Was he bad leader?How much of the kmt being corrupt and inefficient is his fault.
>>18421358Dumb nigger lost china to a bunch of commie peasants
>>18421358People really underestimate just how competent he was due to the image Stilwell painted of him in the West. He spend his years prior to Japanese invasion trying to herd feral cats and did a damn good job at it considering the cards he was dealt with. After Japanese invasion, he was pretty much fucked. Not much he could do about the rampant inflation, corruption, and CCP ruling and expanding over the countryside right after WW2. The day Zhang Xueliang kidnapped him was the day he lost to the CCP.All in all, a ruthless yet competent leader who was willing to do absolutely anything to achieve his goal of unifying China under his rule. Strongly recommend reading his biography, The Generalissimo by Jay Taylor.
>>18421358The Republic and KMT was insanely corrupt and he was not the man to purge said corruption
He ultimately failed by fighting the wrong enemy at the wrong time. He purged the communists far to early when he still needdd them to fight the japanese. You can NOT engage in a civil war with your brothers when an external belligerent force seeks to conquer and extinct both of you. He fought against the japanese too late, if he had not scared the commies into the countryside and hiding he wouldn't have lost as many of his own men fighting the japanese.
>>18421574History shows otherwise. His biggest mistake was not wiping out the commies totally before focusing on Japan.
>>18421622>History shows otherwise.History shows Chiang lost, dumbass. And he lost because he put to much pressure on communists and legitimized Mao and the commies as a threat. I get you hate commies and whatnot but you can't just try to kill everyone that you hate. The pragmatists in Chiangs camp kidnapped him and forced him to ally with the communists and fight the japanese because they knew if Chiang focused solely on the communists, the Japanese would continue to rape and pillage China and likely defeat both of them. But you enlighten me, how exactly would have Chiang fully wiped out the communism? When he spent almost an entire decade doing sonand failing?
>>18421656Lost to commies because he didn't wipe them out, you absolute dumbass. If he wiped them out, he wouldn't have lost. Allying with them sooner and strengthening their position in China would have just led to an earlier defeat by the commies, not a victory.Also, he didn't fail to do so at all before Japanese invasion. The Long March to the west was done by the commies precisely because he had defeated them so severely. They were a twindled skeleton crew of a few thousand (when they were previously a rival force of hundreds of thousands) by the time they had arrived in Yan'an. Try to learn some basic facts before pretending to know what you're talking about and maybe you won't across as a retard next time.
>>18421663>Allying with them sooner and strengthening their position in China would have just led to an earlier defeat by the commies, not a victoryNope. The commies were weak when they were under the KMT the first time. Purging the communists is what caused them to gain power and legitimacy in the first place, because he scared them to the country side where they were able to organize.>he didn't fail to do so at all before Japanese invasion. The Long March to the west was done by the commies precisely because he had defeated them so severely.Which is why he lost to the same communists a decade later. He defeated them severely but he did not completely eradicate them which is what matters. He ultimately allowed them to reorganize. The facts show that trying to purge the communists instantly instead of waiting led to his downfall.
>>18421622Chiang couldnt wipe out the commies he tried and lost
>>18421676He purged commies because they infested the KMT ranks and were rapidly gaining power, posing a legitimate threat. But the civil war itself was started by the commies in Nanchang who rapidly grew in power and by the time of the Jiangxi Soviet, they had over 300,000 men. Chiang destroyed them in Jiangxi, forcing them to go on the Long March, where they had only 7,000-10,000 men by the end. By the time of the Xi'an incident, they had not yet recovered their numbers or strength and had only barely grew. By the time of Xi'an, Chiang was in midst of moving and concrentrating forces to destroy them. You're seriously arguing that because Xi'an happened and he didn't get to the opportunity to destroy them, that he never would have had a chance of doing so if Xi'an had not happened? That he went wrong by allying with them and strengthening them? That's severely retarded thinking.>He defeated them severely but he did not completely eradicate them which is what matters. He ultimately allowed them to reorganizeThat's what I'm saying you absolute dumbass. He went wrong by NOT going through with destroying them. Allying with them sooner would not have led to a more favorable outcome. The CCP wanted power and would not have settled with being second place in a united KMT China.
>>18421448How much did Stilwell's slander ruin support for him in the long run
>>18421705>He went wrong by NOT going through with destroying themHe could never fully destroy them, not while the Japanese were still invading. You can't unify China and fight Japan at the same time, that's effectively a two front war. And most of his generals were against attacking the commies, until at least after the japan question was dealt with.>He purged commies because they infested the KMT ranks and were rapidly gaining power, posing a legitimate threat.He purged commies out of his own paranoia. He should've at least waited until commies acted against him first. But Chiang struck first, which makes him seem like the aggressor.>You're seriously arguing that because Xi'an happened and he didn't get to the opportunity to destroy them, that he never would have had a chance of doing so if Xi'an had not happened?I'm arguing that he never had a chance to completely eradicate the commies BEFORE the Japanese question was dealt with. His generals literally prevented him because THEY wanted to fight Japan first, not the commies. Even if Chiang eradicated the commies and was never kidnapped, they would have burned those resources hunting communists but still greatly struggle against the Japanese. They already took the brunt of casualities vs the Japanese in China, had they waited any longer they very well could have lost against the Japanese I think.
>>18421656>the Japanese would continue to rape and pillage ChinaJapan wasn't doing this, rape and pillaging was carried out by Chinese soldiers. Japan was liberating China from KMT dictatorship and CCP bandits.
>>18421773Didn't you get humiliated enough on this subject on that thread you made before?
>>18421663>He lost because he lost, if he didn't loose he would win
>>18421886Room temp IQ detected. Yes, we all know he lost IRL, which is why China has a red flag instead of a blue one. And if he did things differently in hindsight, he might not have lost, thus the discussion on that matter.
>>18421939What could he have done differently
>>18421773Then why did Japanese veterans say that that's what they were doing?
>>18421776What thread?
>>18421965Which Japanese veterans?
>>18421474He flooded in 1938 and bombed 40,000 Chinese civilian in Wuhan.
>>18422282The Imperial Japan apologist thread from like a week ago. According to the OP of that thread, Japan was the victim in every single instance without exception and was only selflessly trying to free the Chinese people by invading them. Strong second hand embarrassment from reading OPs poor arguments and fervent denials.
>>18422364Japan is the victim since 1853, faggot.
>>18421358Most of it wasn't. He was a very shrewd and charimatic man. But being That Guy can only take you so far when you are at the head of a shitshow like the KMT.Ngl I find the KMT in Burma to be more interesting than the KMTaiwan. Even if its just a bunch of inane Cuban exile shenanigans.
