The Council of Nicaea determined what Christian orthodoxy is and the Council of Constantinople ratified this decision in its finality. It's over. It's done. You cannot be a Christian and believe in anything contrary to the Trinity. This was decided at Nicaea. This was ratified by Constantinople. The time for having debates is over. Period point blank. There is no debate, no discussion to be had anymore about the doctrine of the Godhead. Either confess that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are consubstantial with one another or get out. You are not a Christian and will never be a Christian unless you confess the holy faith of the Nicene Creed.
The Nicean Creed shifts the blame on Pontus Oilate for the crucifixion of Christ when the Gospels tell us it was the Jews who did it and Pontus Pilate wanted nothing to do with it.
>>18423625>Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are consubstantialChapter and verse ?
>>18423701"under Pontius Pilate"he was indeed the ruler at the time
>>18424129Under Jewish mob demands is more accurate.The Nicean Creed is Jewish subversion
>>18423701>>18424129Pilate isn't mentioned in the Nicene Creed of the 325 Council of Nicaea. You're thinking of the Constantinopolitan Creed accepted at the Council of Chalcedon in 451 to the dismay and outrage of most of the bishops present, as it had never been an official act of the 381 Council of Constantinople, and they'd never heard of it.Funnily enough, Mary isn't mentioned in the OG creed either:>Who for us men, and for our salvation, came down and was incarnate and was made man; >He suffered, and the third day he rose again, ascended into heavenCompare this to the modified version your priest only calls the "Nicene" creed if he's uneducated, or deliberately lying and trying to impress you by backdating the innovation to an earlier time:>Who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost and of the Virgin Mary, and was made man;>he was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried, and the third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the FatherGenerations of bishops across the empire were born, professed the Pilate-less Nicene Creed throughout their lives, and died of old age before a bunch of Constantinopolitans decided to reveal it to the world 126 years later.
>>18423625>random mortal humans have an argument over the nature of God>we're expected to give a single shit about any of this
>>18423625>300 mad polytheists sit around a table and invent your godand that's why it's false
>>18424161What would the jews have been able to do to pilate if he had rejected their demands?
>>18424120Is the Son created out of notning?
>>18423625Just put the donation in the bag bro
>>18424315Create an uprising and not pay taxes.
>>18424315There were three full blown wars over jew chimpouts.
>>18424190They have funny hats and beards, so they must be onto something.
>>18424402Nothing is created out of nothing, God used the Holy Spirit to create including his Son
>>18424975Answer the question. Do you believe that God created Jesus "out of nothing" like he created the universe from nothing?
>>18425060I think your question includes an assumption JWs don't admit.
>>18425060I just answered that nothing is created out of nothingNot Jesus, not the universeEverything comes from the Holy Spirit
>>18425134We don't believe that God used pre-existing matter to create Your AI is broken
>>18425174>Everything comes from the Holy SpiritExcept God
>>18425182indeed
>>18424402If the Son is a created being, why worship him instead of his Creator?
>>18425174I did not ask you if something can come from nothing. I am asking you if God created Jesus "ex nihilo" as the universe was created ex nihilo. Give me a yes or no answer to this question, "Did God create Jesus ex nihilo like the universe and/or matter was created ex nihilo?"
>>18425581>Is the Son created out of nothing?>No, nothing is created out of nothing >Answer the question, is the Son created our of nothing?>No, not the Son nor the universe>Give me a yes or no question, is the Son created out of nothing?The absolute state of /his/
>>18424120Mathew 28:19Therefore, go forth and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
>>18425707Where does Matthew 28:19 say that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three persons sharing one eternal and co-equal substance ?
>>18425276John 14:6Jesus said to him: “I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father, except through me.
>>18425711It doesn't say to worship Jesus, it just says he's the way to the Father. That could just as easily mean following his teachings and practices
>>18425711Yes, the way to Jehovah is through his son Jesus because he is our intercessor and high priestWhere does it say to worship Jesus though ?Protip: godldy worship is latriea, which is always used for the Father and never for Jesus
>>18425649It's a simple yes or no question. All I want to hear from you is yes or no. Do you believe the proposition>The Son is created ex nihiloTrue or false?
>>18424975Jesus is the word and the word is the alpha and the omega. End of.
>>18426334Not that anon. but thats false. jesus was conceived, usually translated as begotten, and not created. Its from the credo part of mass, if you ever went to a christian mass its the "credo" part of mass and is always repeated.
