Christianity stole so much from Plato it's crazy. Anything in Christianity that isn't from Plato is just average rabbislop. Even the Vesica Pisces is originally from Plato. All the good parts of Christianity is literally just Plato
>>18426233christianity stole nothing from plato, it's the natural extension of dualist thought
>>18426233Define Christianity. I bet you'll unload a bunch of garbage because you're utterly clueless about the meaning of the word.
>>18426266>>18426423goddamn now thats cope
what are the good parts of Christianity to you
>>18426233Yes the man never lies I myself almost never lied for my whole life. Its an abstract kind've feel.
>>18426233>Christianity stole so much from PlatoNo wonder it's so shit.
>>18426233Rabbis stole from plato too
>>18426824Faith, hope, love, and heaven are the primary examples of things christian texts consider to be good virtues and the good place you go if you practice them and they are all derived from platonic ideals.
>>18426896>love was invented by Plato>the concept of a positive afterlife was invented by Plato>absolutely no mention of how to live, the trinity, the nature of sin, the fall, judgement day, hell, etc.Goly anon kinda sounds like youre making things up again
>>18426233What do you mean stole? Everything is stolen in this case. That's how the world works, people learn of ideas and incorporate them into their own new ideas. Even Plato's ideas aren't wholly original. Were you born yesterday or has /his/ really degraded this much to be this retarded?
>>18426959https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platonic_loveYes, before Plato love was something for lovers and family members, not something that should ideally be imposed on everyone and everything else.>the concept of a positive afterlife was invented by PlatoThe concept of a positively perfect afterlife was derived from platonic ideals, yes.>how to live, the trinity, the nature of sin, the fall, judgement day, hell, etc.Because you specifically asked about the good things that we can directly utilize, not the logistical mythological stuff out of direct reach and negative concepts like sin and hell.
>>18427004You really believe the Chinese didnt have a concept for this? You have an eurocentric point of view and that only shows how you were educated (and how little effort youve put into furthering your own education)
I mean... heres what chatgpt has to say:Confucian tradition (deep affection + moral duty)In the teachings of Confucius (6th–5th century BCE), love isn’t primarily romantic—it’s relational and ethical. The key idea is 仁 (rén), often translated as “humaneness” or “benevolence.”It includes deep care and respect between peopleIt emphasizes emotional closeness without needing physical desireRelationships like friendship, teacher–student, and even idealized bonds can be deeply affectionate but not sexualThis is quite close to what we’d call platonic love: meaningful, morally grounded connection.>read a book, bitch
>>18427024>You have an eurocentric point of viewThat is where christianity comes from, the bible was written in greek, not chinese, you silly buffoon.
>>18427032>That is where christianity comes fromLol So... christianity wasnt born from daniel serving the babylonians, wasn't born from Elijah being persecuted, wasnt born from ezekiel saying that the son shouldnt carry the sin of the father, wasn't born from isaiah saying to end all yoke and subjugation... nopeIts born from plato saying some shit that had already been said, thanks for educating me, buddyNot only that, its amazing that christianty even went and answered to platos "an eye for an eye" with "turn the other cheek", wowzers... his influence is really all over Christianity Lol, retard.
>>18427035The christian bible was written in Greek to a Roman audience, not Chinese or Babylonian or any of your other retarded red herrings.Plato didn't say "an eye for an eye" either, you lying retard, he basically said the opposite that doing bad makes you bad, so a just man can't be virtuous by repeating the bad things wicked men do.
>>18427053>Plato didn't say "an eye for an eye" eitherAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA Anon is so cultured that he read that and instead of understanding that I was referencing how Jewish law is a response to gentile law (hammurabi code) You're the literal embodiment of "but I did have breakfast" as proven in every thread... ahahahahaha what a midwit ahhaahahah
>>18427055No, you were saying how christian law (turn the other cheek) was a response to jewish law (eye for an eye), but Plato made a very similar response by concluding that is can't be virtuous to act wickedly, the name you have chosen truly matches your personality, I can see why it appealed to you so much.
>>18427079>jewish law (eye for an eye)Lol, what is sabbath?Get a load of this retard hahahahaha
>>18427082>Can you please tell me about something else I clearly don't understand?Another retarded red herring you are trying to bring up to distract from your very obvious retardation and lost argument.
>>18427086>Can you please tell me about something else I clearly don't understand?This is exactly how this conversation is going, the irony is killing me
>>18427089I know that is why I pointed out it is exactly what you have been doing with your retarded questions since you showed up ITT.
I'm so platonic that I think the Old Testament could be 100% allegorical and made up and not contradict the fact Christianity is true
>>18427004>Yes, before Plato love was something for lovers and family members, not something that should Cool, so he didnt invent it then since it existed before him>The concept of a positively perfect afterlife was derived from platonic ideals, yes.Crazy how multiple religions that existed far before Plato had perfect afterlife, guess he must have invented time travel too>Because you specifically asked about the good things that we can directly utilize, not the logistical mythological stuff out of direct reach and negative concepts like sin and hell.No actually, we're talking about how Plato supposedly invented all the good things about Christianity and I pointed out the obvious omissions. Also kind of crazy to include>how to liveas NOT part of the good things to directly utilize tier lol
>>18427108>he didnt invent it He invented using it the way christians use it as a virtue instead of using it to refer to lovers or families.>Crazy how multiple religions that existed far before Plato had perfect afterlifeSuch as? Before him afterlife was just more life, but in a different realm, not a perfect ideal existence.>obvious omissions. No, sin and fall and hell are not good things, they are the bad things and the punishment for doing them.>as NOT part of the good thingsThe way they say to live is through faith hope and love, so it was already covered while being vague and indirect.
>>18427123>He inventedHe didnt invent shit, plato was a midwit who only got uplifted cause he belonged to the clique Got owned by diogenes just like ispanked you in this thread
>>18427160Then who first started using it and popularized it as not just a term for lovers, but for spiritual connection and why is it called platonic love instead of whoever else love?
>>18427165You'll never know because that guy probably existed in a time where we hadn't developed a writing system (or maybe they did, but it got lost with a catastrophe)Imagine being so retarded that you think humanity began with the Greeks, lol. Not only did I show you Confucius already had developed that kind of thought (which is natural)... but you continue spewing inane bullshit, i understand it, though... that's just what's in your mind, i can't ask for a paper from a monkey, he's just a monkey.
>>18427079>Plato made a very similar response by concluding that is can't be virtuous to act wickedly,The thing is: to modern jews and Muslims, usury isn't wicked if you do it to non believers.Christianity, as taught by Christ (not the apostles), condemns everything related to money and ownership.Plato lived in a society that had slaves. Get real, son.
>>18426233Is it really stealing if you acknowledge who pioneered that line of thinking? I went to Catholic school and we had classes on philosophy and logic. They of course taught us about St. Augustine and St. Aquinas but wr also learned a lot about classical era philosophers like Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, Cato, Seneca, etc. We acknowledged that the Roman/Greek philosophers were not Catholic but did appreciate their congributions to the greater body of western thought.
>>18427176That's just an enlightenment narrative. How come your catholic shit doesn't teach you how to really understand scripture and instead immerses you into a catholic culture that ignores the hebrew aspects of scripture?. For example, did you know the KJV says that elijah got fed by Ravens but that's a mistranslation?. The root of the word in Hebrew is the same for arab... which one is more likely to feed a man with food, a raven or an arab?. However, your "religion" needed to justify the crusades and so you denied what christ taught you when he told you about the good samaritanBitch
>>18427182(The word is related to moabite, like ruth)
>>18427182Catholics don't use the KJV (King James Version). That's a Protestant translation of the Bible into English which originated in the 1600s. We use versions like the Vulgate, which is from the 4th century AD, well before the Crusades, predating even the Great Schism.
>>18427194Its all the same, buddy. Does any translation say anything other than raven?. I know the thing went over your head but give it another go.
>>18426959Love in the Cosmic sense. Ancient Greeks believed that Love and Strife were the 2 fundamental forces of the cosmos, as Mars and Venus
>>18427123>He invented using it the way christians use it as a virtue instead of using it to refer to lovers or families.Cool, so again he didnt invent love. Thanks for conceding that again>Such as? Before him afterlife was just more life, but in a different realm, not a perfect ideal existence.Field of Reeds, Elysium, the House of Song, etc. The only religion that saw the afterlife as just more life is Buddhists with reincarnation, and even then they have multiple heavens and hells.>No, sin and fall and hell are not good things, they are the bad things and the punishment for doing them.Hell is absolutely a good thing as it is part of God's divine order, and the teachings of sin are good as they teach you what to avoid and misconduct. Are warnings about poison bad, should we not tell kids not to ingest rat poison? If these teachings are not good then Jesus never would have taught them.>The way they say to live is through faith hope and love, so it was already covered while being vague and indirect.No actually, the way to live is to follow the teachings and ways of Jesus Christ which is absolutely not covered by "faith and love" alone. Hence the talk of Sin, Hell, judgement day, the Fall of Man, the Trinity, etc etc. How many times does Plato talk about God the Son, or the Trinity? How many times does he talk about thr concept of sin and how by rejecting Christ permanently damns your soul?
>>18427195The Vulgate does refer to ravens, but again that translation predates the Crusades and even Islam itself, by like 4 centuries. There's no argument to be made here.I seriously doubt the Church was attempting to discriminate against Arabs in the 300s/400s CE. In fact the man who translated it, St. Jerome, lived on Palestine for a good portion of his life and died there. And he is venerated by the Eastern Catholics like the Maronite Church, and the Oriental Orthodox Churches also, some of whom include Arabs.
>>18426233>gatekeeping information
>>18427376Bro, revelations begins telling you that thr plans were made long ago, are you deaf?
>>18427569Schizo
>>18427631At least im not the one who got told ravens fed a prophet and believed it
This talking point is the LARPagan version of "cultural appropriation." How the hell can a metaphysical system steal? That doesn't even make sense. You can acknowledge something as being compatible with your beliefs as the Christians did, but steal? You can't steal eternal truth because you can't possess it in the first place. Actual mental retardation on display here with this OP.
>>18426896Not really
>>18427802They literally had to steal it because Greek pagan metaphysics mogged Judaic metaphysics. They even admitted this in their writings btw
>>18426233This is really stupid so we gotta go one day at a time with you. Look up what he called himself. It's like 7 year old's username. It's like if LeBron James called himself LeGOAT in interviews. What a stupid man. Let that sink in.
>>18428208as opposed to calling yourself the messiah?
>>18426233This isn't as radical as you think Jesus debated Judaism with rabbis during the Passover when he disappeared from his parents, preached to Nicodemus, and spoke about concepts like the soul. In all of these cases, he was engaging with the Hellenic Judaism that had become the norm during his lifetime. Not once did he condemn the Hellenic concepts, but instead he used them and never clarified that he was speaking of something other than the Hellenic-Judaic meaning. And what was the Hellenic part? Platonism. Jesus used Platonic concepts, and didn't find any fault in them for communicating the Word. His apostles, full of the Spirit, also did not find any fault in them either. Christianity was always Platonist from the beginning.
>>18429201>Not once did he condemn the Hellenic concepts, but instead he used them and never clarified that he was speaking of something other than the Hellenic-Judaic meaning. And what was the Hellenic part? Platonism. Jesus used Platonic concepts, and didn't find any fault in them for communicating the Word. His apostles, full of the Spirit, also did not find any fault in them either. Christianity was always Platonist from the beginning.Based, and dare I say Christ-pilled interpretation. No prophet really repudiates any other if they are actually enlightened. They confirm, reframe and recontextualize what is eternally true in the terms that changing societies need to hear. They restate the eternal in terms that the changing world can digest.
