This has been devastating Muslims in debates for the past year. But it wasn't very well known a few years ago. How much more might be coming?
>>18422899>islam says the bible came from allahFalse lmao, the logos did but all the retarded books and man made bickering over what’s canon and what’s not obviously didnt
>>18422902Muhammad knew of none of that. He never discusses canon questions. He could not read the sources for it. He merely restated what his culture told him.
>how to defeat islam?>we will become retarded, that will show them!>the muslim is staring at us, blinking slowly, that means we are winningThe word of god is incorruptible - but the books are. That's why god send angels to muhammad in the first place, to unfuck the corruption through new revelation. The only thing thats stumping people about this is trying to make sense of the retarded babbling. I don't even know what christian apologists are trying to do by using retarded debate bro "gotchas" that are based on shit they imagined in their own head. You aren't converting muslims by pretending to be even more retarded than you are. You aren't converting atheists by playing word games with yourself. You aren't converting jews by imagining prophecies in the bible. You aren't converting "pagans" by screaming at them about semitic desert tales, they have their own. Christianity is dying, simple as.>but there's a based hecking zoomer reviv-ACK!no, there is not, every generation is less christian than the last
someone should make a flow chart of all possible mental gymnastic routes of islamic dilemma that have been used by jake, daniel pikachu etc
The Muslim answer to this is that the Bible we have today is an entirely different text from the Bible Allah originally revealed.
>>18422974This doesn't work since Muhammad told Jews to bring the Torah and then read from it: https://sunnah.com/muslim%3A1699aHe then had them do what the Torah said. So he saw the text they had both as the Torah and as authoritative.
>>18422946Take a look at https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48703377, the Muslim world is starting to turn towards irreligion as well. Pic related is only over five years.
>>18422899bible doesn't preach trinitarianism and surah 4:157 says jesus was made to appear crucified
>>18422899>Why is Islam so retarded?Because instead of worshiping the one true living God, the body of Christ, like they are supposed to, they instead worship a cube. Islam was created so that the dark hell-spawned demons could worship the light of God in Christ, one true living God instead of being destroyed.Sadly, they no longer recognize God, and have become rather retarded.
>>18422946>The word of god is incorruptible - but the books are.If the Bible is corrupted then Koran 2:85 would be entirely incomprehensible: "Do you then believe in a part of the Book and disbelieve in the other? What then is the re ward of such among you as do this but disgrace in the life of this world, and on the day of resurrection they shall be sent back to the most grievous chastisement, and Allah is not at all heedless of what you do."Because then, yes, believing in part of the book and not other parts is exactly what you should do if parts of it are corrupted. The hadith at >>18422991 would mean Muhammad himself does this if he accepts part of the Torah but not other parts.
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>>18422946This is actually brilliant!All that remains now is to show us at least one verse in the koran where all that garbage is stated word-for-word.
>>18423210I genuinely wonder sometimes what actual muslims think of these gems
>>18423247They are commanded by their ulema to run away when confronted with this kind of images or arguments.
>>18422899Do modern day Christians believe the Bible was just a random book spawned out of nowhere? It took over 3 centuries for a semblance of canon to be introduced and even then different communities followed different ones. The trinity was in dispute during Islam's introduction by the Byzantines and you had Arians in power.
>>18423317It actually only matters for the argument what Muhammad thought the Bible was and yes, by all appearances he basically thought that and wasn't aware of canon disputes.FWIW he uses the terms Torah and Gospel, and the Torah and Gospels everyone agrees on. The canon disputes are only about some Old Testament books and a few of the minor New Testament letters.
>>18422974I'm an agnostic, neither Christian nor Muslim, but this is the most popular traditional Muslim response and it's extremely weak. You have to believe in the existence of a version of the Bible in 6th century Arabia that we have zero evidence of ever existing, and would be radically contradictory to every version of the Bible that we do have evidence of ever existing. I think a better strategy for Muslims is to just say that "injeel" in the Quran doesn't mean the Bible, that's also problematic but at least not laughably false.
>>18423033It's not even a cube, actually.
>>18422899I'm not even muslim and I know the very first panel is wrong. Muslims believe there were prophets prior to muhammad but they all misinterpreted whatever wisdom they gained from allah. So their teachings, like the bible, are divinely inspired but still fallible. The quran, on the other hand, is alleged to be the verbatim word of allah without interpretation. That's why they claim muhammad was illiterate even though he definitely wasn't. Because the idea is that he was a vehicle of the word of allah that couldn't have twisted his words even if he wanted to.
>>18424434>Muslims believe there were prophets prior to muhammad but they all misinterpreted whatever wisdom they gained from allah. Where did you hear this? Muslims don't believe this. They hold all prophets to be equal and infallible.
>>18424506I think he means that their message was corrupted, similar enough to get mixed up>>18424434>That's why they claim muhammad was illiterate even though he definitely wasn'tWhat makes you say that?
>>18422899Not that big a deal...>if you're an 85IQ Muslim, you don't even understand what the word "dilemma" means>if you're a 100IQ Muslim, you understand that you can just murder anyone who raised the dilemma with the help of the 85s>if you're a 110+IQ Muslim, you're too busy making money off of oil to care about this superstitious bullshit but are glad the 100s and 85s are too busy whining about infidels to ask where their share of the oil money is
>>18424062I believe injeel is just another word for the teachings of Jesus. It is the gospel truth, what his acts and preaching, in either written or oral form.The New Testament Bible is merely inspired by these teachings, but has become distorted with false additions of over-zealous men. Technical elaborations like the dimensions of Noahs arc,or ones with theolgical implications like matthews events, contradictions about the ressurection story.Apart from texual corruption, there is another layer of misinterpretation of this textual corruption by priests and scholars. Which is why you would have a hard time to formulate fundamental doctrines like the post-constantinople creed of the trinity using just the biblical text.So why does Allah tell Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to check the torah and christian bible, incase he doubts his place? Simply because they still contain the truth, whereby a person in his position could read and understand that the prophetic narratives are very similar.
