>The Mongol invasion of Iran (13th-14th centuries) was exceptionally brutal, characterized by massacres and widespread destruction that killed an estimated 70–90% of the population. Major cities like Nishapur and Merv were eradicated, destroying Persian cultural centers and agricultural infrastructure, with the population taking centuries to recoverhttps://www.history.co.uk/articles/brutal-acts-of-genghis-khan-and-his-successorsWhy were the Mongols so insanely brutal to the Iranians?
>>18428754They killed his peace and trade envoys.
>>18428754It's always crazy how people stereotype East Asian men as being weak and beta when you think about history. I mean fuck Slavs are literally an entire race of rapebabies spawned from the loins of East Asian bvlls.The white man and brown man fear the golden yellow BVLL.
>>18428763It feels more like a trait often associated with steppe peoples, being seen as bloodthirsty, edgy, and cruel. Nomadic groups were a constant threat to Chinese civilization for centuries, and the Mongols did commit some horrific acts against civilians. So it’s not that surprising that there’s still some hostility or negative attitudes in China toward Mongolia today
>>18428754The Iranian military was all in the hands of Turkish warlords at the time, Turks who are often equated to being "basically the same" as the Mongols.>>18428770>It feels more like a trait often associated with steppe peoples, being seen as bloodthirsty, edgy, and cruel. This is a trope invented by the internet, and is much too favorable towards them, actual accounts of "steppe peoples" give an impression of a race of opportunistic bandits, slavers, cattle thieves, who preferred taking without a fight. "Bloodthirsty cruelty" implies a sort of berserker rage of the charging cataphract ready to die against impossible odds, rather than the greedy cruelty of the pirate who would not dare target a man-o-war.
>>18428814>actual accounts of "steppe peoples" give an impression of a race of opportunistic bandits, slavers, cattle thievesWhich is exactly what they were, on top of being inhumanly cruel and evil.The entire history of steppe peoples from the Ancient Xiongnu to the 18th century Dzungars is essentially:>raid, kill and rape each other when divided>raid, kill and rape whatever civilization is unfortunate enough to be close to them when united, razing infrastructure to the ground while massacring defenseless civilians in excessively cruel ways for no apparent reason other than because they enjoy being cruel monstersThe Russian Empire and Qing China did humanity a favor by putting those rabid dogs down and even then they got off light for all the suffering, destruction and wanton cruelty they inflicted on civilization for thousands of years.
>>18428884Which band of slavers and thieves were not cruel or evil? Real warriors, like the Legionnaires, Knights, or Mamluks, and even the Nokhers or Tarkhans amongst the Tartars were also "cruel" and "evil" but they were also ferocious in battle, which is truly exceptional.
Steppe people and their cultures can be simply described as comically evil people living under subhuman conditions That why things like mamluk slave soldiers happened it was better to be a indentured servant in the middle east than to be a free man in the steppes
>>18428964>That why things like mamluk slave soldiers happened it was better to be a indentured servant in the middle east than to be a free man in the steppesYou should actually study history some time. The Nogais were persistent in maintaining their pastoral lifestyle in the face of the Crimean Khan and Russian attempts to settle them permanently, believing God himself ordained that they should be nomadic.
>>18428763Turkic people that conquered Slavs (Mongols never got there) aren't East Asian lmaoBasically Asians could only conquer other Asians meanwhile every Asian country except Thailand got bent over by Europeans at some point
>>18429001original Turks are yellow East Asians bruhalso search up the Golden Horde also what Sino Tibetans did to the Tocharians in the Tarim BasinWhat Babur and his progeny did to upper caste Hindu princessesin all these cases it was something rhyming with a purple fruitIndo “Aryans” have been our sex toys since time immemorial, and will continue in the Chinese century
>>18428952>Which band of slavers and thieves were not cruel or evil?So the takeaway here is that steppe peoples were just bands of slavers and thieves?If that's the case, I agree
>>18429063>will continue in the Chinese centuryIndia and China have always been more “cold but respectful,” not like China with Central Asia. Honestly, Turkic people should be worried China might end up treating Central Asia like the US treats Mexico.
They were uppity
The Mongols sent trade caravans which a governor of Persia looted. The Mongol sent envoys but they were murdered. These actions angered the Great Khan.
>>18429109>Turkic people should be worried China might end up treating Central Asia like the US treats Mexico.Why? The US is on track to become Mexico 2
>>18428754>The brutal funeral procession of Genghis Khan This is really cool and all, but it sounds made up.
>>18428763Mongols and Temu mongols (Turks) were always respected by Europeans. The stereotype hav more to do with chinese and indochina rice farmers
>>18429227>and indochina rice farmersgiven their history, why the fuck would anybody accuse the Vietnamese of being timid?
>>18429227I wouldn't call it respect per se. It obviously varies between time, place, and who's talking but the Europeans generally regarded the 'Tatars' (all steppers) to be a bunch of barbaric stinking savages from the orient who knew nothing other than destruction and despotism, even if martially apt.And prior to entering in direct competition with China/Japan/Korea Europeans tended to highly praise east Asians, their refined manners, complex philosophy, exquisite culture, etc. A prominent Jesuit in the Qing court was routinely puzzked by the fact the Qing spent so much time and money patronizing Tibetan Buddhism instead of the vastly more advanced Confucianism and finally reasoned it was just to placate the mongols. Which in fairness is kind of the concensus on the matter. I disagree with it thoughie.>>18429244It's just trash talk. Also these types of blanket racial statements are rarely spoken with any care iven to the actual facts..Not since De Gobineau, and he was catastrophically wrong about most things because of his time.
>>18429244East asians are "beta" in the same way some europeans are. They can be very fierce if that's the socially commanded attitude.
>>18429289We're just declining as a society and civilisation so retards see people who abide by rules when nobody is watching and think "heh bunch of fucking cucks, they should be littering and scheming like me, a based ubermensch" to feel better about themselves.
>>18429227>respected by Europeans. The only Europeans who tended to admire nomadic peoples were Western Europeans who had never experienced Mongol invasions firsthand. In contrast, Eastern Europe developed a long-standing hostility toward steppe groups. The brutality of Cossack and Russian expansion into the Urals and Central Asia can partly be explained by this history, and the Balkans are often cited as an example of how deeply rooted regional violence can become.
>>18429378>We're just declining as a society and civilisation.Does that mean we should admire historical figures responsible for genocide? Because honestly, a lot of figures from history were just as bad as Netanyahu.
Genghis Khan's camp was invaded when he was still a teenager, his bride Borte was kidnapped during the invasion and kept hostage for months.Shortly after her rescue, she gave birth to Jochi. In order to save face and not be eternally known as a giga cuck, and also to cope with the fact that his loving, promised virginal waifu had been made a sex slave and was pounded hard and creampied in every orifice every day for months, poor Temujin bit the bullet and claimed Jochi as his eldest son. Which no one believed, not even his other sons, which in turn caused his empire to almost completely blow up as soon as he kicked the bucket and then it did blow up anyway some 40 years later.
>>18428763Nomadic easterners sure. Everyone else were silk wearing sissies
>>18428763Slavs drove mongols back and raped the rest into submission. It's the opposite, mentally ill faggot.
>>18429925Lol fucking cope retarded Slav sissy boy. You got raped into submission by big yellow cocks. Even now your women thirst after big Korean and Japanese cocks. Slavic women were built for Big Yellow Cock. Your whole race was spawned out of a golden bvll's penis. Faggot.>The Mongols invaded Europe with three armies. One of the three armies was tasked with distracting Poland, before joining the main Mongol force invading Hungary. The Mongol general in charge, Subutai, did not want the Polish forces to be able to threaten his flank during the primary invasion of Hungary. Thus, the Mongol goal was to use a small detachment to prevent the Poles from assisting Hungary until the Hungarians were defeated. The primary Mongol invasion of the Polish duchies was preceded by a reconnaissance expedition. That army, under Baidar, Kadan and Orda Khan, began scouting operations in late 1240.[2] A Mongol detachment, advancing from Ruthenia through Volodymyr-Volhynskyi, invaded the Duchy of Sandomierz in the winter of 1240–1241.[3]Though the Mongols may have entered with relatively modest goals and forces, they almost completely annihilated the Polish forces and influenced the Bohemian army to defend its homeland instead of assisting beleaguered Hungary.Get rekt bitch. Polish women were built to be fucked by yellow men.
>>18429925https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Hordetook them a while
>>18429212It kinda is, but its more accurate to say that it stems from poor use of the sources and archeology. Primary sources did talk about the destruction, but they were inconsistent with each other and the archeology and had incentive to describe them that way. The archeology also doesn't support the idea that it was the Mongol conquest that destroyed them but rather that these cities depopulated over time. I forgot the details, but you should be able to search for the papers that discuss this.>>18429446Not the Poles for a period of time. Search up Sarmatism. They viewed Turks and Tartars as ethnic brothers.
>>18429964>They viewed Turks and Tartars as ethnic brothers.The Tartars did not even view each other as ethnic brothers.
>>18429964>Search up Sarmatism>Sarmatism = Turks and TartarsThe Sarmatians were Iranian, and Sarmatism in Poland kinda boosted admiration for Persian culture.
>>18428763Mongolians are like twice the size and 3x the strength of chinks and completely dominated them as well back then. Never compare the two.
>>18428754Dirty Turks got what they deserved. The brutal Mongol domination of Turko-Orcs was a beautiful thing, a highlight of history.
>>18429972>The Tartars did not even view each other as ethnic brothers.They didn't have to. This is merely on the Polish Sarmatist perspective.>>18429995>The Sarmatians were Iranian, and Sarmatism in Poland kinda boosted admiration for Persian culture.In reality the Sarmatians were Iranian, but the Polish nobles who subscribed to Sarmatism did not know this. They thought they were Tartar. You can see Turkish influence in Polish fashion at this time very clearly too.
>>18429446>The brutality of CossackCossacks mainly excursed via boats, and as such targeted coastal communities living along the Black Sea and the Caspian, so the Caucasus, Pontic Turkey, and southern Crimea, none of which were "steppe", historically illiterate moron.
>>18430108Copehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_conquest_of_Siberia
>>18430113I wouldn't consider trading furs and metals with indigenes more brutal than sacking villages and kidnapping Turkish women.
>>18429951Mongols are the defeated and raped race now though along with the rest of asian subhumans like you. What is there to cope about? Chink and whatever asian foids lusting after Slavic male model BWC?
>>18430492Remember that Russian Mongol bvll who slaughtered that Ukrainian sissy slavoid in melee combat? Cope more Poleshit sissy. Mongol bvlls are still alive and strong and rampaging in Eastern Europe cracking slavoid skulls. Golden yellow bvlls never left. You lost, slav(e) cuck.
>>18430513Mongol bvlls in question die from FPV drones and aids after raping each other.
No idea if China or Iran ever got revenge on the Mongols, but Slavic People definitely didhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Kazanhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_conquest_of_Central_Asiahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Samarkand_(1868)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_campaign_(1675)
>>18428763>>It's always crazy how people stereotype East Asian men as being weak and betajust because they spammed horse archers for a while doesn't mean they are strong or chad-like. The moment everyone figured out their shit, they became irrelevant to this day.
>>18430843china genocided the dzungars
>>18430843Samarkand was inhabited by Tajiks, Crimea by Greek peasants, in both cases the Tartars were just tyrants and squatters.
>>18430908The Manchu were half and half Chinese and Steppe so not really a win for China.Whether they were playing up the being son of Heaven of the middle Kingdom or being the successor of Genghis Khan, Chakravartin, etc. depended on who was asking but they took on both cultures.
>>18431364And obviously also oppressed both in equal measure. Manchu was on always on top.
>>18431370Based Manchus expanded Han Chinese lebestraum, allowed Han Chinese into the banners, settled Han peasant from overpopulated central plains to the peripheries of empire, including their own homeland, provided women for Han Chinese men to breed, expanded Chinese borders to their largest territorial extentManchus were the greatest boon to the Han/Chinese, BASED Manchus
>>18431478Miss me with that nigger shit.
