There is no physical evidence confirming the existence of Jesus—no verified remains, no personal belongings, and no DNA. The absence of such evidence leaves open the possibility that Jesus was not a historical individual, but rather a figure constructed through storytelling and religious development.Historically, Christianity appears to have emerged within Jewish communities in the 1st century. During this time, various Jewish groups held expectations about a coming messiah. It is possible that narratives about such a figure gradually formed, evolving into the character known as Jesus. Rather than originating from a single person, these stories may have developed collectively within these communities.As these ideas spread, figures like Paul the Apostle played a crucial role. Paul helped transform what may have begun as a localized belief system into a broader movement by preaching to non-Jewish populations across the Roman Empire. His writings emphasize theology and belief rather than historical detail, which some interpret as supporting the idea of a more symbolic or constructed figure.Christianity expanded throughout the Roman world, even during periods of persecution. Over time, it gained political support, especially under Constantine the Great, who legalized the religion. Later, under Theodosius I, Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire.As the religion integrated into Roman society, it absorbed elements of Greco-Roman culture, philosophy, and institutional structure. This gradual blending contributed to the development of what became Catholicism, combining Jewish religious roots with Roman organizational and cultural influence.
>>18431934This meme proves the bible is true
>>18431934Earth isnt flat dumbassits cubed shaped
>>18431939A cube shaped earth would have 6 flat sides, I think the earth looks like a lumpy ball
>>18431934What are your thoughts, OP, about the letters that Khorenatsi and Eusebius transcribe from the archive in Osroene that discuss Jesus and would pre-date the letters in the New Testament? You can read them from Eusebius at Eusebius, the first major Church historian, records the correspondence and its miraculous result: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/250101.htm and Khorenatsi at http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0859.htmThis seems like very weighty evidence for anyone's existence to me. You have contemporary letters, one of which was even dictated by the person himself, kept in the most secure place for official documents, the state archive.Give them a quick read there, they're all short. Would you say this shows that there was, at least, a man in the area named Jesus thought of as a healer?
>>18431934Pic related is a great book on the subject. There's actually more evidence for the fact Jesus was never real than the contrary.
>>18431972This is not enough evidence. We need physical evidences and not just written evidences.Written evidences can be easily invented.
>>18431972Forgeries
>>18431934>non white Jesusheretical
>>18431934If Jesus never existed, who the heck got crucified then?
>Billions died because they believed reality was about disimulating church farts
>>18432327Aramaic speaking Jewish gigamanlet
>>18432336jeets aren't aramaic
>>18432025What are the strongest physical evidences for Attila the Hun's existence?
>>18432322By any objective standard these records are authentic. Firstly, to set the scene, they were in the official archive in Edessa, Osroene's capital. These archives were one of the most secure environments for documents in the ancient world. This was somewhere where you have centralized, organized document storage and control for information critical to the functioning of the state.Khorenatsi talks about when these archives were first established at https://historians.armeniancathedral.org/book/t06Khor2_38.htm, writing that the Roman governors furnished Edessa and “in a grand manner and established their treasuries for the taxes collected from Armenia, Mesopotamia, and Assyria. They gathered there all the archives...They also transferred there the register of taxes and the temple archive”. So this archive was a big big deal. Like you might imagine for the repository of correspondence between heads of state!And that government was non-Christian, often viciously anti-Christian.In addition the records show a detailed knowledge of the time period. Take, for example, how the account states that Thaddeus cured “a man with gout, Abdu…much honoured in all the king's house”. The first-century Roman historian Tacitus verifies that there was in fact such a man. In his Annals, Book 6, chapter 31 (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0078%3Abook%3D6%3Achapter%3D31), while discussing an incident where “some Parthian nobles came to Rome, without the knowledge of their king” to speak with Tiberius about Armenian affairs he states that “The chief adviser of the Parthians in sending the secret embassy was Sinnaces, a man of distinguished family and corresponding wealth. Next in influence was Abdus, an eunuch, a class which, far from being despised among barbarians, actually possesses power”.So even when it comes to minor details like the names of incidental officials, it is accurate.
>>18431934penis>>18431972Those are forgeries
>>18432395>Those are forgeriesWhat would your thoughts be on >>18432393?There's much more evidence for their authenticity than that, but character limit. Even academics don't say that these are bald forgeries. The scholarly article at https://www.degruyterbrill.com/document/doi/10.31826/hug-2011-090104/html argues for a historical core to them for instance.
We have a letter from Paul saying that he met with James, the brother of the lord. why would he write this, in a letter that he didn't expect anyone else to read except for its intended audience?
>>18432025Did Socrates exist? Pythagoras? Leonidas?Spartacus/? We've no physical evidence for these men, only second-hand writings written after their lifetimes.
>>18431934Why would roman Christians worship a dude if he didn't even exist, the whole point is he was god walking the earth in their empire.
>>18431934>no verified remainsThis reveals how profoundly ignorant you are about Christianity. Your whole post can be safely discarded by this alone.
>em dash in the OP post>OP never replies to anyone to further defend the claim even though it can be defended much more effectivelyBot post. Idk why it was made, but everyone can go home now.
>>18432527Right? What a bizarre argument. The entire point is that "remains" doesn't apply because the man is still alive. You won't find my remains either if you go looking for them!
>>18432441Did they?
>>18432720If Jesus didn't exist, then by that standard, they may not have either. And at that point, we're getting into pseud territory and denying the existence of quite many figures of antiquity.
>>18431972>"I have believed in Jesus," said Abgar, "I have believed in His Father; therefore I wished to go at the head of my troops to destroy the Jews who have crucified Jesus, had I not been prevented by reason of the power of the Romans.">Abgar, king of Armenia, to my Lord Tiberius, emperor of the Romans, greeting:—>"I know that nothing is unknown to your Majesty, but, as your friend, I would make you better acquainted with the facts by writing. The Jews who dwell in the cantons of Palestine have crucified Jesus: Jesus without sin, Jesus after so many acts of kindness, so many wonders and miracles wrought for their good, even to the raising of the dead. [...] Your august Majesty knows henceforth what ought to be done in future with respect to the Jewish nation, which has committed this crime>Tiberius, emperor of the Romans, to Abgar, king of the Armenians, greeting:— >[...] As to the Jewish nation which has dared to crucify Jesus, who, as I hear, far from deserving the cross and death, was worthy of honour, worthy of the adoration of men — when I am free from the war with rebellious Spain, I will examine into the matter, and will treat the Jews as they deserve.What excuse do modern Christians have?
>>18432327>Christianity is when you're a white nationalistChristogenea shitter post
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>>18433052>christianity is when you ignore the biblejew shit post
