How do Protestants know which books are in the Bible?
>>18419994Moses, Prophets, Good news of Christ, I will send apostles. Flawless word, there. Look up each
>>18420019>I know which books are in the Bible because the Bible said xyou must understand what the problem is with that line of thought, right?
>>18419994Their first pope Martin told them.
>>18419994Nicene Christianity doesn't contradict Protestantism. Noting for example that observing Easter has secondary value(if prima scriptura) or no value at all(if scriptura sola) because nowhere in the bible is it commanded to be observed, is not the same as challenging the biblical canon. Surely you understand that distinction.
>>18419994Luther didnt really have a problem with the church as an establishment but rather its practicesThis is why he formed his own casino
>>18419994They follow the advice of St. Jerome: "When in doubt, consult the Hebrews"
>>18420378Meaning the letter or the people?
>>18420378>They follow the advice of St. JeromeSo why don't they venerate Mary?
>>18420378>Saint Jeromesince they're Protestants, "Saint" according to who?
>>18420483The latter, more generally meaning that he trusted the authority of the MT over the LXX (i.e. he quite disliked the Deuterocanon).>>18420445High Mariology postdates St. Jerome by centuries.>>18420483Plenty of prottie sects have saints, including Lutherans and Anglicans.
>>18420661Anglicans have female clergy and embrace faggots, they're not Christians.
>>18419994Reason, inspiration by the holy spirit, which is the same process the early church used.
>>18420661>High Mariology postdates St. Jerome by centuriesAnd Jerome would have totally accepted it since he was massively into the sanctity and perpetual virginity of Mary (see Against Jovinian)
>>18420725Perpetual virginity is super low Mariology. St, Jerome also praised the sanctity of Joseph, who he thought was also a perpetual virgin (and dismissed the Protoevangelium because of this), because the Earthly trinity of virgins in Jesus, Joseph and Mary had to complement the divine Trinity. I'd argue you have to go at least to 500 AD when the first solid traditions of Mary's Dormition (and her life spared of original sin, as currently taught in the Western Church) emerge.>>18420668I pray that the line of succession of your bishop does not descend from Apostle Junia and if it does, that there was a valid co-consecrator involved in the laying of hands.
I'd add that the ~4th century idea of "perpetual virginity" is different from the current Catholic teaching. The modern Eastern Orthodox churches, for example, don't think that God needed to save Mary from original sin during her conception, as they believe the entire concept of original sin is based on poor eisegesis of the Greek in the Epistle to the Romans by St. Augustine. Hence she died like a normal mortal, but ascended to heaven due to her sinlessness, and call the Ever-Virgin's virginity "Perpetual Virginity" despite quite a huge disagreement with Rome.
>>18420661Technically all Christian denominations have "saints" as the word doesn't actually mean "Christian Bodhisattva" like most Catholic and Orthodox laypeople treat it as. It is really only meant to refer to someone in heaven, and is straight up used in the Bible itself under that definition. Even official Cathlodox doctrine uses this definition, hence why they call it "confirmation" of a Saint. Basically saying "We have done the research and confirmed this person has gone to heaven". Hence why only dead people can be saints, since you can't very well be in heaven if you're still alive.
>>18420820Lutherans agree with the definition that Saints are in Heaven.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calendar_of_saints_(Lutheran)
>>18420850That's what I just said.
We may be moved and induced by the testimony of the Church to an high and reverent esteem of the holy Scripture; and the heavenliness of the matter, the efficacy of the doctrine, the majesty of the style, the consent of all the parts, the scope of the whole (which is to give all glory to God), the full discovery it makes of the only way of man’s salvation, the many other incomparable excellencies, and the entire perfection thereof, are arguments whereby it doth abundantly evidence itself to be the Word of God; yet, notwithstanding, our full persuasion and assurance of the infallible truth, and divine authority thereof, is from the inward work of the Holy Spirit, bearing witness by and with the Word in our hearts.
>>18420820>It is really only meant to refer to someone in heaven, and is straight up used in the Bible itself under that definition.Technically it properly refers to someone who has been justified by the death of Christ and is accordingly used to refer to living persons in scripture.
>How do Protestants know which books are in the Bible?Same as Catholics, they pick one up and look through it.
>>18419994Historical evidence, same way as determining what books that, say, Cassius Dio wrote. It's a historical claim about Apostolic authorship or approval of a document.
>>18420756So was Augustine a heretic?
>>18421691To some Easteen Orthodox, yes. He did convert to Manicheanism upon reaching adulthood, and after ten years as a Manichean continued hopping between pagan philosophies like skepticism and neoplatonism before meeting Ambrose of Milan and converting back to Christianity, his childhood faith. Protestants generally follow the Augustinian concept of original sin very closely, so they're forced to speak highly of him even if they're the sort of low church non-apostolic protties that speak ill of Rome and/or the Church Fathers, like the average American baptist does.https://orthodoxwiki.org/Augustine_of_Hippo>Despite these acclamations, most of his works were not translated into Greek until circa 1360 by Demetrios Cydones and some Orthodox Christians identify errors in his theology—especially those in his Triadology which gave rise to the Filioque addition to the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed—and regard him as being one of the major factors in the Great Schism between the Church in the East and in the West. Thus, there are those among the Orthodox who regard Augustine as a heretic, although there has never been any conciliar condemnation of either him or his writings.>More moderate views regard Augustine as (1) a theological writer who made too many mistakes to be included among the Church Fathers but still a saint, (2) a theological writer among many in the early Church (but not a saint), and (3) a theological writer with, perhaps, the title "Blessed" before his name.
>>18421876Baptist types typically speak lowly of Augustine, since they usually delusionally believe he invented infant baptism for Constantine, and they usually hate Calvinism (which they also think he invented). Calvinists and Lutherans usually think highly of Augustine, but they also typically don’t think lowly of the church fathers in general.
>>18421920Is that why Baptist / Protvangelical dropouts go EO when they realize how shallow their faith is
>>18421920Well yeah it's basically a performative dance to show they're anti-papist or whatever, but the irony is that the credobaptist "Enjoy Hell! :)" types are pretty much Augustinian in their concept of sin.>>18421949I think the WASP-to-Orthodox pipeline folks just crave the bells and whistles of high church service and the meditative space it provides, but hate the idea of being nice to brown people or the poor, and has little to do with hate of any Church Fathers in particular. Most of the Fathers are shared between the West and the East after all. They're forced to choose between the EO churches they consider the least brown (often the Russian or Greek ones). When they find the community they join to be rather hostile to strangers and there's no tradwife to be found, they start daydreaming of taking a vow of chastity and spending the rest of their lives on Mt. Athos.
>>18420041Why are we still seething about most preserved ancient text? Did Abraham not say what he said? I guess Jews and what they do don't factor in anything anymore? If only guys saved that nitpicking energy for socialism or whatever. Oh well. I guess back to ziomaxxing until maybe they'll get it. We don't need to act as if the Bible isn't tried and tested because you didn't put in the work. No looking smart for you. Nah.
