Why was Japan able to resist Christianity?
>>18421529Because guns = cool and jewish folklore = cringe.
THE JAPANESE HAD ACCEPTED CATHOLICISM, AND WERE CONVERTING EN MASSE, THEN, HERETICS ARRIVED, SOWED DISCORD, TOLD LIES, AND CATHOLIZATION WAS STUNTED, YET, THE CHURCH PERSISTS IN JAPAN TO THIS DAY, AND IT IS GROWING.
>>18421529Japan had a warrior culture / ethos whereas Christianity is the complete opposite.
>>18421529Because they did what was necessary (killing all the cathshits)
>>18421545Japan is and always has been a Shintō-Buddhist country. Your Abrahamic desert cult has no place there.
>>18421529The same way North Korea did. Because the Shogun would torture and kill anyone who practiced it and isolated the country, preventing further influence from getting in for hundreds of years. It wasn't stopped organically or because of a lack of interest among the Japanese.
>>18421552OK, RETARD.
Just like Hindus.The very premise of Christianity doesn't apply to how their language works or their conception of reality.Rome and Greece converted because the OT was literally copy lasting Greek myths and plays and political theory. Then NT did so even more.Like Star Wars to Dune they just changed the names and places.Greco-Roman mimetics.
>>18421545>>18421562Settle down tostiloco. Go check on abuelitas pot of frijoles and make sure they don't boil over.
>>18421570?
>>18421545>>18421562>>18421575How many years has it been since you've left your caps lock on you Mexican dumbfuck?
>>18421552Funny that the Shinto also considered Buddhism to be foreign religion that had no place in Japan just like you do Christianity. It's an Indian religion after all, with most Japanese forms of it being emulations of Tang Chinese Buddhism. If the Shogun didn't forcibly ban Christianity and let it grow naturally, it would have been considered an essential part of Japanese culture by now just as Buddhism is, among the many other foreign influences that have become quintessentially part of Japanese culture.
>>18421529Who else would check white interpretations of the Bible in the same way? Obviously, Jews won't let it slide if you're not about Yahweh but the caravan marches. In that country, industrialization is the gospel.
>>18421647Difference is unlike Christianity, Buddhism doesn’t eradicate or replace the local religions of where it spreads but rather heavily syncretizes with and integrates itself into them. For example, Buddhism in Japan heavily syncretizes with Shinto which is why according to multiple surveys Japan is both 70% Buddhist and 70% Shintoist at the same time. Similarly in Korea, it heavily syncretizes with Korean Shamanism and in China it heavily syncretizes with Confucianism and Taoism. In India, Buddhism heavily syncretizes with Hinduism and in Mongolia it heavily syncretizes with Tengrism. Even in Hellenistic-era Bactria, Buddhism heavily syncretized with Hellenism as people worshipped the Greek gods alongside being practicing Buddhists.If Japan was Christian, all Shinto and Buddhist traditions would have been branded as “demon worship” and forcibly stamped out. A new religion should only be tolerated if it doesn’t desire to replace and eradicate already-existing ones.
>>18421714'Hol up there, Ranjeesh. Facts is during the Meiji Restoration the government tried to heavily restrict traditional religious practices and replace them with the state Shinto cult which was emperor worship.
>>18421726>RanjeeshI curse Vishnu, now you curse Rabbi Yehsua.
>>18421575>>18421642He always responds with a question mark as if he didn't understand that he was just insulted.
>>18421726the government wanted to suck up to Europeans and not look barbaric so they banned a lot of medieval religious practices. the polite, formal culture of Japan we all know was a Meiji development; it was borrowed from 19th century Prussian and British culture while prior to that they were more like India.
>>18421562Cry lol
>>18421647Buddhism, unlike Christianity, didn't seek to subvert and destroy Japanese culture.
Fact is the persecutions of Japanese Christians happened because the English and Dutch wanted to remove Spain and Portugal from the country as trading rivals so they told the shogun that Catholicism was a vehicle for Spanish imperial control of Japan and they chimped out and killed everyone.
>>18421771Except it did lol It fundamentally changed Japanese culture to fit its teachings and some such as the Nichirens were very intolerant to differing beliefs and others such as the Ikko Ikki were very violatile politically.
>>18421785Buddhism also transformed the Mongols drastically and removed their previous warrior culture.
>>18421769Is that why they doubled down on State Shinto and the imperial cult when they were actively at war with the West? Because they were just trying to impress the West?
>>18421562You going to report posts for racism again you fat retarded chicano?
>>18421769As did Thailand, they also modernized and banned ooga booga religious and cultural practices.
>>18421785No, Buddhism is practiced alongside Shintō in Japan. This is completely different to Abrahamic religion which seeks to replace all so called "pagan" religions.
>>18421529Because Portugal was conquered by Spain.>>18421779It was the Englishman John Saris who persuaded William Adams to persuade Tokugawa to outlaw and persecute Japanese Christians. Little did he know the Dutch would just outright kill all future English traders sent past Malacca.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amboyna_massacre>The Amboyna massacre (also known as the Amboyna trial) was the 1623 torture and execution on Ambon Island (present-day Ambon, Maluku, Indonesia) of twenty-one men, including ten in the service of the English East India Company, as well as Japanese and Portuguese traders and a Portuguese man, by agents of the Dutch East India Company (VOC), on accusations of treason.
>>18421529The japanese ruling class didn't want to compete with catholic priests for scrumptious shota bussy
>>18421793that was false, Sandeep. Christianity in Europe (well, less so Protestantism) absorbed most pagan religions practices, holidays, etc and pagan gods were made into angels, demons, or saints in most cases.
>>18421779>they told the shogun that Catholicism was a vehicle for Spanish imperial control of JapanThat's true though. Spain and Portugal agreed to partition the world between themselves in order to spread Catholicism.
>>18421815If Japan fell to Catholicism, their Shintō culture would've been destroyed.
>>18421793Haibutsu kishaku. It hasn't been strictly harmonious.
All of the East Asian countries have had varying cycles of tolerance of Buddhism in between persecutions of it. China was no different historically.
>>18421570Simmer down you little pooftah.
>>18421791>>18421770>>18421765>>18421642>>18421570I like Cumgenius, I really do. He makes smart posts, very smart posts, and funny ones too. He’s an intelligent guy, very intelligent, and he’s got a lot of class, great style. Frankly, this is a lot more than I could say about many people here, most people, including you.
>>18421877hope he sees this bro
>>18421529>portuguese arrive offering gold and goods>start converting people with local ruler's permission>christianity spreads through the mistreated low class like wildfire>daimyos fear it will weaken their authority and blame a bunch of rebellions on the christians>kick christians out, kill anyone who opposes>isolate the country for 200 yearsChimped out
>>18421815Demonization and suppression of traditional religions isn’t syncretism. Actual syncretism would be if Christians identified the gods of other religions as angels rather than demons and also allowed people to continue worshipping them with no attempts by Christians whatsoever to disband pagan priesthoods, shut down their temples, or institute legal penalties for sacrificing to pagan gods.Most Japanese worship Shinto deities while being practicing Buddhists, meanwhile Christianity explicitly forbids the worship of other deities. There’s also the Christian obsession with dogma which by-default makes it incompatible with actual syncretism (just look up how much the church fathers seethed about groups like Gnostics, Arians, and Ebionites).
>"But we have catholic japan at home"
>>18421545>>18421562>>18421575>>18421815>>18421880Japan was justified in suppressing Christianity.Christians were a subversive force who wanted to colonize Japan and turn it into a racial jungle like they did to Latin America and the Philippines. Christians would have imported African and Indian labor to grow cash-crops, destroying native Japanese demographics and culture in the process, leading to modern Japan being a narco-state terrorized by Criollo drug lords.If Japan was Christian, they'd be like the Latin America and the Philippines, a multiracial shithole of brownoids and corruption.
>>18421888>Christians were a subversive force who wanted to colonize Japan and turn it into a racial jungle like they did to Latin America and the Philippines. Christians would have imported African and Indian labor to grow cash-crops, destroying native Japanese demographics and culture in the process, leading to modern Japan being a narco-state terrorized by Criollo drug lords.You have zero proof for this.
>>18421529They were lucky enough to get the jesuits, who got to teach them how truly evil and insidious it can be.
>>18421888vgh...the narco-corridos of san sebastian del mar azul, wakayam prefecture...home...
>>18421894>You have zero proof for this.Look what they turned the Philippines and Latin America into and try to convince me they wouldn’t have done the same thing to Japan. Even now, Japanese Christians care more about the lives of foreign criminals than their own countrymen.
>>18421545you lost paco
>>18421901The Philippines was a tribal jungle state before anyone Spanish arrived. Even then there were only about 500 Spanish people during the colonial period. There were even less Africans in the Philippines. When you look at the native people there they really have always been that dark skinned.Even in Latin America relatively few Africans were imported into Mexico or Peru because there was already a huge native population to do the work. Brazil only maxed out on African slaves because they lacked a large enough native population to work the sugar plantations. It was a similar story in Portuguese India, Malacca, and Macau. The only Africans were a handful of slaves and servants. Most work was done by native peoples.
>>18421882Most Japanese are atheists. Shinto is a religion of loose practice, not strict belief. If you're a hardcore atheist but go to a Shinto shrine on a holiday at least once a year, according to Shinto, you are Shinto just because of that one visit.
>>18421901/his/ user doesn't know the countries they're talking about colour me surprised. If anything, they made the Philippines and Latin America MORE European than jungle-monkey nigger-import countries. What with how spanish they made Manila and Mexico.
>>18421901The difference is that the Philippines and South America were massive shitholes before Christianity came.
>>18421928they're massive shitholes now, tostiloco
>>18421529I'm pretty sure that of the Japanese who converted to Christianity, the vast majority of them, the uneducated peasants, probably just assumed it was another brand of Pure Land Buddhism. So in terms of sincere, informed converts, there were very few to begin with.
Why does the existence of a safe, clean, advanced non-Christian ethnostate like Japan make Christians so fucking hot under the collar?
>>18421959It doesn't. Christians being murdered and tortured for their beliefs is what makes them upset, which is what happened under the Shogunate.
>>18421955With the Jesuits most regular people converted because their daimyo converted. With the other orders, Augustinians, Dominicans, Franciscans, I really don't know as much.
Hillbilly homos have the dumbest possible opinions about Japan. They ended up torching Buddhism and destroying their own traditions and culture in the Meiji restoration. Turns out, pederasty isn’t good enough to justify being weak as shit.
>>18421967Bulletin. You're just mad they failed to infect Japan with your preferred mind virus. If they had successfully done this you wouldnt be mad about the dead instead you'd call them based martyrs and pray to icons of them. You fool no one with your crocodile tears.
>>18421880>>18421967>>18421955There’s a bit more to that, there were quite a few daimyo who were Christian themselves. Hell the largest conflict of the Edo period was sparked specifically because a bunch of samurai serving a Christian clan suddenly became masterless and decided the new one was a murderous fuckwit>Original daimyo gets swept up in a controversy and is ordered to commit seppuku. Because he can’t do the deed himself because that’s a big no-no in Christianity, daimyo instead orders his own men to cut himself down>Son becomes the new daimyo. He then proceeds to have all his siblings murdered and marries into the Shogun’s family, effectively ending the clan overnight>Well shit now all the old samurai in the province are suddenly masterless>Shogun appoints a new daimyo who has zero qualms murdering his own subjects for being born the wrong religion>New daimyo suddenly dies under mysterious circumstances, but his son is even worse and the killings don’t stop>Bunch of ronin who openly hate the new daimyo decide to team up with the disgruntled citizenry to throw the new daimyo out
How exactly did Japan benefit from an additional 200 years of stasis before getting their shit pushed in by Perry?
>>18421976The Christian dead are already considered martyrs.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyrs_of_Japan
>>18421976Christians were very successful in spreading Christianity to Japan. Even daimyo converted to it. It was only stopped forcefully through years of torture and repression by the state, same as in communist nations. If the Japanese people at the time had any choice, there would be a sizable Christian population today. Note that almost all of the Christians killed were native Japanese, not foreigners.
>>18421983>current japan isn't infested with browns who hate them and want to take over because they dont possess the suicidal empathy that Christians possessBenefit seems pretty clear.
>>18421983It's actually worse than that. Japan had full access to whatever military technologies the Dutch would bring to them at Deshima. They had access to the latest guns they just didn't bother adopting anything until after they heard about the Chinese getting the shit pushed in with the Opium War.
>>18421529Because God decided to not save them, which is sad, but unfortunately the case. >>18421546Unlike Americans and the British, who are known for being peaceful and demure.
>>18421994>they would have imported bbcs from west Africa!Internet porn has done a number on the subcontinent.
>>18421959It flies in the face of their high civilization is only possible through Christ o algo cope and causes obscene clitty leakage when pointed out.
>>18421998>unfortunatelyWho are you to assign a moral judgement to God's decision. Enjoy Hell!
>>18421545>papist delusions
>>18421994Mass non-white immigration didn't happen until after major religious decline in America, during the 20th century.
>>18422019Unfortunately for them, bro. Not unfortunate for God or unfortunate for us.
>>18421928...As opposed to Japan? Japan was at least as much of a shithole as the Philippines was, probably moreso, for most of its history.
>this thread
>>18422030It wasn't. It was among the most urban and literate nations in the world that fielded some of the largest armies.
>>18422030>These are the best people so far discovered, and it seems to me that among unbelievers no people can be found to excel them.>St. Francis Xavier
>>18422036Hasekura was Catholic and an actual samurai as opposed to this bald larper.
>>18421998>who are known for being peaceful and demure.NTA and neither agreeing with him, but that's a bad argument. Waging war and being a warrior culture are 2 distinct things (Militarism is also a completelly seperate thing to both). America for example is a Merchant nation and involves itself in all major conflicts of this world and even starts entire wars if there is a political benefit to it.
>>18421959jews lmao
>>18422071Never thought woketards toohttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35349619
>>18421545Japan is becoming Philippinecized.
>>18421529Because by the time the missionaries made it there they no longer knew how to explain it right. In principle, uniting the eastern and western pillars of heaven should have been easy, but they instead tried to sell an afterlife heresy which got rightly rejected.
>>18421529some guy got his ship seized by the japanese and tried to threaten them into giving it back by telling them he is a servant of the rightful king of japan, the king of spainthen the jesuits confirmed this and started an uprising so the japs did the reasonable thing and kicked out the catholics
>>18421990>Even daimyo converted to it.If the daimyo converts, everyone under him has to convert. It didn't spread by popularity. It spread by converting a few daimyos as a pretense for the promise of trade and then the peasants were forced.Same way it spread in Europe. Convert the leader (even if it's a fake conversion) then force the peasants. They might not believe it at first, but their children will be indoctrinated, and their children will be true believers. Same way communism spread through slowly indoctrinating generations of children. You even end up with the same shitty urban/rural divide. "Pagan" originally meant rural. Christians were onions face city dwellers who forced their cosmopolitan universalism upon farmers, just like the communists will do to you in modern times.
>>18423104Those events all happened many years apart and did not occur as you have described.The first act against the Christians was Toyotomi Hideyoshi's Bateren Edict issued July 24, 1587 following the deaths of the two most powerful Christian daimyo of Kyushu. From the edict all Japanese Christians who had converted because of their daimyo were now allowed to choose their own religion.The San Felipe ran aground on October 19, 1596. The ship's Spanish captain did declare himself to be a servant of the King of Spain, but he did not declare ownership of Japan. Instead he insisted that Portugal was part of the realm of the King of Spain. This conflicted with what the Jesuits had always insisted, that Portugal was an independent kingdom. Hideyoshi became so furious he ordered the execution of all Spanish Franciscan missionaries in Kyoto who had violated the Bateren Edict. The crucifixion of the 26 martyrs of Japan occurred on February 5, 1597 and is the event pictured in the OP. Hideyoshi himself died on September 18, 1598 triggering a power struggle for control of Japan.The Englishman William Adams arrived in Japan on April 19, 1600 on the Dutch ship Liefde and became a vassal of Tokugawa, who became shogun later that year. William Adams oversaw the construction of several galleons for the shogunate and some daimyo for trade in Southeast Asia. On November 30, 1608 a group of Japanese samurai became drunk, started a riot and were killed by Captain-Major André Pessoa. This led to a battle in Nagasaki harbor from January 3 to 6, 1610 when the Japanese tried to arrest Pessoa. Trade with Portugal stopped and Tokugawa shifted his attention to the possibility of Spanish, Dutch and English trade.
As a result of the battle with the Portuguese Tokugawa had dismissed the Jesuit translator João Rodrigues Tçuzu and would rely instead on the Englishman William Adams. In 1612 the Catholic daimyo Arima John Harunobu was found guilty of a corruption scandal. Harunobu died on June 5, 1612.On June 12, 1613 the English East India Company Captain John Saris arrived in Japan aboard the Clove. He met with William Adams and related to him the Gunpowder Plot and the assassination of King Henry IV of France (November 5, 1605 and May 14, 1610). Adams translated these events for Tokugawa.The English were working under great urgency because a substantial embassy to the Spanish had been launched by Date Masamune with Tokugawa's permission on October 28, 1613 with Hasekura Tsunenaga, Bl. Luis Sotelo, Sebastián Vizcaíno, Yokozawa Shōgen, and Tanaka Shōsuke making the voyage across the Pacific aboard the Japanese built San Juan Bautista.In January 1614 Tokugawa Ieyasu issued instructions to his son Shogun Tokugawa Hidetada to ban Christianity among the Japanese. Japanese Christians were given the choice to leave Christianity, go into exile, or face martyrdom. Blessed Daimyo Justo Takayama chose to go into exile, leaving Japan on November 8, 1614 along with his retainers. Most Japanese Christians chose to continue their faith secretly.Tokugawa Ieyasu died on June 1, 1616 and William Adams died on May 16, 1620. Tokugawa's son Hidetada continued his father's instructions, issuing new edicts and ever larger public executions. The largest of these was the Great Genna Martyrdom of September 10, 1622. Hidetada abdicated in favor of his son Tokugawa Iemitsu. One of the first acts of his shogunate was the Great Martyrdom of Edo of December 4, 1623. By this time the shoguns had instituted the practice of alternate attendance in Edo and no daimyo could challenge them.
Tokugawa Hidetada died on March 14, 1632. On January 5, 1634 Tokugawa Iemitsu had his brother Tokugawa Tadanaga kill himself. Fresh edicts were issued including those in 1635 and 1636 banning all travel by any and all Japanese outside of Japan.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakoku>Text from the seclusion edict of 1636>No Japanese ship ... nor any native of Japan, shall presume to go out of the country; whoever acts contrary to this, shall die, and the ship with the crew and goods aboard shall be sequestered until further orders. All persons who return from abroad shall be put to death. Whoever discovers a Christian priest shall have a reward of 400 to 500 sheets of silver and for every Christian in proportion. All Namban (Portuguese and Spanish) who propagate the doctrine of the Catholics, or bear this scandalous name, shall be imprisoned in the Onra, or common jail of the town. The whole race of the Portuguese with their mothers, nurses and whatever belongs to them, shall be banished to Macao. Whoever presumes to bring a letter from abroad, or to return after he hath been banished, shall die with his family; also whoever presumes to intercede for him, shall be put to death. No nobleman nor any soldier shall be suffered to purchase anything from the foreigner.Meanwhile in Shimabara the local non-Christian daimyo had been taxing his people more and more to fund the construction of his new castle to outdo that which had been built by his Christian predecessor. On December 17, 1637 his people broke out in rebellion against his rule. Despite the fact that many of the rebels were not Christian, the Christian teenage samurai Amakusa Shirō was chosen to lead the rebellion. With a force of 37,000 to 40,000 men they occupied Hara Castle. The Japanese besieged the castle and asked the Dutch for assistance. The Dutch ship bombarded the castle but was repulsed when the defenders returned a musket fire so heavy and precise that they killed a Dutch sailor.
>>18423379Not entirely. Otomo and Omura were the primary daimyo who forced conversions. Having to follow the exact religious beliefs of the daimyo by default was not really a thing e.g. if your daimyo was Shingon but you were Jodo Shinshu or non-syncretic Shinto, you didn't have to become Shingon by default. It would be an incentive to change for influence with the daimyo, especially if you were in the courts, but rarely mandatory. Christians primarily resided under the Otomo and Omura but there were still Christians converts among the Japanese outside of those two territories, even in Honshu. Missionaries went as far as Tohoku but we can't say how many conversions they made, aside from influencing Data Masamune and possibly converting his daughter.
The permanent Portuguese community in Nagasaki, Japan is generally described as about 100 Portuguese men along with their Japanese wives and mixed race children. But when we consider that the trade port of Nagasaki was founded in 1571 and the expulsion of the permanent civilians occurred in 1636 we get a time span of 65 years. Thus at the time of the civilian expulsion the population would have consisted of 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation mixed race Portuguese Japanese people.Despite the number of people being potentially low, I have not yet encountered a source that lists their names. We have much better information on figures like William Adams because he lived in Edo and was a constant presence in Tokugawa's court. He married the daughter of a Japanese merchant and his children were considered to be of the mercantile class. By contrast most of these people lived in a place considered by Japanese to be the edge of Japan and married women who were the daughters of rice farmers and fishermen.
>>18421529Because they resisted it violently, while Euros just invited the missionaries in and let them fuck their wives.
>>18421545>HERETICS ARRIVED, SOWED DISCORD, TOLD LIES, AND CATHOLIZATION WAS STUNTEDChristcel delusions. Protties were largely irrelevant. Japan was in a state of chaos when Catheterics were peddling their faith. Not only were Missionaries causing religious discord in an already troubled land, but Christian Daimyo were directly trading with silver-loaded Spics in the Philippines and got rich enough to continue challenging any central authority. The Great Unifiers wanted to centralize power and pacify the land and they saw Christian Missionaries as one of the main threats to their goals.
Christianity could never take root in Japan because the mindset of the feudal Japanese at the time was too alien to the mindsets of those the missionaries converting them. Yes, the missionaries successfully converted a lot of Japanese in the 16th and 17th centuries. Obviously, the violent oppression by the tokugawa shogunate didn't help spread their faith much, but the main reason isn't actually the shogun (countries that oppress christianity often encourage the faith to thrive in the underground) but rather that fuedal Japs cannot comprehend Judeo-christian theology without seeing it through their worldview, which mixes weird animism/shinto/buddhist beliefs into it. Look at the traditions and beliefs of the Hidden Kiristians (christians) from the fuedal era. It barely resembles mainstream christianity at all. Hell, Mormons and Jehovah's witnesses are closer to mainstream Catholic/orthodox/protestant beliefs that those of the fuedal Japanese christians. Look up Isukiri, Jesus's supposed japanese brother who died on the cross for him. The "buddha" Mary. The sun being the risen Jesus. This shit probably has something to do with the fact that fuedal Japs lived in an isolationist society for so long that they became too "alien" to the western mindset that could comprehend Abrahamic theology better. Other asian countries that aren't communists have sizeable Christian populations. Hell, the Koreans are fucking super evangelists (though they develop weird distorted christian-influenced ideas too)I'm sure the modern, non-isolationist, secular, non-superstitious, 21st century Japanese could comprehend Judeo-Christian thought now no problem, but since Christianity never took a foothold in the country, there's no reason or societal pressure for them to. Pic related is a great movie explaining some of this stuff
>>18424299> countries that oppress christianity often encourage the faith to thrive in the undergroundThis is bullshit, Rome was the anomaly, not the norm. And largely because Rome persecuted them in spectacular ways that made the Christian’s look good and the pagans look bad. Not just Japan, but numerous other countries (such as the USSR) utterly crushed Christianity.
>>18424307It's worth remembering that Christianity arose within Roman society, Jesus was crucified and everythingshouldn't be surprising that a religion sometimes had a hard time crossing cultural barriers
>>18424307Iran has one of the fastest growing Christian populations. Google it, anon. Tanzania, Uganda, Nigeria. Extreme persecution actually encourages Christians, because it's an integral part of their doctrine in the new testament.
>>18421714Christianity isn't a monolith. Greek, Armenia, Assyrian, Coptic or Ethiopian for instance are all very different and unique to the culture. We can imagine something similar happening in a Christian Japan, and we get a glimpse of that in the traditions passed down in the Christian communities that survived the 17th century
>>18421647>Shinto also considered Buddhism to be foreignOver a thousand years after it was introduced. Buddhism first came to Japan through its imperial court larping as their neighbor and cultural hegemon the Chinese. It then gradually spread through the rest of Japanese society as an addition to, rather than replacement of, the existing Shinto religion.That is a very different course of events than random foreigners from the other side of the planet telling people to abandon their religion.
>>18421990>Even daimyoWhat the fuck is this supposed to mean? Europe was converted by kings converting out of political convenience and then killing any of their subjects who didn't go along. You're basically admitting that the jesuits were trying to pull the same shit in Japan.
>>18424399daimyo were magnates, not kingshence why they lost once central authority was restored
>>18424307>Rome persecuted them in spectacular waysNo they didn't. This is an ex post facto christian fantasy based on their persecution fetish. christians were going around begging bewildered legionaries to torture them.
>>18424401What does that have to do with jesuits bribing the ruling class of Japan to convert with the expectation that they would then slaughter their non-christian subjects?
>>18424409It explains why they failed to actually pull it off? The central government didn't need their weapons, and the regional warlords who did got their shit pushed in when the country reunified
Asians hate religion.All their religions are super low effort folk tales slop. China and NK got rid of religion entirely lol.
>>18424413They failed because of Buddhism. Japan already a religion that filled the sociopolitical niche that christianity offers both to the ruling class and the super poor. So converting was more like backing a different claimant for the same throne. Japan's rejection of christianity was especially explicit, harsh, and unified and they've remained resistant to it. So you could say there are some characteristics unique to Japan that make christianity especially unpopular there. But it's not like christianity was super successful in China or pre-US occupation Korea.
>>18423379Truthnuke.Christcucks were the original leftists, and inspiration for leftists.
Based JapsTake your faggy Jew worship and gay guilt mentality and shove it up your ass christcuck
>>18424391They was conflict upon arrival in Japan through competing clans
>>18424399Every religion from Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc spread primarily through the elites.
>>18424457There*
lots of seething weeb faggots in this thread
>>18424463Get on your fucking knees you pathetic little christbitch and lick my feetYou would suck dick if asked just like you sucked off your pedo pastor as a kid you pathetic homo desert rat
>>18424479>t. seething weeb faggot
>>18424482You worship a pathetic Jew that got crucified by Roman chads because you're scared an invisible man is going to spank your ass if you don't just like your pastor did you weak little superstitious christcuck faggotEmbarrassing
>>18424485you sound upset
>>18424487You're buttblasted because Japan managed to retain its indigenous culture while you got overwritten by a Middle Eastern mind virus. Go back to the desert with the other bronze age savages.
>>18421529If Christianity had converted them, Japan would be 80% brown nowadays. Thank Ameratsu they resisted.
>>18424496They're rapidly becoming more brown today despite being only 1% Christian
>>18424406No retard, I mean they put the martyrs in the center of the colleisium, rather than just shooting them in a police station basement.
>>18424496>retards literally think Mexico and the Philippines were white before they converted to ChristianityYou should be enslaved for your own safety.
>>18424509The Romans had been feeding criminals to animals for hundreds of years before it intersected with the jew victim complex. Same with crucifixions. Lining the Appian way with crucified slaves was way more over the top than anything that ever happened to any sect of jews or jew worshipers.And the Japanese coincidentally also practiced crucifixion before ever meeting christians and ended up doing it to them too. And yet that didn't translate to more christians.The Romans were not especially brutal. christianity just started within their empire so christians were better able to hijack public consensus and claim greater victimhood than was real.
>>18424512Japan isn't White, either. You know what that anon means. If anyone should be enslaved, it's you for feigning ignorance.
>>18424491you lost tranny
>>18424524Christcucks are the ones losing faggot. Leftists are destroying your society and you can't do shit about it. Japan isn't the one being mutted into extinction.
>>18424527nta but Japan is getting JEETED as I type this
>>18424498Because they were conquered and occupied by America retard.
>>18421529>Christian missionaries: "We come bringing you love and peace">Japanese: "THEY'RE BRINGING LOVE AND PEACE, KILL THEM!"
>>18424491>managed to retain its indigenous cultureRampant pedophilia and proud of it, sky high suicide rates, one of the lowest fertility rates in the world (no one wants to procreate in your japanese utopia for some reason). Women cant even get in the train without some gook trying to take upskirts from them. Extremely individualistic, anti-family. They believe in nothing. Such an amazing indigenous culture. Totally worth it, right atheist bro? No wonder you love it.
>>18424391>>18421647>>18421552Japan's culture and society was created through importing of Chinese culture. Buddhism became state religion because there were no religion in Japan at the time. "Shinto" that you're referring to is just the cult of the Emperor and it was a small cult practiced exclusively by the Emperors lineage. The modern "Shinto" was created during the Meiji restoration ~19th century, when the Emperor came into power and the various daimyos opposed the Shogun control of Japan. Afterwards, the meiji restoration destroyed tons of Buddhist temples/monasteries and purged them out of the state. The remnants of Buddhism was further destroyed in WWII during the war as Buddhists opposed the war in general, what was left was buddhist that were forced to accept or be imprisoned/disrobed/etc. Thousands more buddhist temples were destroyed in WWII by the imperial forces.As for the role of Buddhism in Japan, they came through Japan and became the dominant religion of not just the ruling elites but also the peasants. The shogun also used Buddhist temple as place of family registration to ward off against Christian conversions.The reason for warding off against Christian conversion was that Europeans were using local Christian converts to seize military power and pledge allegiance to foreign empire, which the Shogun rightfully saw the threat.
Christkekery is the machine that unlplugs itself. It won't even last another 100 years against zoomers with jew memes on social media.
>>18421552Really? Why did they start burning Buddhist temples during the Meiji Restoration. (Hint: it's because they consider it a foreign religion.) Shinto was an attempt at organizing their various rituals and regional pagan rites into a coherent system. They somewhat succeeded, but it's ultimately a modern invention. The Buddhists globbed onto the "kami" and tried to integrate them into their worldview when they arrived in Japan.Ultimately, all roads lead to the Truth. Billions must be baptized.
>>18421546Can any Christian explain this to me, how are you suppossed to defend yourself
>>18421545>>18424535>They didn't do nuffing, they were good boys, it was all the proddies' fault
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>>18424547They have a lower suicide rate than the US and several European countries. Theirs is fairly normal for a developed country. Their birthrate is low compared globally, but it's the highest in east Asia. And they have a low rate of sex crimes, and really crime in general, compared to the entire rest of the planet. I'm also not sure how you came to the conclusion that the Japanese of all people are individualistic or anti-family.I'm not surprised that a seething jew would lie. But you should at least try harder than this.
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>>18424589This slightly deviates from the way the incident was recorded and reported in the West, by the way>In July 1587 Hideyoshi was at Hakata after the Kyushuan victory, and here Coelho entertained him on shipboard. To all appearance the party was a great success, and Hideyoshi went ashore with some of Coelho's Portuguese wine—which ironically may have incited rather than mollified him. In the middle of the night a shaken Coelho was roused by the Regent's couriers and presented with four extremely pointed questions about Jesuit and Portuguese activities, ranging from alleged forcible conversions, destruction of temples, and slaving, to the eating of useful animals like horses and cows. He made what reply he could, but during the day—25 July 1587—an edict was issued giving all Jesuit Fathers twenty days to leave Japan
>>18424553>Japan's culture and society was created through importing of Chinese culture.Japan is less Chinese than France is Roman.>there were no religion in Japan at the time. "Shinto" that you're referring to is just the cult of the EmperorThis is ass backwards. Shinto originally had only a weak, localized connection to the imperial family. Like all polytheistic religions, it was extremely decentralized with countless local Gods and varying emphasis on the shared ones. Over the centuries the imperial family gradually asserted their primacy as the spiritual center of Shinto. But before then, they were simply one part of the whole.
>>18424585You are the one who is full of shit. The famous japenese suicide forest and fucking anti-suicide nets in workplaces tells you the whole story. You are excusing all of that due to your love to their cringe cartoons. Very common pedo shit in virtually all of anime too. How the fuck does that not reflect their culture? Seethe more troon.
>>18424534Cry about it
>>18424596>Japan is less Chinese than France is Roman.Opposite
Japan destroyed their own culture in the Meiji restoration and did a giant pogrom against Buddhists, because they entered modernity as 5’2 backwards manlets and correctly blamed homo-paganism for it.
>>18424598Numbers don't lie. The US may not have a suicide forest. But we kill ourselves at a greater rate than the Japanese. And the nets thing isn't even Japan. That's in third world sweatshops to keep the tortured slave workers from escaping through death.And retards like you call busty adult women "pedo shit" if the Japanese draw them.
>>18424554Revelation 2:9Revelation 3:9
>>18424606Japan was its own country and people who copied the Chinese for a few centuries before veering off in their own direction. They have never been under Chinese rule. They use the Chinese writing system, but have their own language. They have their own indigenous religion and their own distinct sects of the religion they imported from China. Their attempt at creating a Chinese style government never worked.Gaul was conquered by and completely integrated into the Roman empire and became one of its successor states. The French speak an offshoot of Latin. They no longer practice their indigenous religion and still adhere to the Roman sect of christianity. They were the ones who helped revive aspects of Roman law and government and spread them through Europe again.
>>18424587While it is true that large numbers of Japanese women were transported out of the country, they were not treated as slaves nor were they ever put in handcuffs. The women were in large part war refugees of the Sengoku, although a number of geisha and prostitutes were sometimes accidentally purchased at Nagasaki and taken aboard ship. The women were transported to Macau, the Portuguese trading post in China. Most of the women became married to the permanent and transient Portuguese population in Macau and elsewhere across their empire. Portuguese men in Macau had a demand for wives because the Han Chinese were not interested in marrying foreigners who were gone for half they year no matter how rich they were. The Portuguese had also married the native Tanka women of the Pearl river as well as women from all coastal nations of Southeast Asia.
>>18424631Their written script is mostly Chinese (Kanji), their vocabulary is mostly from Chinese (Kango), most Buddhist sects are still mainly Tang era Chinese (Tendai, Zen, Pure Land, etc), their behavior and ethics are mostly inspired by the Chinese (Confucianism), most of their traditional art and music comes from China, etc. Japan might as well have started as a Chinese colony with how incredibly Chinese they are. Taking away Chinese culture from Japanese culture would be like taking away Greek culture from Roman culture. There are regions in China itself that have been less Chinese in culture than Japan has been for most of its history to today.
>>18424672>like taking away Greek culture from Roman cultureAh, so you're just a pophis retard. That makes sense.
>>18424596>Over the centuries the imperial family gradually asserted their primacy as the spiritual center of ShintoNo, the modern Shinto is a 19th century invention. Prior to that, Shinto was a emperor only cult. 19th century saw the revisionism, in a way to combine various local superstitions and nature/ancestor worship into the state sponsored Shinto you are sold today. The state Shinto didn't naturally grow from small to nationwide, it was an artificial imposition during the 19th century. This was to assert the Emperor's power over the nation and reject what they saw as the Shogun's power base, the Buddhist temples and the social structure around it. So they rewrote the society's ties to Shinto. >Japan is less Chinese than France is Roman.Japan's culture, language, art, aesthetics, moral foundations, religion, architecture, came from China. Tang dynasty mainly.
>>18424687>various local superstitions and nature/ancestor worshipYeah, that's called Shinto, you retard. It's existed since the beginning of recorded Japanese history. And the trend towards centralizing it around the emperor was centuries in the making by the time of the Meiji restoration and state Shinto.And what is with you retards thinking Chinese and Japanese are the same language? They aren't even related.
>>18424698>Yeah, that's called Shinto, you retardNo. Again, the modern state Shinto, the "Shinto" you know, is 19th century invention. Before that "the Shinto" was worship of Emperor by the small clan which the emperor belonged to. They had no ties with any other clans or the entire Japan nation and the various localized worships. They had no ties.
>>18424715>the various localized worshipsThat's Shinto. And the way you talk about the imperial cult is how it started. But it got puffed up in importance over the years, which laid the groundwork for that aspect of state Shinto.
>>18424750>That's ShintoYou're confusing modern state Shinto and the older Shinto. Two are completely different. The older Shinto had no relations to all other local worships and are in competition with each other. The current state Shinto has top down control where Emperor cult controls all others and sits at the top. Two different religions
The christian cope and seethe in this thread is hilarious ngl
>>18424808learn a few more words in English, if you have anything to express
>>18424804>The older Shinto had no relations to all other local worshipsYes it did. It was those local worships. It was never just the imperial cult.
>>18421529Limiting foreign intervention in general and just killing guys who preached. It wasn't difficult.
>>18424354Unfortunately it was the jesuits trying to convert Japan.
>>18424915What in the flying fuck of the Black Legend's Ass is this?The Jesuits at that time were in the cutting edge of Science and Philosophy. Half the Asteroids were discovered by Jesuits, Seismology was discovered by Jesuits, most of Universities founded in the Americas was founded by Jesuits, and the very first translations of Chinese and Tibetan texts to Latin were translated by Jesuits! Also, you lying Prot-Rot do you even know why the Jesuits were temporarily supressed as an order? Because they consistently took the sides of the natives vs the Imperialists in colonial wars. During the Guarani Wars against the Portuguese and Spanish Empires the Jesuits who protected the Guarani in the Jesuit Reductions of Guarani especially among Asunscion, the European Royalties accused the Jesuits of supporting the Guaranis to rebel against Colonial Rule, that's why they pressured the Pope to supress the Jesuits. Oh Gee Weez! How evil it is for the Jesuits to be willing to die for their flock! Whereas Prot-Rots were backstabbing their fellow Christians!
>>18421888>>18421901You are a liar! Catholic Spain whitened the Philippines and Latin America whereas Protestant Britain Blackened the British Carribean and Fiji full of natives before Britain came but after Britain came Jamaica was filled with BBC and Fiji is filled with Pajeets. Prot Rot Liars always apply their crimes to others.
>>18421917We were hardly in a junglr monkey state you stupid prot-rot cultural illiterate. We Filipinos already had ocean sailing ships that were several times larger than what Japan owned and had; gold, spice, and jade carving among our kingdoms aka Rajahnate of Butuan, Sultanate of Maguindanao, and Kingdom of Pangasinan, and warfare technology that Japan didn't even have (We had Gunpowder Weapona like Lantakas aka Cannons in the 1400s to 1500s back when Japan was still using Bow and Arrows).
Many Asians reacted to the fact that Christians worship some ancient insurrectionist who got crucified by the imperial authorities in about the same way they now react to the fact that Americans worship some fentanyl addict who got choked out by a cop.
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I'm just glad the Japanese didn't let outsiders impose their religion on them.
Because Calvinists are not really keen on sharing the 40,000 spots in heaven reserved for the elect
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