recorded its lowest homicide rate in history in 2024, with 4.36 intentional homicides per 100,000 inhabitants.New York City's homicide rate was approximately 4.5 per 100,000 residents in 2024, following a recorded rate of 4.7 in 2023.
>>18418889Rio is the equivalent of NYC, not saw pablo
>>184188894.5 is below the US as a whole, and for a city with only 30% non-hispanic whites it's actually very low. Chicago is at about 15 homicides per 100k
>>18418877Boomers grew up breathing leaded air and were doing hardcore drugs in their adolescence.
>>18418869Things have gotten a lot safer though. We're basically living with 1950s level homicide rates right now. There was a weird, half-chubby spike during COVID though. The 1980s/1990s were a grittier time.
>>18418923There are cities in America today that are still very dangerous. St. Louis has a higher homicide rate than Honduras, yes even today.
>>18418863Arrest aren't convinction you dumb piece of shit.Why don't you show the stats of the groups more likely to wrongfully convicted for a crime?
>>18418960Every year the DOJ conducts a national victimization survey - basically collecting data about crimes by asking the victims about it. And every year, the proportion of black perpetrators reported in the survey matches that of arrest stats. So if there's a grand racist conspiracy to go after black people, crime victims themselves would have to be complicit in it every year - according to you.
>>18418966You are dumbfuck that can't even read statsb got it
>>18418923A lot of the reduction in homicide rates comes from improvements in medical technology. This makes it extremely difficult to compare crime rate data because the homicide rate's basically the only thing that can't be gamed or manipulated somehow
>>18418966>Doubles down on his stupidity https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/national-registry-of-exonerations-annual-report-finds-majority-of-exonerees-are-people-of-color-and-official-misconduct-is-the-main-cause-of-wrongful-convictions
>>18418977>>18418990As told by crime victims:
>>18418983Aggravated assaults are down from their peak in the 80s-90s too, and better emergency medical care can't cover those.
>>18418947Yeah there are a bunch of cities with persistent issues, though they're usually following a downward trend, sometimes significantly more than most cities. Baltimore for example is WAY down, like 60%. Carjackings and non-lethal shootings too.
>>18418893Säo Paulo is bigger and culturally more equivalent to NYC from what I've heard
>>18418966>And every year, the proportion of black perpetrators reported in the survey matches that of arrest stats.An arrest isn't a conviction, no conviction=no crime commited> So if there's a grand racist conspiracy to go after black peopleYeah it's called racism
>>18419061I'm glad we settled this: Crime victims(including black victims) are complicit in a conspiracy to arrest black people. And those surplus black people are then exonerated anyway, the prison population is totally proportionate to the general public. Thanks for clarifying your delusions to all of us, anon.
>>18419000That doesn't really disprove that black people are more likely to be wrongfully convicted.Learn how to read stats next time /pol/turd and most importantly learn the difference between arrests and convictions.
>>18419069>That doesn't really disprove that black people are more likely to be wrongfully convicted.That's not the heart of the matter, the topic at hand is relative criminality between races, and the victimization survey erases any doubt - blacks commit violent crime at disproportionate levels. That is an airtight fact. The best you can do is claim that police/judicial racism cause the disproportionality to appear larger than it actually, but claiming there is disproportionality at all would be outright false.
>>18419066>Crime victims(including black victims) are complicit in a conspiracy to arrest black people.Lmao you were caught falsely presenting stats and now you engaging in mental gymnastics>And those surplus black people are then exonerated anywayBecause they were wrongfully convicted
>>18419078>but claiming there is disproportionality at all would be outright false.claiming there is no* disproportionality at all would be outright false.
>>18419079>Lmao you were caught falsely presenting statsYou can download the report here: https://bjs.ojp.gov/library/publications/criminal-victimization-2024Download the 'data tables' zip and then open the file called "cv24t11", that's where the magic is.
>>18419078>That's not the heart of the matter,Hmmm no if I'm wrongfully convicted for a crime that means I didn't commit it>blacks commit violent crime at disproportionate levels.Baseless statements>That is an airtight factNope>The best you can do is claim that police/judicial racism cause the disproportionality to appear larger than it actually, but claiming there is disproportionality at all would be outright false.Black people account for the majority of exonerations this in an actual fact.
>>18418711>Why did NYC turn into brazil for a few decades?LBJ and the Dems "Great Society" welfare chickens came home to roost.
>>18419086>Baseless statementsSee >>18419081>Black people account for the majority of exonerations this in an actual fact.Not nearly to erase disproportionality. Arrest data, victimization data, prison population before pre-exonerations, prison population post-exonerations - all show the same picture: Blacks commit violent crime at disproportionate level.
>>18419081I can't tell if you are genuinely stupid, malicious or both.You keep dancing around the fact that most of those "black" crimes turned out to be wrongful convictions
>>18419091Since you can't follow the conversation, I'll try to explain slowly: These aren't arrest statistics, these are figures from a yearly survey the DOJ conducts of crime victims, including of crimes that were never reported to police. Everything in that report is entirely from the victims' mouths, no policing/judicial bias effect to be found. And they report black offenders are more than twice their proportion in the general public.
Man at least the "blacks are violent because they're poor" cope acknowledges the reality on the ground. Claiming that blacks don't commit more crime per capita at all is just kooky.
>>18419090>Not nearly to erase disproportionality61% of people exonareted in 2024 were black but sure>Arrest data, victimization data, prison population Irrelevant if over 50% were wrongfully conviction
>>1841910461% of exonerations being black is not over 50% of black criminals being exonerated. In 2024 a grand total of 110 people were exonerated of a violent crime. For perspective, that same year about 2 million blacks were arrested for violent crimes.
>>18419111I think anon's point is that if so many exonerated people are black, they're probably overrepresented among the falsely accused.
>>18419111>61% of exonerations being black is not over 50% of black criminals being exonerated.Who said it was?>For perspective, that same year about 2 million blacks were arrested for violent crimes.And how many of them actually convincted and exonareted?
>>18419111I should correct myself - 2 million arrests of blacks have been made, perhaps it would be too outlandish to claim 2 million individual blacks were arrested. >>18419114The number of exonerations is a pitiful and negligible proportion which doesn't dent the larger picture, so there's no reason to suspect the 'falsely accused' would be any different. I will stress again, the victimization survey is literally just a survey, not a catalog of active cases or convictions. Sometimes it involves crimes that were never even reported to the police. So basically the insinuation here is that a large chunk of respondents have a super-specific agenda to skew apparent crime statistics in a little-known DOJ survey. Or... They're just telling the truth which aligns with every other statistic out there.>>18419120As I said, a total of 110 people were exonerated of a violent crime in 2024, a meaningless number which doesn't affect anything. Around 55-60% of violent crime cases result in conviction across *all* racial groups, with differences only in ranges of 5%, not nearly enough to offset disproportionate black criminality.
>>18419130>As I said, a total of 110 people were exonerated of a violent crime in 2024And as I said an arrest isn't a conviction >a meaningless number which doesn't affect anything.Except that isn't it shows that black people are more likely to be wrongfully convicted by than white people by quite a lot.>Around 55-60% of violent crime cases result in conviction across *all* racial groupsAnd black people tend to be the most wrongfully convicted when it come to violent crimes as many studies show
>>18419151Also the the total of exonerees was 147 but whatever
>>18418889As a São Paulo native, I'll be the first to say that those stats definitely aren't 100% accurate. I don't trust the police to be accurately measuring anything that happens in Favelas like Paraisópolis, and I certainly won't trust the police to record any data on crimes pertaining to organized crime like the PCC. Homicide is pretty unheard of in my neighborhood (Pinheiros) sure, but I'm well aware that I live in a bubble isolated from the marginais living in the rougher outskirts
>>18418947that's true, but does Honduras have anything like the City Museum?Didn't think so.
>>18419158'Exonerated' also doesn't mean 'innocent.' Quite a few 'exonerees' in the US are given that status for procedural or technical reasons. Several have been arrested for other crimes following release, indicating that they were guilty pieces of shit who got away with it.Look into the demise of 'the Innocence Project' for several examples of this trend.
>>18418960It's very very very very very rare for someone to be arrested for murder but be innocent. If you're arrested for murder you're getting convicted
>>18419151NTA but he's clearly winning this debate. He's got multiple sources which agree. Your response feels more like somebody looking for any straw to grasp to defend a position. It's quite absurd to say tons of murders by other races are pinned on innocent Black people.
>>18419319How rare exactly?
hope these useful labels explain it for you, OP
>>18419103It's a universal feature. People will pretend it's just American blacks or something. NO, dead wrong. All black societies.
>>18418863black people were always there and they are still there, race doesn't explain the spike
>>18418947St Louis was alway s dangerous, it is the birth place of the Mafia
>>18418711Thats what you get when you dont slaughter the paleolithic part of your population like Europe or China.
>>18419158147 for all crimes, 110 for violent crimes>>18419436See >>18418877
>>18419321>He's got multiple sources which agree.The source he used is about violent crime committed between individuals of different races which are represent a small portion violent crimes. The vast majority of violent crime happens within intraracial which means offenders are of the same race of the victim and if we look at the numbers we see that rates are similar between both black and white people.
>>18419524Here is a publication about crime committed between intraracial groupshttps://sk.sagepub.com/ency/edvol/raceandcrime/chpt/intraracial-crime#_
>>18418711I have a suspicion that its related to mentally ill not being housed and taken care of properly
>>18419078>the topic at hand is relative criminality between races, and the victimization surveyViolent crimes committed between interracial groups represent a small percentage of all violent crimes.White supremacists love using this talking without mentioning that the vast majority of violent crimes are perpetrated are among intraracial groups meaning that White people are more likely to be victims of a crime committed by other white people.Get a better talking point chud
>>18419394Dilate
>>18419524>>18419686I have no idea where you got thatfrom. Every source is about all violent crime. Both inrerracial and Intraracial crimes are still disproportionately black.
>the police wrongfully arrest them!>the courts wrongfully convict them!>even the victims wrongfully identify them!>u-uhh actually your sources are only about interracial crimes even though the figures are in the millions proving otherwise!This guy's excuses are relentless
>>18419796>Both inrerracial and Intraracial crimes are still disproportionately black.Show me
>>18419444Why simp?
>>18419692Black or European, call it.
A huge influx of blacks from the south and browns from the Caribbean coincided with New York’s slow decline as a manufacturing and shipping center. There was no longer a need for endless unskilled labor that might have helped these people from rustic backgrounds find a useful place in the city as in earlier times. Drugs, gangs, the welfare state and permissive social mores created a perfect shitstorm that peaked during the crack cocaine era. Nowadays NYC is relatively safe thanks to a police force bigger than all but a handful of the world’s largest armies and gentrification that’s driven most scofflaws to isolated outer borough ghettos.
>>18419836It's shown in the statistics, which cover all violent crime.
Wait you think that because there's data for both offender and victim that means it has to be only interracial crimes? Are you retarded or something?
>>18419891Just read it , it states that 27% or so crime of the violent incidents were black but doesn't say anything about the rate of intraracial crime being higher and it definitely doesn't match arrest stats (over 50%) as you claimed above.
>>18420020>Just read it , it states that 27% or so crime of the violent incidents were black but doesn't say anything about the rate of intraracial crime being higherIt doesn't say anything about either interracial or intraracial crimes because it covers both at once you mouthbreather. >it definitely doesn't match arrest stats (over 50%) as you claimed aboveI never said it was over 50%, I believe the 13/50 is about all crimes and not just violent ones, and blacks excel at property crimes. Also, as I said here >>18419078 policing bias could make disproportionality appear larger, but it doesn't mean the disproportionality doesn't exist at all. Disporportionately higher violent crimes by 2.3 over their population - while no other racial group crosses above 1.1 - is a good thing to you?
>>18420028>It doesn't say anything about either interracial or intraracial crimes because it covers both at once you mouthbreather.Then it isn't about the rate at which people perpetrate violent crimes against other people of the same race? Then why the fuck didn't say it before?I never said it was over 50%,You said they match arrest rates which is higher than 27% unless I missing something>policing bias could make disproportionality appear larger, but it doesn't mean the disproportionality doesn't exist at all.I'm not arguing about the causes if I did I would be talking about the impacts of poverty but in the site it's a waste of time, I thought you were solely talking about violent crime rates among interracial groups since you said "relative criminality between races">is a good thing to you?Anon suck a sock
>>18420055>I thought you were solely talking about violent crime rates among interracial groups since you said "relative criminality between races"Then it all boils down to your lack of reading comprehension? Why then when I said>blacks commit violent crime at disproportionate levels. That is an airtight fact.Your response was:>Baseless statementsIf you readily acknowledge it now?
>>18420084>If you readily acknowledge it now?Sure after I suck you off
>>18419079They're rightfully convicted. The problem is that these people are willful and deliberate criminals who did not grow up in countries, or subsequently families, where things work the way that educated, white westerners expect in civilization. They continue to behave like pavement apes and its having a knock-on effect for our entire society.In a right and just world, every single one of them would be in jail or deported out of the country without exception. The problem is actually that YOU have a bias against shit working because you hate white people and the only society that works properly is a society built entirely of white people.
>>18420096Not him, but I'd rather live in my 50% white state than many 90%+ white countries.
>>18420106Nrighborhoods are self-segregated. Most likely you live in a suburb. If you're a single able-bodied man then even the city proper might be tolerable, but it's out of the question for families, hence "white flight".
>>18420112If it's a town below a certain size or a city with small neighborhoods, sure neighborhoods are distinct but you kinda have to try hard to avoid both the non-white neighborhoods and their inhabitants. Unless you live in an area with a lot of gang violence or other such issues you've probably fine.
