Do examples such as Battle of Dien Bien Phu show that the military success of Westerners in modernity were essentially just due to technological superiority post-industrial revolution, and not to do with some kind of innate warrior prowess as some like to claim?
>>18419036No it shows what happens when you have a retarded commander that makes his troops set up in a valley while never patrolling the hills around you
>were essentially just due to technological superiority post-industrial revolutionyeah pretty much. If you were to, say, drop a couple thousand Brit Redcoats into the middle of the Zulu Empire or areas overrun by the Chinese boxers with only their rifle bayonets but no ammunition, it'd be like dropping bread crumbs on a swarming anthill.
pray tell why were white people technologically superior in the first place? did the technology just fall from the sky upon white mens heads???
>>18419036It shows the fallacy of Airpower being enough to win any battle
>>18419088faustian bargain, that they are paying for now, but have to respect the play to win mentality all the same, props therein terms of actual "warrior spirit" though, western europeans are for sure the inferiors of the central and eastern europeans, much less east asiansa PVA regiment in korea, for instance, suffered casualties and physical deprivations that would have shattered 10 divisions of a conventional western force
>>18419145although i mostly agree with you, there are some exceptions. French divisions during WW1 easily displayed a borderline suicidal fighting spirit and cohesion to match that of, say, the PVA in Korea. For the first three years, anyway.
>>18419145Third worlder says this while Erik Prince's men settled onto Haiti and basically run their piece of the pie thanks to better training and better use of available technology
>>18419036French élan & underestimating the yellows, combined with retarded leadership + getting rugpulled by Americans
>>18419163not >>18419145 but i somehow have my doubts about Haitians' ability to be classified as central europeans or east asians
>>18419136Curtis Lemay, then secretary of the US Airforce proposed supporting the French by dropping "tactical nuclear weapons" on the Vietnamese positions. This was rejected, but I wonder what impact it would have had.
>>18419220permanently ruined the US's diplomatic leverage and international reputation and boosted North Vietnamese recruitment rates by 500%
>>18419220Or France could have comitted enough troops to patrol around the base and prevent your enemy from establishing entrenched guns which would compromise the position of the base and could not be able to be bombed out of position
>>18419258this is all just nitpicking though, the reality is western armies being defeated on the battlefield in the absence of overwhelming advantagessee Fall of Singapore for a similar example, which was a shock at the time to the British elitesIt's one thing to lose to , another entirely to lose to a Japanese force 1/3 your size from an entrenched position
>>18419220It would have been fun.
>>18419036wars are about killing the enemies and winning
>>18419314false, as clausewitz says, war is a continuation of policy by other meanswithout strategic goals, war is just chimpout in the state of natureobsession with KDA ratio is cope for LOSING
>>18419358another then
>>18419036It shows that the French can't fight (something we already know).
>>18419358We're talking about war anon. What the fuck does politics have to do with that?
