Jesus was no more than a prophet. He was someone who prophesied the future. The messiah is an entirely different person who must transform the world into a messianic age. Jesus did not accomplish this.1. There is no new covenant yet. The new covenant is when everyone in the world worships Yahweh, and everyone knows God exists. This was not fulfilled in Christianity because it is faith based, not knowledge based. You need to believe Jesus existed in order to enter Heaven. The messiah does not need to be believed in, because everyone knows he exists, and the existence of God is proven through him. Even atheists would become theists.2. There is no world peace. The new covenant is also a time when all wars miraculously end, and there is worldwide peace. No one commits sin anymore, everyone obeys Yahweh's law, and he forgives everyone's sins permanently. We don't live in this kind of world yet so this obviously hasn't happened yet. Jesus himself predicted more wars would come before the coming of the son of man (the true messiah).3. Christianity's second coming of Christ is the only attempt at portraying Jesus as the king messiah of Judaism, and still it's not certain if it's even describing Jesus or someone else "he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself." When almost everyone knows the name of Jesus.Add to this the fact that "the son of God" is a metaphorical title in the Bible, not a literal description of a divine nature like the trinity doctrine teaches. The messiah, even with his authority, is still a human who is entirely subservient to Yahweh's power.
>>18420186The Jews completely misunderstood the Messiah, the New Covenant, and the Messianic Age. Jesus came to slap them all in the face and show them what God actually wants from humanity.
Who's gonna tell him Jesus of Nazareth was like... Simply a dude basically?
>>18420204The "Jews" (Judeans at the time) were reading their scripture. I don't just mean the enemies of Jesus, but even his apostles. Everyone expected a king who would fulfill the messianic prophecies, and Jesus never was that.
>>18420212>The "Jews" (Judeans at the time) were reading their scripture.And completely reading it wrong. Which is why Jesus had to correct them all the time.And they're still seething to this day.
>>18420216What would be the right way to read this prophecy? Everyone in the time of Jesus understood that this was what the messiah had to do.
>>18420222>What would be the right way to read this prophecy?This is an end times prophesy, which is to be fulfilled in His second coming.
>>18420228>in His second comingThis is how we return to my original point that the historical Jesus in no way matched the description of the messiah. Now there has to a "second coming" of Christ where in the case of Revelation 19 "he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself." (Therefore someone entirely different from Jesus who is the actual messiah)Therefore Jesus was a prophet who prophesied a future messiah.
>>18420186go fuck the goats achmed
>>18420253Denounce the talmud, herzl and zionism
>>18420249>This is how we return to my original point that the historical Jesus in no way matched the description of the messiah.He did, the Gospels point every time a prophesy is fulfilled. Sine were fuflilled in his first coming, others will in His Second.>Revelation 19>he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himselfThat is the Hidden name of the Son. Jesus is just the name he gave to mankind.
>>18420186No god but Allah
>>18420253The Quran claims that Jesus was the messiah. They don't explain how he was the messiah either. At least in Christianity there has to be a "second coming", where someone (not necessarily a 2000 year old man) is the real messiah. Islam is making the Christian claim that Jesus is the messiah without any evidence to back it up. If Islam claimed that Jesus was only a prophet then I would agree. It's the messiah claim I disagree with.>>18420257>That is the Hidden name of the SonA "new name" from a new messiah. You're just proving my point. The original Jesus was not the messiah. The "second coming of Christ" person is just Christianity's way of justifying their entire religion. They acknowledge that the messiah of Judaism is the correct one, but they create their own messianic tradition to compensate for that.>>18420263If by Allah, you're referring to Yahweh then yes that is correct.
>>18420186Why would god want a a mortal son when god had all those heavenly sons? Job 38:7 when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of god shouted for joy.When his sons came to earth to plant their seed in earthly women and created the nephililim, why wasn't jesus a nephililim when god put his seed in mary?
>>18420290koran is a pile of poop only good for burning
>>18420295But spic until proven jewish, you spelled the Bible wrong
>>18420290>A "new name" from a new messiahNope, an old hidden name, for the same messiah.
>>18420382The Hebrew Bible repeatedly calls the messiah "David". What Christianity did was adopt this, and switch "David" to "Jesus", but neither King David nor Jesus were the messiah. They are simply prophets of the past, and their names a reused to refer to the future king messiah. The messiah is someone entirely new. Resurrecting from crucifixion or ascending to heaven does not make anyone the messiah, there were several prophets who ascended to heaven. The messiah perfects the world, ends all war, killing, and sin. Not in a spiritual sense, but in a literal sense. The messiah and the messianic age arrive at the same time. If there is no messianic age there is no messiah.
>>18420423>The Hebrew Bible-You mean the Jewed Bible? The one Jews specifically altered to remove any and all mentions of Jesus, the Trinity, and anything that supports Christian doctrine?
>>18420434I mean the same Hebrew Bible being used now that was used at the time of Jesus. The same Hebrew Bible that you use to make a case for Jesus being a messiah. That Hebrew Bible makes a case that Jesus is not the messiah.Also, the trinity is such an obvious late retcon when even the Christian new testament taught subordinationism. Don't even mention the old testament, no one even heard of a trinity at the time that was being written. Everyone in Judaism understood that Yahweh alone is Lord.
>>18420423>>18420434>>18420444The messiah is referred to as "David".
>>18420449And Israel is constantly referred to as Jacob.Your point?
>>18420444>I mean the same Hebrew Bible being used now that was used at the time of Jesus.It wasn't. What the Jews have now is the Masoretic text.
>>18420454>They will live in the land I gave to my servant Jacob, the land where your ancestors lived.
>>18420444The Lord is the FatherThe Angel of the Lord, the Name of the Lord are the SonAnd there's the Holy Spirit.There, Trinity.
>>18420476Where is it written that the Angel of the Lord is the messiah? You're confusing everything. The messiah is a man born into the end of times who brings world peace. Anyone from the past is not the messiah. As for the holy spirit, it is God's spirit that he gives prophets to prophesy with. God himself is one, known metaphorically as a "Father" to Israel.
>>18420498>The messiah is a man born into the end of times who brings world peace.That's what Jews think He is, but they're wrong.Maybe Jews should get it through their head that we do not look up to them as authority figures and we read the Scriptures in a different (correct) way.
>>18420513You don't read the scriptures at all. The messiah is a figure that never existed, but might one day exist. Jesus historically might have existed, but he was not in any way the messiah. There is no messiah until there is a messianic age.
>>18420516>You don't read the scriptures at all.I read them daily.
>>18420518I'm sure this is the first time you read this one in your life >>18420449or this one >>18420222Otherwise you would know who the messiah must be, and not whoever claims to be him (like Jesus).
>>18420519>If you read the Bible you'd agree with me!Lul
