The Christian version of the afterlife clearly has Roman-Hellenic pagan influenceLooking at chapter VI of the AeneidHeaven is ElysiumHell is TartarusThe general place in Hades is Purgatory The place before the crossing of the Styx is LimboThis is really fleshed out here.I mean it's not exactly the same but very similar.
>>18418900I wonder how that could have happened.
>>18418900This seems to be an indoeuropean concept. The same reason why the buddhist heaven and especially the buddhist hell realms are similar. There is even something like a river Styx in buddhism. Even Japan has it. They call it the Sanzu river.
>>18418900Elysium is Europe, land of the white, ruled by the gods that sired the light, chiefly Zeus.Tartarus is hell, ruled by the white whose godly father is Hades, ruling over the land whose native inhabitants are the dark demons of hell. there was more, Poseidon, etc... but atlantis went under about 12k years ago. The idea that heaven and hell are for the dead is nonsense, a modern heresy.
The OG Jews didn't even have the concept of "Hell" anon. There is no hell in the oldest books of the bible. They plagurized hell from the Greek pagans.
>>18418996Even the Greek conception of the afterlife doesn't match hell as we know it. The Greek underworld is grim and unpleasant but it isn't a place of posthumous punishment that exists in opposition to a place of reward based on moral behaviour like heaven and hell.Bronze age hellenic society valued arete and kleos above all else in men, and even Achilles ended up in the underworld and gets a to deliver in no uncertain terms in the Odyssey how much it fucking sucks to be dead. Tartarus and the elysian fields existed within their cosmology, but they were extremely exclusive. To end up in the elysian fields you basically had to marry in to a divine family, it doesn't seem to have been considered a reward for moral behaviour. Likewise Tartarus contained people being punished, but the canonical sins that get you in to tartarus are primarily related to personally disrespecting the divine (or murdering your husband if you are a Danaid).I don't think this is a hot take but I'm of the opinion that the notion of realms of posthumous reward in the Christian tradition originate in Egypt's duat/weighing of the heart/field of reeds belief. The hellenes were dissatisfied with the homeric afterlife and founded mystery religions that got initiates in to VIP clubs in the afterlife, Plato at least seemed concerned that the homeric afterlife would not motivate moral behaviour in this life, hence the inclusion of th myth of Er in his dialogue about what a just society would look like. Whether that dissatisfaction arose independently of Egypt and was syncretised by the late classical period or was a result of exposure to Egyptian religion I have no idea. I haven't extensively studied Roman notions of the afterlife, but ought to. Roman religion seems to have been much more focused on the creation of values that aligned with the state. Rome adopted the naming conventions of hellenism but I suspect the Roman take was more moralistic and explicitly punitive than the greek one.
>>18418900Hellenists also believed in reincarnation.
>>18418900that idea long predated Virgil. Most people are surprised to discover that the idea that when you die good people go to heaven and bad people go to hell isn't in the bible. It is however in The Phaedo by Plato.
>>18418996>They plagurized hell from the Greek pagans.modern christian conceptions of heaven and hell are really more based on zoroastrian concepts than hellenic ones
>>18418900How else are you supposed to explain the Fathers many mansions to hellenists in pauls day?
>>18418996Christian hell in normie minds and media is just Tartarus or Naraka.
>>18418904That vision of hell is lacking in Vedic religion/Hinduism as well, it seems to have been a Greco-Buddhist invention passed along with sculptural styles and whatnot, all the way to Japan.This was a surprisingly common route, see also East Asia adopting the Greco-Roman (or Perso-Babylonian) concept of a 7 day week following the 7 luminaries, even keeping the exact planetary correspondences for each day, and yet this spread dodged South Asia (it saw very limited adoption in India.)
>>18419624Both of those spreads have also been attributed to Manichean imports, alternatively.
If all the philosophy of world-religions points to something after death when where did the "lights out, over" meme shit come from?
>>18419630Reason.
>>18419632Plato didn't utilize Reason when writing the Phaedo?
