How did you feel when you discovered your rejection of the empty tomb was a result of your rebellion and that the empty tomb is the most historically cogent proposal?
Lol you retards really have a hard time doing abstract thinking, huhThe tomb is empty because Jesus inhabits in his "body", the people who keep him alive through the actions he told them to do.
>>18426675the tomb is empty because jesus' followers moved his body in the middle of the night then claimed he *gasp* must have resurrected!No you can't see him, he uh...he resurrected then went away. He'll be back though, and soon! Even before any of this generation dies.
>>18426753Sure thing, buddyWhat's next, you're gonna tell me about the talking snake and the bread and fish multiplying when though those things are impossible?. Whew, lad.Imagine being so dense you read about a talking donkey and instead of thinking "the donkey must be a representation of something" your mind just goes "but donkeys don't talk" Looooooooooooooool
Hahahahaa i wonder what it's like to be so stupid "Imagine you didn't have breakfast today" "but I did" tier Lmaooo
>>18426671You guys should do make your own version of psychology instead of this.
>>18426753There is actually a much simpler explanation: Jesus was not buried in a tomb at all. Paul never claims this, and it is inconceivable the Romans would have allowed someone they crucified to be buried respectfully. Much more likely his body was treated the same way they treated other people they crucified, which is to say they left him to rot for several days before tossing him into a mass unmarked grave.
>>18426806So all those witnesses up and lied about Jesus being placed in a private tomb then, is what you're saying.
>>18426928The faithful, lying to advance their cause? Can't be.
>>18426757You only think like this because atheism won and you're a child of the atheist paradigm. Before atheism became the dominant cultural force, most people didn't think supernatural claims like talking donkeys or walking on water were apriori ridiculous, it was just a question of whether your supernatural claims contradict theirs.But of course you don't realize this because fish can't see water.
>>18426928>So all those witnessesThe gospel authors?
>>18426964>but i did have breakfast Ahahhahhaha
>>18427026The one who is getting breakfast filtered is you. Your entire point is that because you personally think supernatural claims like donkeys talking are ridiculous, it must be that all people throughout history also thought they were ridiculous. You simply cannot conceptualise a world where all thinking isn't coloured by a background noise of atheistic naturalism.
>>18427044>>18426757>Imagine being so dense you read about a talking donkey and instead of thinking "the donkey must be a representation of something" your mind just goes "but donkeys don't talk"Wow, so you not only youre unable to comprehend what you read... youre literally unable to read. Looooool>but I did have breakfast
>>18427047Are you projecting or just straight up retarded? You think religious people throughout history thought talking donkeys were just symbolic because you yourself cannot even conceptualise someone sincerely believing in talking donkeys. Furthermore, the reason why you can't conceptualise that is because you were raised in a culture completely saturated with implicit atheistic naturalism. You're a child of Hume who knows not of a world before disenchantment.
>>18426806This is 100% what happened. That's why Paul doesn't mention the empty tomb at all and the story gets more detailed and contradictory with every passing gospel author.
>>18427051Lol Yeah, buddy. Allegories weren't a thing all over history, it isn't part of human behavior. In fact, george orwell made animal farm because he wanted to share his belief of talking animals with othrr people Hahahahahahaahahahahahahahahaahhahaahahhahahahahahsha
>>18427058Thank you for proving my point. You did eat breakfast and people throughout history didn't actually believe in supernatural stuff. As I said, you've been mindbroken by ambient atheism to the point that you think everyone throughout history was a naturalist.
>>18427069>Thank you for proving my point.Imagine being this delusional Lol, no wonder you spend all day getting spanked in this board, whew lad.
>>18427077Nice argument, breakfast boy. Wanna tell me more about how all people throughout history were Humean naturalists?
>>18427081>were Humean naturalists?Its spelled "human", buddy
>>18427085"Humean" refers to the ideas of David Hume, brainlet.
>>18427087HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH
>>18427091Nice melty.
>>18426928What witnesses lol, Paul says he was told there were 500 people who "saw" Jesus after he died, but he doesn't claim to have met any of them, and even if any of these people were real, none of them wrote anything down, so they also aren't claiming Jesus was buried in a tomb either. You only start hearing claims of a tomb with the Gospels, which as >>18427056 points out, all of which add a bunch of details Paul mysteriously never mentions. This is a bit off topic but since you mentioned "witnesses", Paul he also doesn't clarify if any of those witnesses saw Jesus physically or if he appeared to them as sort of vision, which is what Paul means when he says that he himself was a witness(1 Corinthians 15:8).Even if they had seen him physically, this also means very little. One, they would need to have known him when he was alive to even verify he was the same guy, could have been an imposter. And yeah, some of them could have lied. During the Time of Troubles multiple people claimed to be a long dead son of a Russian Tsar and had people follow them based on that. After the first of these imposters died, a second imposter showed up, and the first one's wife "confirmed" he was the same guy.
>>18427220There were three false Dmitry's iirc.Wait I just checked, there were four. There's actually a large amount of impostor Tsars in Russian history for whatever reason.
>>18427220The best theory of the "500 brethren at once" thing imo, given how strange it is that it isn't mentioned anywhere else, is that it originally said, "on Pentecost to the brethren," in which case Acts' depiction of the appearance of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost would be the corresponding story told in more detail.https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/14255
The Gospel itself claims:>Matthew 28:11 While the women were on their way, some of the guards went into the city and reported to the chief priests everything that had happened. 12 When the chief priests had met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money, 13 telling them, “You are to say, ‘His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.’ 14 If this report gets to the governor, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble.” 15 So the soldiers took the money and did as they were instructed. And this story has been widely circulated among the Jews to this very day.
>>18426928we do not have a single record from an eyewitness of jesus
>>18426806>and it is inconceivable the Romans would have allowed someone they crucified to be buried respectfullyunlikely maybe, but not inconceivable. If a priest sympathetic to the Jesus movement had requested it of the Roman authorities as a way of placating Jesus' followers I can see that having been granted.
