>be archaeologist>dig around Sinai for decades>find literally zero evidence of millions of Israelites wandering for 40 years>Exodus not even once>read about Jericho walls falling from trumpet blast>actually check Jericho>city was already destroyed centuries before Joshua would’ve arrived>bible cope intensifies>open Bible>David and Solomon had giga-kingdom with gold, palaces, empire vibes>check archaeological record>barely find a few huts and broken pottery>“unified monarchy” my ass>see Philistines mentioned in Abraham’s time>they didn’t even exist yet>bible.exe has stopped working>global flood with Noah and zoo boat>geology and archaeology: “nah bro, never happened”>no flood layers, no mass extinction, no ark debris>boat story just vibes>look up ancient records from Egypt, Assyria, Babylon>expect epic Bible battles and plagues>records: “who?”>Bible getting ghosted by history>dig in Canaan>expect foreign Israelite invaders>instead find Canaanites slowly evolving into Israelites>“conquest of Canaan” was just a rebrand>analyze Hebrew texts>turns out most were written centuries after events they describe>tfw your holy book is historical fanficThe Torah scribes were so out of world who thought that Joseph (who would have lived between 1900-1800 BC according to Traditional Chronology) was the vizier of Ramses II (1200 BC) and that Abraham (2100-1900 BC) was a contemporary of the Chaldeans (626-556 BC).>"Then Joseph settled his father and his brothers and gave them a possession in the land of Egypt, in the best of the land, in the land of Rameses, as Pharaoh had commanded." (Genesis 47:11)The true historical basis for the story of Joseph ending up a slave in Egypt likely happened during the government of the successor of Ramses II, Merneptah, who conquered Canaan and boasted on his stele: "Israel is made waste, his seed/grain is none."
>>18420565very cool AI greentext
>>18420565egyptian pharoahs wore sandals with jews and nogs on the soles so they could walk on them>kek
>>18420565Large scale, life long chattel slavery wasnt even a thing in ancient Egypt. That was actually a Roman thing that got retroactively applied to everybody else to make the wester marius stu not look as bad as it was.Anyway slavery in ancient egypt was indentured servitude and coerced labor from prisoners/captives, both of whom were often let go after their debt was payed off or the work they were assigned to was completed. So Moses and God killed a bunch innocent children because they didnt want to work of their debts.
>>18421154They were Jewish we get it jeez.
>>18421154>So Moses and God killed a bunch innocent children because they didnt want to work of their debtsI have a theory that didn’t even happen. The story of the exodus could be one of the first recorded instances of jews being expelled from a country and all the shit about slavery and the plagues is a cope to hide that they were kick out for their bullshit.
>>18421210Good point but they probably killed a few children on the way out anyway.
>>18420565>>18421210>The true historical basis for the story of Joseph ending up a slave in Egypt likely happened during the government of the successor of Ramses II, Merneptah, who conquered Canaan and boasted on his stele: "Israel is made waste, his seed/grain is none."The basis of the Joseph and Potiphar's wife story comes from the Egyptian story Tale of Two Brothers, which was penned during the reign of Amenmesses amid the tensions between this usurper king and his brother Seti II.Joseph rising from prison and becoming Chancellor over Egypt under Pharaoh at a time of cultural tension and famine was based on the foreign man named Baya that Pharaoh Seti II placed into power as Chancellor during a time of unrest and famine. The rest of that Biblical character came from Imhotep among countless others from varying Egyptian periods. Israel and his family coming into the land, once again inspired by the events during the reign of Seti II.Pharaoh Siptah killed Baya. A time of chaos fell over Egypt, with foreigners called Hyksos destroying Egypt's traditional religion and values, running the land into chaos. Skip forward to Setnakhte. He rounded these Asiatic people up, put some to work, banished the rest, restored the throne, until his son and successor Ramesses III purged the land amidst the collapse of the Bronze age - a time of plague, pestilence and darkness perhaps due to Hekla-3.
>>18421387>>18421210The Merneptah Stele takes place post-Exodus, which would mean if the Torah was true then Moses already established Israel. There's no way around this. If you assume that it's talking about Hebrews, then it would mean that Moses was lying and the Torah is wrong- there was no ktisis style settlement of Israel. If you accept that the Torah was correct, then it could not possibly be talking about the nomads in the Merneptah stele were led by a guy named Israel.Baya is the most likely candidate for the Shashu Overlord Irsu (which could be an Egyptian way of saying Isra as in Israel) and his followers. This is most likely the same story told by Manetho about Osarseph (with the Osar part being a variation of Isru) and the lepers. The details are also similar, they stole gold and valuables to hire Canaanite reinforcements and left them behind while fleeing Egypt. Manetho said Osarseph was Moses and others think it could also mean Joseph. The reinforcements they meant to hire are the former Hyksos in Canaan in the Manetho version.Twere still a mysterious people listed as Apiru still in the land of Egypt, including today's Deir El-Medinia, holding worker's strikes until eventually the other Ramesside kings either kicked the Apiru out, or let them go. Either way, at some point the Apiru, the Shasu and the Asiatics Setnakhte and Ramesses III expelled were driven into Cana'an by an impatient Egyptian army, as Egypt was dying a slow death.
>>18421387>>18421388>>18421210When they gathered in Canaan, these people got together, shared stories and memories, including the descendants of the Hyksos who had come out of Egypt in a grand Exodus five centuries beforehand. They all got together and formed the People of Israel, spinning their mish-mash of stories and faded memories into the narrative we have today.In other words, from the get go Israel has been a corporate fiction. They were never the people they claim to have been.>Israel Knohl recently proposed to identify Osarseph with Irsu, a Shasu who, according to Papyrus Harris I and the Elephantine Stele, took power in Egypt with the support of "Asiatics" (people from the Levant) after the death of Queen Twosret; after coming to power, Irsu and his supporters disrupted Egyptian rituals, "treating the gods like the people" and halting offerings to the Egyptian deities. They were eventually defeated and expelled by the new Pharaoh Setnakhte and, while fleeing, they abandoned large quantities of gold and silver they had stolen from the temples>Baya, also called Ramesse Khamenteru (died 1192 BC), was an important Asiatic official in ancient Egypt, who rose to prominence and high office under Seti II Userkheperure Setepenre and later became an influential powerbroker in the closing stages of the 19th Dynasty. He used to be possibly identified with Irsu (alt. Arsu, Iarsu, Yarsu) mentioned in the Great Harris Papyrus, although no contemporary source connects Baya with Irsu and the connection has since been disproven due to the differences in the years that they died>This name attributed to Moses, Osarseph, appears only in Manetho, and only in this text, in all ancient literature. Perhaps Osarseph is an Egyptian form of Joseph, in Hebrew Yosef, in which the letters Jo (of Jahweh) are substituted for Osar (Osiris), syncretized with Dionysus/Bacchus that the Greek-Romans called Yahweh
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>>18420565>city was already destroyed centuries before Joshua would’ve arrivedWe don't know when the stories are set, the margin of error is wider than a few centuries. Jericho was "destroyed" multiple times, they just kept rebuilding it. That being said, the conquest of Canaan is pretty well understood to be allegorical at this point.>barely find a few huts and broken potterySouthern Canaan was rife with large cities in the iron age, what are you smoking?
