Who was in the right? England or France?
>>18429321Burgundy
England obviously, Robert of Artois did nothing wrong. Nor did the King of France have any right to intrude in on the affairs of Scotland or Gascony
>>18429326>england>ever being right
>>18429370Uh oh, Jamal Sanchez McFaggot has a chip on his shoulder. Look out.
>>18429321England. The French are on the left.
>>18429321england because they were cooler at the time
>>18429321The capetians were clear, obviously premeditated aggressors with only a flimsy legal facade as a justification, the plantagenets by the standards of the day were absolutely in the right, not only in harbouring whoever they wanted in england and defending gascony but even in claiming the french throne, with the capetian claim being a clear fabrication based on concepts that were not valid in any sense
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>>18429321In terms of right to rule, the house of Valois had precedent on their side. Edward III's claim to the throne was flimsy and even he knew that. However, Philip VI revoking Aquitaine and interfering in Scotland had practically no justification, and the English were completely in their right to fight for it.
>>18431190>house of Valois had precedent on their side. Edward III's claim to the throne was flimsyIt's the opposite, Edward was rightful claimant, women not inheriting had precedent but that their line couldn't was original and clearly asserted for political reasons
>>18429321England has genuinely never been in the wrong
>>18430396Best reply
>>18431368That’s true, but that doesn’t mean it was necessarily wrong. Edward III’s argument was also advanced for political reasons well after Philip VI has began ruling. And the ultimate problem is that, even if we accept Edward III’s succession logic, he still wouldn’t have the strongest claim. Joan of Navarre’s children would be the rightful rulers of France.
>>18431190actual best reply (>>18431374 is a homo)100 years war started out between two rival houses who were both French, languedoil anyway. England was a vassal of Anjou and Normandy, same as any vassal of Paris was a vassal of that city full of garlicky dog turds.As to who was in the right, I'm going with Paris (actually). England should have seceded and told all the frogs to fuck off and fight it out amongst themselves.
>100 years war started out between two rival houses who were both French, languedoil anyway. England was a vassal of Anjou and Normandy
>>18431368>Edward was rightful claimantLiterally all that matters in this discussion, and everybody likes to ignore it. LOL
>England has genuinely never been in the wrong
>>18431762not an argument
>>18431380>was also advanced for political reasons well after Philip VI No, it was advanced on Charles IV's death, because Edward was the legitimate inheritor, but it was effectively vetoed by the french nobility at that time>Joan of NavarreIf you're rejecting things because they weren't present in 1328, she had no sons at that point
>not an argument
