>Albanians >Vlachs/Romanians>Sami>Gypsies >Native Irish>Ottoman Turks>Central Asian Turks>North African ArabsAll these groups seem to rise in power and expand after Black Death put a massive death toll to local sedentary populations in respective regions. Is it right to say Black Death cleared the land in many parts of Old world and helped nomadic or semi nomadic groups to rise and expand with consequences often approaching current times ?
>>18424206most of those weren't nomads though, not even a bitthis is your headcanon
>>18424206Native Irish weren't nomadic
>>18424225>>18424246Ok so maybe 'tribal resurgence' would be better name? As these societies were very clan/tribe based opposed to state based and supported nations they went to demographically overwhelm (e.g. Anglo Irish, Greeks, Serbians, Nubians)
Black Death obviously weakened sedentary societies where the disease could more easily spread, nomadic people were less affected due to general isolation, however not immune to its effects. The mongol khanates were greatly affected and most fell or declined heavily after the Black Plague.What you can argue is that the devastation caused by the Black Plague in the sedentary societies gave semi-nomadic ones a bit of an upper hand.
>>18424206Previously nomadic invaders and travellers (gipsies, pikeys, maouche, yenish) are totally different groups.I suspect that the occurence of travellers relates to rising general affluence and infrastructure, essentially providing them the economic niche they then occupied.
>>18424249>Ok so maybe 'tribal resurgence' would be better name?No. There was no tribes in the mid to late middle ages in Ireland. Clans/Septs yes but that the way it always was before and after the black death. >>18424249>they went to demographically overwhelm (e.g. Anglo IrishNo they did not. "Anglo Irish" were always a minority demographic. The majority of people in the towns under their rule were probably assimilated native Irish. The Irish did manage to take back control of areas in the 1400s I think and there was a thing called the Gaelic resurgence were Irish noble clans took back lands that had once belonged to them.
>>18424249The only groups that experienced a resurgence during this period were the Serbians and the Ottomans, especially as they took advantage of decline of Byzantium
>>18424206>Native IrishDon't you mean Pikeys?
>>18424225>Albanians>VlachsSemi-nomadic goat and sheep herders.>SamiNomadic reindeer herders.>GypsiesNomadic thiefs and scam artists.>Native Irish????>Ottoman TurksMaybe some were still horse nomads, I don't know, but plenty were certainly semi-nomadic goat and sheep herders.>Central Asian TurksHorse nomads.>North African ArabsI know Egypt had bedouins. Not sure about the Maghrebi Arabs, though I believe they had nomadic Berbers.
>>18424579By the 14th century, most of Albania and the Balkans had already developed a European style feudal system.Influence from the Latin Crusade of 13th, the Angevins of Southern Italy, and Venice was significant in the region.
>>18424469>Clans/Septs yes but that the way it always was before and after the black deathso fits my definition and i was talking about traditionally tribe/clan based societies not more centralized hierarchichal ones think France, England or Holy Roman Empire>No they did not. "Anglo Irish" were always a minority demographic. The majority of people in the towns under their rule were probably assimilated native Irish. The Irish did manage to take back control of areas in the 1400s I think and there was a thing called the Gaelic resurgence were Irish noble clans took back lands that had once belonged to them.Can you read? I didn't write about them being majority in Ireland because they clearly weren't. I was talking about Gaelic Resurgence you mentioned so Anglo irish beign decimated by the Plague and then displaced, assimilated or killed by Irish Irish people which due to more decentralized and rural lifestyle Plague didn't hit that hard>>18424563No. Just Irish people. Like ones from Dublin and Boston
>>18424206>albanaianWhat? Is this a Slav gypsy post? We were always living in that region. Fucking retarded mongrels
>>18424761look at the map and realize what i was talking about
>>18424768All these maps are fake as fuck. Albanians were already in Kosovo before Serbs invaded in the 13th century. Yes it was pozzed mostly because the Balkans was pozzed by many foreign filth while Albanians stayed in the mountains and hilly areas until conquering the lowlanders. The big mistake was not killing the men because now we have those foreign paternals but we can get rid of them with a good eugenics program.
>>18424206Your premise is false, the premier Nomadic group of the 15th century, the Golden Horde, collapsed by the beginning and never recovered.
>>18425052The Golden Horde's successor states Crimean Khanate, Nogai Horde and Kazakh Khanate continued raiding Europeans for centuries.Crimean Khanate raided up to Vienna until 1683 and lasted to 1783.Kazakh Khanate didn't stop until 1847.
>>18425154And the Cossacks raided the shit out of them, it was mutual, but these states only declined or stagnated while European states grew stronger.
