>Jesus had a brother who became the head of the Jerusalem church>Paul even recounts meeting him in person>Jesus's brother apparently never wrote anything down about his life and Paul doesn't seem to care about anything he learned about Jesus from himSeriously, what gives? If I was Paul I would strap James to a chair and force him to write on a papyrus every single thing about Jesus' life.
>>18428725They hated each other because Paul wanted to scam goys while James was actually an honest Jew and didn't want to be around filthy goys, like his brother Rabbi Yeshua.
Jesus hard no brothers
Jesus' family controlled the Bishropic of Jerusalem until Judah Kyriakos, the last ancestor of Jesus to control it
All gods are mythologiesAll holy books are fictionalPolitics is TreacheryReligion is Brainwashing
Hebrew: Jacob (Yakob)Greek: IakobosLatin: IacobusGerman: JakobusDutch: JacobusFrench: JacquesItalian: GiacomoSpanish: Jacobo (or Iago)Romanian: IacobRussian: Yakobfucking Basque: Jakuefucking Japanese: Yakobufucking Chinese: YageEnglish: JamesUh?
>>18428742Matthew 13:55
>>18429090I think the Russian (or maybe it's Yiddish?) is Yakov, with a v. Was my great-grandfather's name.
If I was Paul, I would have tried to arrange a meeting with Mary.Maybe gone on a pilgrimage to the empty tomb.
>>18429094Yeah probably, my bad.
>>18428725Paul doesn't just not care about James' teachings, he outright thinks himself superior to the "super apostles" he mockingly refers to because his gospel is the only gospel that matters. Even if heaven sends down a new gospel it is to be rejected. That's his actual standard and it's insane if you take even a moment to think about what he's saying. He explicitly criticizes those who follow James for causing the early rift in Christianity which led to his public rebuke of Peter in pic rel. And just a bit earlier for context in Galatians 2:9, Paul refers to James, Cephas (Peter), and John as those who "seemed to be pillars" In Galatians 2:6, he remarks on the status of these leaders, saying their reputation or position is irrelevant to his own divine commission. And also he lies about what they actually wanted from him>All they asked was that we should continue to remember the poor, the very thing I had been eager to do all along.What they wanted was observance of the law for Jews (hence the reason they were called the circumcision group/Judaizers) and for the Gentiles to be essentially Noahides https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%2015%3A12-21&version=NIV Paul lies to them by taking the Nazirite vow and then explicitly teaches the opposite things in his own writings for both Jews and Gentiles. This is very consistent with his methodology throughout the bible https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%209%3A20-23&version=NIV The only reasons this guy is even accepted is because he wrote a lot, lied to everyone and most importantly his target audience was way bigger than that of even Jesus himself https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2015:24&version=NIV which is ironic considering that he claims his authority came to him in a dream from Jesus that nobody else saw
>>18428725>>18428731>>18428742Jesus had only one full-on brother, but several adoptive brothers and step-brothers.Because, his paternal father was Juba II of the Massylii, whose tribal name comes from "Michal-Saulii" due to David and Michal having to adopt away their baby firstborn into the Gaetuli salttrader berbers, namesake of the tribe of Gad - in order to protect it from Saul who threatened to kill them all 3 if they even interacted with eachother again.This is the reason why Dido/Elissa moved towards Numidia to form Carthage, because the coastal berber chiefdom whom adhered to a similar Osirian faith as the old Israel of Egypt had recently received the firstborn of David from the Gaetuli traders.The Armenian church is Jesus' step-family because his father Juba II married Glaphyra for a year, and the Severan dynasty was his brothers descended family due to descending from his niece Drusilla of Mauretania.Drusilla is probably what Disney based Rey Skywalker on btw, as Augustus' family adopted Juba II, making Drusilla raised as part of both House Massylii (Skywalker) and the Julio-Claudians (Palpatine).I expect zero civilized responses.
>>18429284Nicene Christianity is basically Paul's religion with Jesus as his puppet.
Did Paul ever do miracles?
>>18428725It's almost like "brother of the Lord" is only a cult title for an ordinary Christian as opposed to an apostle (because they all considered themselves to be adopted children of God and hence brothers of Jesus). And the James called "the brother of the Lord" is being opposed to the apostle James mentioned later alongside Peter and John, who are collectively more likely identified with the prominent disciples Peter, James, and John, with none of them being the literal family of Jesus.
Imagine arguing so much about pointless stuff instead of really getting his point. Jesus said: be careful of those who like high positions and make long prayers, be like the son of man who has come to serve... then we have paul talking about faith not works; slave obey your masters And james saying "what good is it to say "the joy of the lord be with you" when you know your brother needs food, faith must be accompanied by works". For John taught: whomever has two robes, must share with who has none. Those who have food, must share with those who have none.The same way jesus told his disciples to turn over all their possessions before they carry their own cross... do you think you can carry your own cross while owning slaves?, lmao. Yet you retards will pointlessly argue about Paul this and that, youre complete idiots.
>>18429479Paul fans should all be neoMarcionites, i.e. they should take seriously the very early indication that Paul's writings were tampered with and added to, possibly by the church in Rome, which is why Marcion had a shorter version of his letter collection and why in our version Paul seems to frequently be at odds with himself. And the Marcionites as well as the Valentinians who favored Paul can be looked to as more faithful representatives of his ideas.
>>18429487Paul, peter and whatever church denomination should all just call themselves the synagogue of satan But they take an oath not to reveal anything they do behind closed doors, so there you have them teaching false doctrine to make others twice the son of the devil they are
>>18429491I do think the author of Revelation may have had Pauline Christians or a branch of them in mind when he refers to the synogue of Satan, "those who says they are jews and are not" (Romans 2:28, "A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code.) and those who teach "the deep things of Satan" (1 Corinthians 2:10, "But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.")But the author of Revelation is all about God inflicting hellfire and torture all over the place, while Paul has perhaps the least indication of belief in eternal torment, so I see the author of Revelation being opposed to Paul as a point in Paul's favor.Revelation 14:10-11They will also drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured unmixed into the cup of his anger, and they will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image and for anyone who receives the brand of its name.”
>>18429502>But the author of Revelation is all about God inflicting hellfire and torture all over the placeRevelations is about the stars. Earth goes through a cataclysmic event every 12k years approximately. This is to prevent humanity from completely destroying earth... it's what Noah is about. Earth gets fully corrupted > cataclysm > reset with a few humans and animalsRevelations promises that instead of a Noah, there will be 144.000 people saved and they will "reside" with Jesus in the new Jerusalem (the world). My interpretation is that 144.000 will be reborn and they will have an influence on the world that will help those who survive the cataclysm to form a new society under the guide of Jesus, the real one.
The righteous perish, and no one takes it to heart;the devout are taken away, and no one understandsthat the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil.2 Those who walk uprightly enter into peace; they find rest as they lie in death.3 “But you—come here, you children of a sorceress, you offspring of adulterers and prostitutes!4 Who are you mocking? At whom do you sneer and stick out your tongue?Are you not a brood of rebels, the offspring of liars?
>>18429502>a Jew who is one only outwardlyWhoops, that "only" is the NIV translators doing interpretive work. The KJV and the NRSV are more true to the Greek in this case. "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:" "For a person is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision something external and physical."
>>18429518>PROCEEDS TO PERFORM METZITZAH PBEH ON HIS BOYTOY FOR GOOD GOY POINTSWoe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter.
>>18429522Acts is the Jewish-Christian-friendly rewrite of Paul, so yes it makes him a hypocrite.
>>18429526*Maybe Jewish-Christian-friendly is overstating it, and a better word would be catholicizing or anti-Marcionite.
Also anti-Gnostic
>>18429529>>18429526That quote is literally stolen from gospel of thomas, trying to portray Paul as this guy who's really enlightened when he's just wrapping his lies in truth. (53) His disciples said to him: Is circumcision useful or not? He said to them: If it were useful, their father would beget him from their mothers (already) circumcised. But the true circumcision in the Spirit has proved useful in every way.He repeats a thing jesus said then adds his own... do you remember the parable of the wheat and the chaff?.
>>18429531Common ideas don't necessarily imply malicious theft. It could be the entirely non-malicious repetition of an idea which a person believes is true, maybe reflecting a common tradition or source of ideas between two people.
>>18429535>hey guise, this guy who's an enemy of Rome and the jews (i am both btw) just appeared to me in a vision... and guess what, all the things he said need annotations, but dont worry, he made me the ultimate apostle. >man is head of woman, slaves obey your masters, circumcision is of the spirit, Timothy... come ere boy
>>18429284Imagine dedicating all your life to learn this bullshit by heart, only to do so at the time of harvest. Whoops.26Wen da plants come up an make wheat, same time da weeds come up, >but den can tell da weed diffren from da wheat. 27Da guys dat work fo da owna go by him an tell, ‘Eh boss, da seeds you wen plant inside da field, was good, o wat? How come get weeds?’28“Da farma tell um, ‘One guy dat stay agains me wen plant um ova dea, az why.’“Da worka guys tell, ‘You like us go pull out da weeds?’29“He tell, ‘No, I no like. If you guys do dat, you goin pull out da wheat too. 30Let um grow togedda till dey stay ready. Den pull out da weeds firs, an tie um togedda fo burn. Den harves da wheat, an put um inside da storage place.’ ”
>>18429538I'm convinced that a great deal of what people find objectionable about Paul (the sexism, the slavery, the hypocrisy and double-speak, circumcising Timothy even though he was adamant about not letting Titus be cirumcised in Galatians, etc.) are all false additions to Paul's life and letters by the church that wanted to take him from Marcion and the Gnostics. Much of the sexism isn't even controversial, since many academics agree that the pastoral letters are forged and the line in 1 Corinthians 14 about women staying silent wasn't originally there.
>>18429545The letters being forged doesn't mean they're not God-breathed
>>18429545>are all false additionsLol Buddy, protochristians and gnostics were persecuted for the same reason: they believed in gospel of thomas Jesus and rejected the system in its entirely. Paul advocates to remain there and do your best while waiting for him to come back, someday, if you work your very best for your master. Are you dense or being intentionally malicious?. Saul is a psyop made to takeover Christianity because it was fucking up societal structure... rome couldbt work without slaves, empires cant exist without castes or differences, subjugation cant exist if everyone owns everything. Get real, bitch. I know youre dumb but stop acting retarded.
>>18429550I'm saying the character Saul is a fiction. In that sense Saul is a psy-op. But the historical person called Paul who wrote a good portion of the canonical letters attributed to him (though maybe only something like a third of the total text in the find analysis) is different from the psyop that was performed by the church modifying his letters and overwriting his life story.
Look at this>(22) Jesus saw some little ones nursing. He said to his disciples, "These little ones who are nursing resemble is those who enter the kingdom." They said to him, "So shall we enter the kingdom by being little ones?" Jesus said to them, "When you (plur.) make the two one and make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside and the above like the below, and that you might make the male and the female be one and the same, so that the male might not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye and a hand in place of a hand and a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image - then you will enter [the kingdom].">(114) Simon Peter said to them, "Mary should leave us, for females are not worthy of life." Jesus said, "See, I am going to attract her to make her male so that she too might become a living spirit that resembles you males. For every female (element) that makes itself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."How convenient for Paul to repeat that under jesus there is no man or woman, greek or Roman... and ain't it strange that when he teaches, he tells his disciples to continue the tradition of keeping women away from God and under men?. Its almost like he's wrapping lies in truth, and they took out the gospel of thomas because it's very easy to see beyond the church and nicene christianity when you read it.
The Psyop happened just a bit later than you think.
>>18429560Nope. The gospels tell you: peter renounced christ. The apochryphal gospels are even harsher with all the apostles, for they denied mary (called the beloved disciple or apostle john) and didnt allow the one true disciple from revealing the doctrine as taught bt Jesus.
>>18429567Peter denies Jesus three times, but he's forgiven, or so it looks like to me is what happened when Jesus gives him three opportunities to repeat that he loves him in John 21 and then tells him "Follow me."Also the beloved disciple isn't actually said to be the apostle John son of Zebedee anywhere in John. The sons of Zebedee are mentioned, but no identification of one with the beloved disciple is made. It's purely a tradition.
>>18429583Buddy, you havent read shit. I have. Youve never sang the hymn with Jesus, you didn't dance in a circle. You dont know about the lamp, the mirror, or the door. You didn't read the testimony of the beloved disciple who ran and bitterly cried laughing at the things he saw, the cross of light that unites all of humanity in one man who uplifts us all. I have. I have seen the future. You, your lies, and beliefs, are all destined to be thrown into the fire. The seal is broken.
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>>18429472Why doesn't Paul refer to dudes like Barnabas as brother of the lord? Why does he list James separately in the resurrection appearances?
>>18429346>Jesus had only one full-on brother, I am seeing double here! Four Gods!
>>18430977He does refer to other brothers of the Lord in 1 Corinthians 9:5, again seeming to contrast that title with apostles, and in that case the collective of "apostles and brothers of the lord" refers to a group that Paul and Barnabas seem to think they properly belong to and so should share the same rights as.Then there's the million times Paul doesn't use the full phrase "brother(s) of the Lord" but does refer to various fellow Christians as "brothers," because, y'know, they believed they all became brothers when they were adopted as children of God, which would make them brothers of the Lord Jesus.>Why does he list James separately in the resurrection appearances?Maybe because there was one claimed appearance specifically to (the disciple/apostle) James? Peter also gets listed separately before the twelve are mentioned as a collective, so it doesn't seem like he's listing all the people Jesus appeared to, but rather all of the separate appearances of Jesus and who he appeared to in each instance.
>>18431023So the James Paul met in Galatians and James he is referring to in 1 Corinthians are two different guys? Even so, it doesnt make sense if Galatians James is some random guy. For starters, Paul clearly considers him to be someone important. And how could he have risen to such prominence in the Jerusalem church if he was neither a relative to Jesus or even an apostle?
>>18431035>it doesnt make sense if Galatians James is some random guy. For starters, Paul clearly considers him to be someone importantIn the passage where Paul refers to James, the brother of the Lord, in Galatians 1:11-24, it makes more sense for that James to not be someone important, because there Paul is trying to support his claim that "the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ." So he's trying to emphasize how little contact he's had with the leaders of the established Christian church. He says,>my immediate response was not to consult any human being.>I did not go up to Jerusalem to see those who were apostles before I was, but I went into Arabia.>Then after three years [three whole years!], I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Cephas [Peter] and stayed with him fifteen days [only fifteen days!]. I saw none of the other apostles—only James, the Lord’s brother [this James was not an apostle]. I assure you before God that what I am writing you is no lie.>Then I went to Syria and Cilicia. I was personally unknown to the churches of Judea that are in Christ.Now, there is disagreement between popular translations over whether Galatians 1:19 is properly understood as identifying James as one of the apostles alongside Peter or specifically not an apostle. According to Richard Carrier and the people he cites, the Greek grammar is pretty clear that what it actually says is that this James is not an apostle, and those who translate it otherwise are reading what they assume Paul must mean into it even if it isn't quite what he actually said. I'm not a Greek expert myself, so I can only point this out https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/11516Then the James mentioned later as one the pillars alongside Peter and John would be the disciple James mentioned in the gospels, the three who were privileged to see the transfiguration.
>>18429366He survived those shipwrecks. And he did cast out that one spirit.
>>18429366Acts' has him do various miracles similar to Jesus, including miraculous healings, exorcisms, and even an implied bread multiplying miracle like Jesus for 276 people in Acts 27:35. In the letters Paul mentions performing miracles, but I don't think much detail is given. 2 Corinthians 12:12, "The signs of an apostle were performed among you with utmost patience, signs and wonders and mighty works." Possibly he mentions it again somewhere else, but that's the one I know offhand.1 Corinthians 12 refers to "gifts of healing" and "the working of powerful deeds" as among the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
>>18431059This is kind of convincing. I always have the view that Paul talks about meeting Peter and James as a way to *establish* his credibility. Since it's normal, right? Why wouldn't you say that the moment you had a vision from God you wanted to corroborate your facts with your buddies to make sure it's legit? Paul was a strange fellow. But what are your thoughts on the James in Acts? Certainly it's referring to the one in Galatians, right? Or do you believe Acts is not too historical?
James spoke to the Evangelists who used him as one of their sources for the Gospels.
>>18431244Acts has Paul go to Jerusalem with Barnabas to meet the apostles in Acts 9 before the disciple James brother of John is martyred in Acts 12, so I don't think Acts is necessarily an obstacle to identifying the pillar James as the brother of John.I know there's a James who continues to be mentioned in Acts after James the brother of John's martyrdom, but my best guess is that this James should be identified with James son of Alphaeus, another of the twelve disciples who happens to have the name James. That James is introduced in the list of disciples in Acts 1:13. If it isn't him, then there would be an important James who is never clearly introduced, which would be odd storywise.>do you believe Acts is not too historical?I don't think Acts is worthless as a historical document, but I do think its author has an agenda to portray a Paul who is more in harmony with the other apostles as well as less offensive to Jewish-Christians, in opposition to Marcionite and some Gnostic understandings of Paul.At the far extreme of questioning Acts' account of things, I really like the theory that Paul and Simon Magus are derived from the same historical figure, one being him as portrayed by his fans and the other being him as portrayed by the people who hated his guts. Then part of what Acts would be doing is "rescuing" Paul from the Simon Magus caricature of him and reconciling Paul to a more orthodox perspective by splitting Simon off as a separate character and given Paul a new backstory as Saul ([S]imon P[aul]) the hyper-Jewish persecutor. But I don't think there's a smoking gun for it, just some oddities that fit neatly with it, like what's talked about in the into to https://thegodabovegod.com/great-declaration-simon-magus/
>>18431346(cont.) I found a blogpost quoting an article sayinghttps://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3729>The James of Galatians 2 can’t be the brother of John (and therefore must instead be the James named in Galatians 1), because Acts says he was dead by then.But as I mentioned above I'm not sure how they're opposed. Galatians 2 has Paul go up to Jerusalem with Barnabas to meet James, Peter, and John and be properly accepted by them for the first time, and Acts 9 has Paul go up to Jerusalem with Barnabas to meet the apostles and be accepted by them for the first time (at least it doesn't look they refused to accept him, since Barnabas vouched for him). And that's before James brother of John's martyrdom, so where's the difficulty? Maybe it's in the chronology, since Acts at least makes it look like things happened much, much faster than Galatians (in Galatians there's a 14 year interim between Paul's first meeting with Peter and his going to meet the apostles with Barnabas). But if they are at odds then I would just say that Acts compressed the story a lot, probably partly in the interest of showing Paul as having a close relationship with the other apostles from the get-go even if it isn't quite accurate.
>>18429505>Revelations is about the stars>My interpretation is that 144.000 will be rebornThe only real good info in the bible is about anthropology, psychology, astronomy, botany and lingustics. the schizophrenic prophecies are the growing tail-end redactions of nepotistic priests who try to write themselves into relevance by "noticing" the same patterns that their forefathers "promised" to them.The nepotism and incompetence is why the bible was doomed for eternal censorship from the start, and why oral history passed through rap battles of wit will win in the long run. scripture breeds neurodivergent cults.
>>18431566Didnt read you, sorryLol
>>18429538>>man is head of womanOT says man is lord over his wife
>>184318343 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? >6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
Youre playing a losing game here, buddy. Theres a reason the church is instituted on what paul says, jesus words can be purposefully misinterpreted but their meaning is clear when light is shedAnd i am light
>>18431848God also said to the first man, because you listened to your wife, cursed be the ground because of you.And to the woman he said, I will make your desire be to your husband and he will rule over you.
>>18431857>also said to the first manLolYeah, dude. Sure. Whatever your clerical institution told is true.Aint it cool, though?. And it also repeated with Mohammed, God directly interfered and gave him commands that put him over all others, male and female, just because he was the special one.
>>18431857>to the woman he said, I will make your desire be to your husband and he will rule over you.For your Maker is your husband— the Lord Almighty is his name—the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer; he is called the God of all the earth.6 The Lord will call you back as if you were a wife deserted and distressed in spirit—a wife who married young, only to be rejected,” says your God.7 “For a brief moment I abandoned you, but with deep compassion I will bring you back.8 In a surge of anger I hid my face from you for a moment,but with everlasting kindness I will have compassion on you,” says the Lord your Redeemer.
Woman, just as man, was made to worship God Not one another under subjugation and unequal yoke.
>>18431861The wife is not women, the wife is Israel. God is not talking about women here.Why do you think a man can have multiple wives condones by God but a wife must be loyal to her husbands? Because the man is lord over his wives. My lord is how Sarah referred to Abraham.
>>18431860So you claim genesis is not true? Yet you quote Jesus quoting genesis?
>>18431871I claim you don't even know what Genesis is about, retard. Do you speak hebrew?, do you even understand what the snake or the tree are?. Lol, imagine thinking you look cool by saying all this shit only to be seen like a barking dog (yes, I called you DOG. not small puppy, DOG.)This is equal to you snarking at me cause your daddy taught you that 1+1 is hotdogs and since you've never left your house, you don't even know ridiculous that sounds to people who know math.What a pitiful existence.
So if Paul is a fraud, doesn't that mean gentiles can't be saved?
>>18431885For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes >in him shall not perish but have eternal life
>>18429090>Spanish: Jacobo or IagoThere's also Jaime
