>>18430704
The Ottomans were already larping as Europeans

>>18430714
Yeah but the young turks just copied european architecture and military dress and stuff while sneedaturk told every turk that wearing non-european hats was le bad and that women must all show skin from now on and that islam is le bad so please put all your religious fervor on larping as a mongol instead

>>18430704
Peter's reforms were bad for the church but Ataturk was just straight up anti-religion, more like Lenin and both of them ended their respective empires, the last empires in the world to claim some connection to the romans

>>18430704
The greatest Russian ever is a Georgian

>>18430704
Yes, westernization is actually a good thing. Why would that be a problem?

>>18430704
>Abolished everything actually Russian and started a western European larp
It's propaganda and simplification. He was just obsessed with technologies. He literally said
>We need Europe for several decades, and therefore we must turn our backs on it.

Catherine the Great does much more westernish reforms for Russia than Peter.

>>18431187
at the end of her life she was horrified by the french revolution and stopped the westernization

>>18431194
Anyway, she did more than Peter.

Ameritrash thread

>>18430704
The Meiji restoration succeeded where these two failed. The Japanese embraced westernisation but they never abandoned their roots and culture.

>>18431250
>but they never abandoned their roots and culture
where are the samurais? why don't they wear kimonos? why don't they worship shinto?

>>18431256
>why don't they wear kimonos?
They do
>why don't they worship shinto?
They still do. Over 70% of the Japanese population practices Shinto

>>18431256
Japanese corporations all have coats of arms as their logos. They wear kimonos on special occasions. They do worship Shinto they're just relaxed about religion.

>>18430704
He didn't abolish Russianess, arguably his reforms basically reconcentrated it until it exploded into the demented that is Russia after 1917. He wasn't much of a social reformer anyway.
And while Ataturk was extremely harsh as a modernizer what you think as 'actually turkish' is actually just persian. Ataturk's onslaught may have genuinely made Turkey more Turkish.
>>18431187
Ah yes, the German woman.

>>18431256
>where are the samurais?
They mostly became businessmen and politicians. Descendants of some of the most powerful samurai houses are some of the wealthiest people in Japan today.

>why don't they wear kimonos?
They do. They wear them all the time, but especially during festivals and holidays. Some people also just prefer to dress traditionally, and it's seen as a personality quirk there.

> why don't they worship shinto?
As much as the Japanese worship anything, they observe Shinto rites and holidays more than any other religious observance except maybe Buddhism, which has also been in the country for as long as Japan has existed.

>>18430714
>>18430704
Fuck the disgusting turkish and at the battles of Mus (1916), Syria (1918) as well as eskisehir (1921), to only name a few, the turkish scoundrels were knocked and beaten by the Hashemite Kingdom, Russia, France, the Jewish legion, UK and Greece.

Despite Italy (never really against the disgusting turkish), Germany, Bulgaria, Czech, Austria, Croatia, UK (turncoat) being the patreons of these turkish scoundrels.

>>18431390
Quiet down Arap.

>>18430704
The greatest Russian ever is Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.

No, I don't actually think this but it is best to act this way to piss off the NAFOid scum who inhabit this board.

>>18430704
Mindless larping doesn't net good long term results.

>>18431390
I love it how Arabs still talk like it's the 9th century lol. You go Ahmed.

>>18431179
the ultimate expression of westernness is becoming trans and getting knifed by a brown person

>>18431256
>why don't they wear kimonos?
You win one never been to japan award