If the Nazis where so evil that they supposedly threw babies in the air to use as target practice, why didn't they just have a line of soldiers waiting outside of the cattle cars to bayonet the people as they got off?If the entire point was to kill as many Jews as possible wouldn't it be faster and easier to just do right when they got there instead of the whole facade of giving them food and clothes?Everyone talks about German pragmatism but they're suddenly not smart enough to just xp farm the Jews?
>>18431376Yes it's almost as if it's all made up
>>18431376What's the fucking point of dragging people into camps if youre just gonna bayonet them to death? The whole purpose of death camps is to exterminate a lot of people in the most efficient manner possible. They had Einsatz gruppen for killing people on the spot but it was an ineffective solution that took too long so they opted for camps instead. Also there was a problem of soldiers literally going mad from so much killing. Death camps remove the personal effect of killing someone and mass industrialize murder.
>>18431376God damn he's fat as fuckHe's literally me
>>18431376Because early on they ran into trouble with soldiers being screwed up from the work. A lot of them were raised to a military code, and murdering civilians wasn't part of it. I think there was a famous report from the SS about this.As for the rest, they claim close with Treblinka.> disguised as a train station> tree lined walls to the 'showers'> within ~20 minutes of each train arriving, all were deadhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka_extermination_camp
>>18432096the schnapps and sausages diet
>>18431376This is the part where I ask you what the last book you read on the holocaust was, you screech and call me a jew and then go back to shadowboxing your strawman.
>>18431394>>18432116German soldiers on the Eastern Front were locking children into wooden houses before setting the buildings on fire. Conscience was certainly not a factor.Ffs, many nazis were prosecuted for killing Jewish prisoners.
>>18432342Who was prosecuted for killing Jewish prisoners?
>>18432346Amon Göth. Theft of Jewish Property (though admittingly, the goverment wanted it for themselves), failure to provide adequate food to the prisoners under his charge and violation of concentration camp regulations regarding the treatment and punishment of prisoners. Members of the Sonderkommando Dirlewanger including the commander himself who were accused of Murder and much more in the camp located inside Stary Dzików.Ilse anr Karl Koch were prosecuted for the premeditated murder of three inmates too alongside corruption.I'm sure I can search up many, many more nazis. But these were the most popular who I could think of first
>>18432354Yeah, as you say, because they stole from and killed workers in camps that were making stuff for the war effort. Not Jews in general.
>>18432360So were the Germans exterminating or exploiting them as slave labour? And if it's both because the Nazis are le evil moustache twirling villaind, why would the German goverment get uppity over a bodycount in the single digitw from several millions?
>>18432363that guys literally told you why, the SS were corruputed as fuck and were stuffing their own pockets with stolen jewish wealth that were supposed to go into the war effort
>>18432363I am begging, BEGGING, you cunts to read a single actual book on the subject.
>>18432363It's like how the first people to put forward a slave import ban for the US were northern slave owners whose property was breeding above replacement levels.
>>18432365Then why was misstreatment of jewish labour added to the charges, especially to such a significant degree? Surely just prosecuting them for corruption would have sufficed.
>>18432381Because killing the people you've specifically picked out as being useful for the war you're losing is bad.
>>18431376have you met a German engineer/product manager?They absolutely would come up with an exceptionally convoluted solutution that's "more elegant"
>they've never actually thought about killing an entire state's worth of people beforethink about how much stabbing that is. your little bitch wrists get tired after too many video games. would a mass produced knife even survive that? at the very least you'd have to stop to sharpen it regularly, right? and what about spacial requirements? eventually you'll have a pile to deal with. how do you serialize stabbers without their piles getting in the way of each other? how do you keep all your stabbers safe during the process in case the crowd decides to go sicko mode on your dilligent workers? what do the numbers in and out on this look like? how easy is it to rotate shifts but minimize down time for each stabbing lane? we got like hundreds or maybe thousands or maybe tens of thousands of people to deal with here.when you put it like that, yeah, i'm gonna start thinking about shoving people in a box and gassing them or setting them on fire.
>>18432381>why was misstreatment of jewish labour addedpretty sure that was very rarely the thing but it's still a thing of military discipline or violating protocols rather than killing Jews bad, i don't know what you learn from twitter tweets but hitler didn't persecuted ss mans for killing Jews
Anons guide to the Holocaust for retarded retards who didn't pay attention in school and have read nothing since:The Holocaust developed in distinct stages. Hitler did not wake up one morning and screamed "Kill all the Jews with gas and burn the bodies!!!"Stage 1: Nazis want German Jews to fuck off to litterally anywhere else. Jews have their rights stripped and restrictions put on what they can do and where they can go.Stage 2: Germany invades Poland and then most of continental Europe and now has more Jews than ever. Jews are then forced into ghettos in the cities where they cannot leave and food and medicine supplies are restricted.Stage 3: Germany invades the USSR and controls huge amounts of territory populated by Jewish peasants who live in towns and villages. The solution is to form death squads to travel from place to place and march the Jews into the woods, line them up and shoot them into mass graves.Stage 4: Shooting children and women all day has a toll on even the most hardened Nazi and discipline in the death squads is suffering, so a less direct method of killing is required. Germany is also now losing the war after defeats in Stalingrad and Africa.Stage 5: To solve both problems, Jews from the ghettos are transported to concentration camps. Once there, those too young, old or weak to work as slave labor are killed via gas and the bodies cremated. The rest are subjected to harsh conditions and continued lack of food and medicine designed to get as much labor as possible out of them until they drop dead from exhaustion.Step 6: Overcrowding in the camps combined with lack of food and medicine results in widespread starvation and disease spreading quickly and killing many of the camp prisoners.Step 7: Germany is fucked and in a last ditch effort tries to retreat further into Europe, taking some slave workers with them, many dying of exhaustion on forced marches or left behind locked in the camps to starve or die of disease or exposure.
>>18431376Donald Trump is German.
Can we stop pretending jews were murdered en mass.Stalin never once mentioned gas chambers, but he did talk about slavs being mistreated.Kews were nothing special
>>18432417>Stage 1: Nazis want German Jews to fuck off..but also to leave all of their money behind&to surrender their passports.So yeah, the nazi policy had been schizo from day 1.
>>18432422You take your understanding of the world from what Stalin said and didn't say?
>>18432429It's why I genuinely laugh out loud when someone brings up the Haavara Agreement as some kind of gotcha against the Holocaust. The Nazis worked with Zionists to make it easier for German Jews to leave Germany and go to Palestine? That's what both of them wanted at that point in time, so why wouldn't they work together? Especially in a way that Germany can control and pad their own wallets.
Ralph Fiennes packed on the pounds and jutted out his belly for this role but couldn't quite match the real thing
>>18432438all the "industrialized murder camps of evil" were inside USSR territory, Stalin wanted to gut germany and he would have atleast once mentioned the "roller coaster of death" and the "chambers of death" had they been a thing he could have leveraged against the germans.but he didnt because there were no giant furnaces that turned jews into ashes and bone smashing jews that would turn other jews into fertilizer.he did say that there were concentration camps were slavs were treated like shit but nothing special about the jews, oh and lets not forget the self igniting hungarian jew that you could use instead of coal to fuel the furnaces
>>18432477You're funny. Say more stupid shit.
>>18431376No you don't understandTreating Anne Frank and her sister against typhus was essential to the extermination plan!!!
>>18432495See >>18432417.
>>18432477>all the "industrialized murder camps of evil" were inside USSR territoryActually no, all 6 were in Poland.
>>18432342>DA HECKIN GERMANS DID A GENOCIDERINOSo true and genocide is wrong which is why Slavs never did it and therefore do not deserve it. The vast numbers of Iranics, Germanics, Caucasians, and Balts stretching from Pomerania to the Caspian prove this.
>>18431376They wanted to extract as much vlaue from their labour as possible.They were fighting a war.
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>>184325231939 huh? Then what happened?
>>18431394This makes no fucking sense at all. There is no mechanism by which rounding people up and sending them all across the country is ever more efficient than killing them on the spot. And dispassionately processing and then gassing people would be more traumatic than just shooting them wherever they're found because it removes the psychological defenses provided by being amped up on emotion and adrenaline.
>>18432543Fortunately you don't have to choose between shooting on the spot and shipping them into death camps because the Axis did both.
>>18432543>having hundreds of men dragging sobbing women and their screaming children to the edge of pit, blowing their heads off, kicking them into tbe pit, lining up the next pleading family, murdering them, tossing them into the pit etc etc etc etc all day for weeks, is less traumatic than bringing the Jews to one location, tell them go to this building for a shower, locking the door and having one guy pour in the poison, with slaves used to pull out and dispose of the corpses.This is what retarded retards actually pretend to believe
>>18432550Yes you do. Because the choices you're actually presenting are "be real humans who actually exist" vs "be the most insultingly retarded jewish fairy tale ever concocted". No one who was trying to commit a genocide would ever, under any circumstances, waste the time, effort, and resources to load up the people they wanted to kill on to trains to ship them off to camps to then kill them via gas. Even suggesting something that stupid is such a profound crime against reason itself that it should be a death sentence.
>>18432556Indeed, this is why football teams drive around all the towns and villages to play the match over and over against the same team, instead of bringing people to one large stadium and having the match there. Factories work in the same way, it's illogical to do it all in one place and anyone suggesting otherwise should be killed.
>>18432553>bringing the jews to one locationWhich somehow involves none of the pleading and screaming and trying to escape.>tell them go to this building for a showerWhich again, somehow involves no pleading and screaming and trying to escape. And also omits the process of having to look each and every one of them in the eye multiple times while carrying out the cold blooded, beauracratic organization of people you know you are able to kill.>locking the door and having one guy pour in the poisonWhere they all politely fall over without any fuss.>with slaves used to pull out and dispose of the corpses.Which they do unsupervised because they're just such accomodating people.And this is being done by people as their full time job instead of spread out across an entire army where one guy might help kill a single family his entire career.Meanwhile, at this exact moment over in Palestine, proto-israeli insurgents are exterminating entire villages with good old fashioned bombs and bullets. And they will go on to remember this experience fondly.The only thing I can conclude is that jews tried plagiarizing the Armenian death marches. But, being retarded and awful storytellers, they didn't understand what made that efficient.
>>18432562Behold. The legendary jewish IQ that gave us the holohoax.
>>18432575Why would they be pleading and trying to escape from a shower? Yes, all of that is easier than doing the same while also leveling a gun at their head, watching their brains fly out, watching their 3 year old screaming "Mama! Mama!" as mamas corpse rolls into the ditch of other corpses, then shooting the 3 year old as well, before lining up the next family to do the same, a hundred times that day.>muh PalestineYou don't give a cunt hair about them so don't even try to pretend.
>>18432581Is it easier to have the game in one big stadium or hold it multiple times in random village halls?
>>18432582>it really is a jewlmao. You know what the funniest thing is? Next time, people are going to try doing the whole camps and gas chambers thing as an ironic punishment. But it's going to prove so infeasible even as an intentionally over the top gesture that they'll end up giving it up and doing it normally.>>18432584Is it easier for everyone to get their clothes in the morning from their own closes/dresser or to drive to their nearest city and collect them from a single, giant pile?
>>18432604>anyone who disagrees with me is a Jew>doesn't answer the questionYou lost. And noone believes you give a fuck about the people youll be calling raghead rapefugee camel fuckers with the other side of your face in 3 minutes time.
>>18432611>anyone who disagrees with meThis was already proven false in this very thread before you even made this claim. You just can't help but lose today, huh?I know you're a jew because a human useful idiot would attempt to minimize or deny the jewish genocide of the Palestinians. Only jews do the "you don't care" shit. Because you're the only creatures that can't comprehend caring about any other living thing besides yourselves.And there is no entity in this universe whose opinion on the holohoax is worth less than a jew's. Every malformed imitation of an idea that escapes your cursed lips and hands is a crime against nature itself.
>>18432624>Jew Jew Jew Jew Jew Jew!!!Compelling. Hold on, let me try something: Muhammed was raped by black men. Zutt Zutt in the butt!
>>18432630>you don't like jews?>y-you're a muslim!First of all, you already confessed that you're a jew. You don't need to keep telling me like this. But also, I'm curious.You come to a site that is famous for hating jews since before third worlders like muslims were accessing the Anglophone sphere of the internet in appreciable numbers. You come into threads like this one explicitly about White, European people who didn't like jews. White, European people who were either Christian, irreligious, or perhaps some kind of Pagan or new age mystic. You come here, to threads like this, and try to convince someone that people who don't like jews must be muslims. I can only assume it's yourself you're trying to convince. But even that rings absurd.How did you come to this point? What series of follies produces this behavior? I'm not entirely convinced that jews possess minds in the traditional sense. But if you do, please tell me, what passes through it when you do this?
>>18432582>so what if I commit atrocities, it’s not against your peopleDumb partisan. Nazis did nothing wrong according to your own subjective morality.
>>18431376Maybe because they calculate that it would cost them money to buy bullets.
>>18432716Who are you quoting anon?
>>18432739Bayonets don't need ammo.
>>18432739Bullets and bayonets are cheaper than shuttling them from around Europe to bumfuck Poland
>>18432582>Contemporary historical accounts state that during the 1221 siege of Merv, each Mongol soldier was allotted 300 to 400 individuals to execute
>>18432968Most of them were already in or near Poland to begin with.
>>18432970Now divide the number of people killed by the einsatzgruppen by the number of members of the einsatzgruppen. What is the result?
>>18431376Because they literally did this to mentally ill patients. They had experience and then applied this method to the Jews. Why is this so hard to understand for retarded /pol/tards?
>>18433166271k/3k =99.3333. I see the problem here, maybe have 3 members each simultaneously shoot 1 jew to give them that remainder value
>>18433198Now, consider that 20th century Germans are not 13th century Mongols and apply how personally shooting 100 civilians each, would have an impact on them.
>>18432642what you described is /pol/ which was made so the rest of the site don't have to deal with miserable losers who larp as crusaders from their basements like you
>>18432381Have an analogy retard-kun>sheep goes to slaughterhouse>pick out certain sheep to eat your overgrown field of grass before they get sent to slaughterhouse >your sheep you specifically chose to spare for your work get killed anyway before work can be completed >get pissed off and press charges against your destroyed property
>>18433203Machine guns into a mass grave, or herding into a fiery building would easily boost those rates
