Sadly, it's true.
4ukeep that in mindyou're the one sabotaging your own path
It’s true that atheism is bullshit. Jesus is King
>>18433390No, it's just straight up factually true. It would be great if God existed, but he does not. It's all very unfortunate.
>>18433394>no,stop reading heresuit yourself. good luck
>>18433406You are coping and I can respect that. It does suck that God does not exist.
>>18433394Yes, I’m sure you find it very unfortunate to give yourself an excuse for unlimited sinning and to soothe your conscience that you will not face the judgement of God for your evil deeds. It’s unfortunate, and not at all a comforting self-deception. But it won’t provide comfort on judgement day, only the saving blood of the Lord Jesus will avail there.
>>18433413I don't really care for sinning. I'd rather I be instructed not to sin by a God who exists than be free to sin in the absence of God.I think you're just projecting your desire to sin onto me.
atheists are losing major ground on 4chan these last couple of years and it shows this dude must be somewhat new or something. atheist posts are on the stark stark decrease since like 2021.
Athests are subhuman conformist cattle.
>>18433438>people on 4chan fell for a meme>therefore, god existsThis is not a sound argument.
>>18433442I don't care. I will trust whatever pol tells me to believe in.
>>18433442they fell for the meme before they came to 4chan, then realized through constant discourse and confrontation with real believers.. that god exists. and historical research. iron sharpens iron, a man sharpens another man. we are a lot of men constantly talking with each other on here.
>>18433378OP is FBI
>>18433447And the only argument you could muster after all of your discussions with the "men" of 4chan is an appeal to popularity on a dying website?
>>18433453dying website. why do you say that.
>>18433453no, its just something i noticed. its not an argument for why there is god. god just is. theres no need for argument nor appeal to anything. nobody can force someone to believe in god, nor can someone force another to not believe in god if they choose to. but i can convince you if you have an open mind read the isha upanishad. or kena. two of the most beautiful works of human art in existence.
>>18433461>god exists because of jeet lita compelling argument!
>>18433467God exists because of the impossibility of the contrary
>>18433467just read it. trust me. it will impress you, if, if, you have an open mind.
>>18433470how so? im the jeet (jeet means victory) literature enjoyer.
>>18433378Be glad Atheism is true. Do you really want to be ruled over by a Jewish sky demon for eternity?
>>18433459
>>18433470Wrong. It's impossible for God to exist, that's why Atheism is true.
>>18433493holy shit. fuck. the real ones will stay the real gs.
>>18433493no wonder we see such a stark improvement over the last five years. the true followers of 4chan were becoming more percentage wise because the newfaggots and normies who couldnt fit in left.
>>18433493>dying imageboard adopts dying religionPottery.
>>18433493Where is everyone going?
>>18433498whoops appeal to popularity. tough luck .
>>18433478>trust meI won't. Post the argument in public so others can rip it apart.
>>18433506It's not an "appeal", just an observation.
>>18433510īśāvāsyamidaṃ sarvaṃ yatkiñca jagatyāṃ jagat |1. All this-whatsoever moves in this universe and those that move not is indwelt, pervaded, by the Lord.
>>18433519maan. i thought you are here because you find 4chan cool and awesome. you dare betray your own brothers who raised you from the dark t
>>18433510Their heart is the river of immortal waves. Their heart is imperishable and unconditioned. (...) The divine being they adore, is final beatitude.
>>18433481>>18433494Apart from the Christian Triune God it is impossible to know anything, for only the Christian worldview can consistently provide the preconditions which are necessary to understand anything.
>>18433524> indwelt, pervaded, by the Lord.Not an argument, just a claim. >>18433540>Their heart is imperishable and unconditionedWho is "they"? All observed hearts are perishable, so this appears to be referencing fiction, not reality.
>>18433540this will speak to you, poltard: Unrestrainedness is pure power.
>>18433546the yogis who renounced the world and life in society. a practice found in ancient greek female societies who dwelt in the woods together, as well. they used to kill male travelers every now and then, such as you haha. just kidding.
>>18433544How does Yahweh make you know shit? Does he have a special knowledge beam that he points at your head and goes "bang bang"?
>>18433552>the yogis who renounced the world and life in society.Well, they died, so it's just factually false that they are imperishable. That debunks your religion.
>>18433546a powerful claim. let me ask you something poltard, what is *your* religion? what kind of faith do you have? this should shed light.
>>18433556dude no because their spirits lived on into eternity they now reside in the eternal and could return anytime anywhere reincarnated or just disembodied as air. think how this body is just a vessel for the true man. im not a hindu, mostly shamanistically tendencies.
>>18433553The reason is because we live in His world. We are His creatures. Both within and without, everything about us belongs to a system which He designed and He upholds, which would not be without Him. The only reason we are able to know anything is because first we knew its God.
>>18433557I don't believe in religions.>>18433560> because their spirits lived on into eternityThere are no such things as spirits>they now reside in the eternal and could return anytime anywhere reincarnated or just disembodied as airCool story bro, but [citation needed].
>>18433564>There are no such things as spiritsProof?
>>18433561are you an orthodox, if not, where are the christian saints of our times please.
>>18433564citation is gods divine inspiration you can find it in your own "spirit" which doesnt exist for waste. use it. so do you believe in anything? or just materialism. why did you choose that rationalise it for me.
>>18433567I don’t understand the question.
>>18433566The body is run by electromagnetic forces between its constituent atoms, not spirits. This is basic physics.
>>18433564explain this. when i was a yoing boy, deeply religious. deeply serene and happy beyond measure. now im spiritual. deeply religious and happy internally serene. i know how atheism feels. i was one in teens. i slowly lost faith during later childhood and culminated in atheism with 14 or 15. i lost that deep serenity i had as a child. after i left school, i felt spiritual again, and this serenity came back. what is this? pure coincidence? it can only be explained through my lense, not yours.
>>18433572you are a christian. why are there no more saints in our times? speaking like 1969 (padre pios death year iirc) until today. padre pio seems to be the very last christian if youre orthodox western christian saint. where are they?
>>18433577You have done well, you proved the body does not physically operate through spirits pulling and pushing things. Now prove the claim you made, that spirits do not exist.
>>18433582not that guy false the body is practically controlled by higher spirits speaking from my shamanistic background i acquired from the internet and personal contemplation. depends how developed yoi are spiritually of course lower level souls will not feel or experience the pull of the divine.
>>18433580There are many counterfeits of the true religion which the devil has set up to deceive the unwary and lead them into hell, the context you’re assuming is one of them. A saint is anyone which is baptized into Christ. Where the true gospel is preached and the sacraments are rightly administered, there you will find saints.
>>18433578I don't think you were an atheist for the right rational reasons, because you are claiming that your hallucinations are evidence for god.Here is a video from the pope of atheism which answers your question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKGtcVoBhBQ>>18433582Spirits are supposed to be the non-physical things operating bodies.There are no non-physical things operating bodies, just electromagnetic forces.Thus there are no spirits.
>>18433588sacraments? so you are catholic? dude just reveal your sect i dont care. im not christian, nor anti christian that much. if youre orthodox and feel shy saying it ok it could have been noticeable i prefer western christianity but whatever man freedom of religion above all.
>>18433591>Spirits are supposed to be the non-physical things operating bodies.>There are no non-physical things operating bodies, just electromagnetic forces.>Thus there are no spirits.The first premise is false, spirits do not have being in the material plane and do nothing physically.
>>18433593I am Catholic but not the Roman kind. Christianity has no sects, and my answer to you was a rejection of sectarianism.
>>18433591this is horrivle, atheism just because i dont think god created the world and then he doesnt exist so. i still dont think god created the world. but i know he is real, if not god, then something like the fabric of existence behind physicality. are you happy? be honest. how happy are you from 1 to 10. did you ever feel otherworldly bliss? no, because that only comes from religion.
>>18433594this isnt true, ive felt spirits touching my back often or knocking on the window or appearing before my eyes. i suspect i have a house demon whos really ugly all demons are but he is as well. maybe i hallucinate but the image comes daily.
>>18433596this is becoming more interesting i assumed protestant or orthodox. ok, so, i guess a saint is a baptised person. can a baptised person go to hell to you?
>>18433594It's not a false premise. That's just the definition of spirits that I use and that people had before it was debunked.
>>18433602I suspect you have a demon too. Read the Gospel of John and seek Christ.
>>18433598>then something like the fabric of existence behind physicality. are you happy?No, the "fabric of existence" is physics and it is not something which cares about your well-being or how "blissful" you feel.
>>18433609id need a certified exorcist to actually get rid of the demon if i had one sometimes i talk in my inbetween sleep feels like someone else talks for me but no i refuse to read the gospel because read it many times before i sought christ he didnt respond i pray to god and believe in nature spirits thats it thats the ideology i have and if thats demonic to YOU then idc. but better than just saying its schizo shit. thanks for the well meant advice.
>>18433561That doesn't answer my question. If the world was made by a lego godzilla, saying "the world was made by lego godzilla lol" would not explain how lego godzilla makes me know shit.Maybe stick to eating crayons, philosophy's not your thing.
>>18433606>That's just the definition of spirits that I useWell pope Anon, you can use your own idiosyncratic definitions of words if you want but it will not be relevant to what people actually believe nor I am I beholden to whatever definitions for my beliefs you decide to make up.>that people had before it was debunkedNo sir, your novel definition of spirit actually presupposes a materialist context (which Christianity has always rejected) because you impute material and physical being to spirits. If spirits are a thing in the physical world, which can be detected by physical instruments, then spirits do not exist. John 4:24 says God is a spirit, and neither the man who said it nor the woman who heard it nor anyone else in that day believed God was “a non-physical thing that operates a body”. A spirit is an immaterial being.
>>18433614false but go on, did you answer please because this determines how successful you are truly at life. did you never so you never felt otherworldly bliss did you? i did many times and feel it soothing me daily when i pray to allah or worship him in meditation.
>>18433618im pope anon recognizable through the nametag. state your denomination so i can get a clearer picture you seem to take notice of the spirit idea. are there spirits in mountains? if not, how come i sense them and so on.
>>18433617The lego godzilla is not an infinite, eternal, unchanging, all-powerful, all-knowing self-existent being on whom all things depend.>Maybe stick to eating crayonsNot interested in your diet>>18433616No you wouldn’t, the only real exorcism today is through the word of God and holy baptism, because the Holy Spirit has the power to banish demons and men do not.
>>18433618im saying spirits are physical and spiritual. but mainly spiritual of course. but if you measured with some device the spiritual frequencies im sure there are people who already invented such a device tells me supernatural or so on then well whats the problem? we have seances the bible says you can do that (possible not permitted i mean) so spirits can influence physical reality. dont you even read the goddamn bible son?
>>18433621I am Reformed.
>>18433619>I feel nice when I talk to my imaginary friend>therefore my imaginary friend must be realReminder that there are people out there who genuinely think like this and do not just post such things on 4chan for the memes.
>>18433623>The lego godzilla is not an infinite, eternal, unchanging, all-powerful, all-knowing self-existent being on whom all things depend.Irrelevant. You didn't explain the mechanism through god makes you know shit, just like with the lego godzilla.
>>18433623i tried baptism but didnt feel different only when the words holy spirit were mentioned did i feel a light touching me in the water. mentally not physically i mean. it felt amazing but not as good as the prayers toward allah which seem to last longer than this feeling and more serenity inducing. sorry im not for this. you seem to be a heretical guy, denying clear christianity in favor of some stuff thats not in the bible nor in sacred christian tradition. im definitely not with this.
>>18433628*through which
>>18433625what is that i am not familiar, also are there spirits that inhabit physical beings as i call them for you id say things or places? you didnt answer, which is a pity.
>>18433626the memes are long gone my friend we as a community are finding out the way to god. i believed in nothing until recently but this belief in god spirit or whatever is firm and gives me deep serenity i never found before as an adult or child. what does atheism give you, nice talking points that sound based and dont have transformative bliss at their core. they are shallow. the man has a soul, the man has a spirit, and we are spiritual beings on a soul quest towards infinity.
>>18433618>nor I am I beholden to whatever definitions for my beliefs you decide to make up.I just gave you my definition. If you disagree with it, present your own.> your novel definition of spirit It's not novel, stop lying.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_(animating_force)>As recently as 1628 and 1633 respectively, both William Harvey and René Descartes still speculated that somewhere within the body, in a special locality, there was a "vital spirit" or "vital force", which animated the whole bodily frame, just as the engine in a factory moves the machinery in it
>>18433636Ok but like is any of that shit real or does thinking it's real just make you feel nice lol. Lots of copes that are actually false make people feel good.
>>18433639they dont feel good.. whenever you believe a lie, you will feel less happy. the more lies people believe the less happy people are. if it wasnt real, i would know, because if you develop your spiritual ears and so on, you develop your body to such an extent that it just feels new feelings youve not noticed before.. not physically but mentally lets put it that way. i can speak only for myself but i feel amazing. the best money in the world cant buy what i experience every day. i wouldnt trade with jeff bezos life for anything. its shit compared to even one third of my life. i said you feel new feelings. its mental, not some spirit woo woo shit. its perceptible through the mind as a fan of descartes or a reader youd know what a mind does and acts as, the unseen as you must admit, the mind is unseen. so, the mind acts as the receptor of bliss. bliss is different from this happiness shit they put in the movies and television, that is why i always loved buddha first time i heard about this guy in school. bliss.. is the noblest pursuit in my opinion. you seem interested deep down i think, so thats why you asked. and its natural and perfect that you do, i just feel that you could learn this easily just like anyone and the truth is happiness may take a while or bliss as i said but it can be achieved you can not just experience monotone nothing all the time. you can actually experience depth in your happiness the more you dig for it. ive been doing this now for ten years.
>>18433648>they dont feel good.. whenever you believe a lie, you will feel less happy.That's just straight up false tho. Lots of people believe false shit that makes them feel happy.
>>18433637>If you disagree with it, present your own.I did.>It's not novel, stop lying.You are conflating life force with spirits.>>18433628It is not irrelevant at all. It demonstrates the first issue, namely the impossibility of knowing anything in God’s world without knowing its God. The means by which we know God is His self-revelation to all men, on whose souls He has imprinted Himself. >>18433633Everything we believe is summarized in the Westminster Confession of Faith.https://thewestminsterstandard.org/the-westminster-confession/
>>18433651>I did.Where is it? Post it.
>>18433650shouldnt have made such deep statements right off the bat but whatever. let me ask you, do you believe in the subconscious? this subconscious, does it feel happy or sad? if yes, then how would you as a regular normie notice it. its sub- its not obvious to you.
>>18433651cmon man im not gonna read all that just summarize two main points that define reform or three.
>>18433655This is interesting because you’re admitting you haven’t even bothered to read my entire posts. Why should I waste my time by speaking to you?
>>18433438We had a big religious revival here a few years ago when MAGA/antivax boomers and autists who hyperfixated on catholicism moved in, mostly around 2017-2022 or so, but within the past couple years you guys have made yourself about as obnoxious and intrusive on most boards as furries or bronies in their respective eras. Pushback thus far isn't universal, but anons have been noticing how christfags derail every thread they insert themselves into. I predict that the next few years will see a major sitewide shift in attitudes and this board might end up being a containment board.
>>18433663i never believed in christianity in my life. in fact, i hate the trump maga shit more than ever. it has really grown on my nerves and i said either in this or another thread, i hate the pope.
>>18433662You're free to ignore my posts, but I see that unlike me, you have provided no clear definition of spirits that you posted anywhere. Just dishonest and evasive deflections, as I have come to expect from religious liars.
>>18433413It is unfortunate that there is no afterlife and all existence stops after death. That's the real tragedy, that people who did extraordinary things no longer exist and will never exist again. If only God and the afterlife was real, but alas it is not.
>>18433668>You shouldn’t, I am dishonest swineThanks for letting me know, have a nice day.
>>18433663second thing. christianity is deeply sick. the new old man of europe. once islam is gone, according to shia and sunni prophecies the islamic faith will not survive 1500 years in time, christianity might be next. i dont know what comes afterwards if its good or bad but it is happening before our eyes.
>>18433671Okay, I guess you were too ashamed to even quote yourself to show where you presented your definition.
>>18433651>It is not irrelevant at all. It demonstrates the first issue, namely the impossibility of knowing anything in God’s world without knowing its God. The means by which we know God is His self-revelation to all men, on whose souls He has imprinted Himself.Making the claim that knowing god is the necessary condition for knowing anything else does absolutely nothing to explain the actual mechanism through which god makes you know shit.
>>18433687Ok
>>18433701So how does god make you know shit? Was it the knowledge beam all along?
Religious people are like>God made the entire universe and all the galaxies just so he could watch me fail to stop myself from masturbating to bbc and tranny porn on my phone
>>18433708The reason we are able to know anything is because we know the true and living God which provides the context in which it makes sense. The reason we know God exists is because He has imprinted Himself upon our souls.
>>18433713every atheist accusation is a confession
>>18433718>The reason we are able to know anything is because we know the true and living God which provides the context in which it makes sense.How does that actually make you know shit tho? >The reason we know God exists is because He has imprinted Himself upon our souls.How would that make you know he exists?
>>18433723>How does that actually make you know shit tho?It makes knowledge possible.>How would that make you know he exists?How would God making me know He exists make me know He exists, is that the question?
>>18433726>It makes knowledge possible.But how?>How would God making me know He exists make me know He exists, is that the question?So "god makes me know he exists" is synonymous with "god has imprinted himself on our souls"? And when you said "The reason we know God exists is because He has imprinted Himself upon our souls.", it really just means "the reason we know god exists is because he made us know he exists"? That's the whole content of the utterance in question, and you are not only admitting that but straight up highlighting it? Wtf?
>>18433438people wisened up about the fruits of atheism
>>18433720Umm no, this is a very serious problem for religious people, actuallyhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/12093q1/confessing_masturbation/>From my understanding: tell them you masterbated or were impure with yourself and for the second thing I think you have to mention both the pornography and that it was homosexual.>Be specific, so that your conscience or the devil may never accuse you again or even tempt you to recommit the sin by knowing you can get away with it by a simple confession.>I like to be specific. Remember that you are confession truly to God, so if you wanted to develop and intimate relationship, you would reveal all.>The homosexual component constitutes a qualitatively different sin and so would need to be specified.
>>18433737a literal humiliation ritual
>>18433737>n-no u!>links to redditreally?
>>18433732>But how?For the reasons I stated>So "god makes me know he exists" is synonymous with "god has imprinted himself on our souls"? And when you said "The reason we know God exists is because He has imprinted Himself upon our souls.", it really just means "the reason we know god exists is because he made us know he exists"? That's the whole content of the utterance in question, and you are not only admitting that but straight up highlighting it? Wtf?No. Man is made in the image of God, his soul is a copy of the divine being. God has written of Himself on the soul of man so that he will know God as creator. The knowledge of God therefore is an indestructible quality of human nature.
>>18433737Reminder that an atheist can’t logically be against gay bbc tranny porn
>>18433743One could argue God's earthly life as Jesus was a humilliation ritual itself. Thats the whole point anon. He had no need to do this. It was voluntary.
>>18433746You can deny it all you wanthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ0b2XlEjRgSome comments>After decades of slavery to pornography and masturbation, numerous confessions and nothing resolved, I went to confession to a priest who is an assistant to our Diocese's exorcist, who is also our parish priest. He went through my childhood wounds and prayed with me. After that confession, the urge, the attraction to those sins just went away. Totally and completely. Years later, I still praise God for this healing and I am still awed by the ease with which I was healed with that particular Confession.>Im 20 and been struggling with this since 5th grade. These last 2 years I've been really fighting for virtue. It's been amazing to see how God's grace delivers me from my lust. I still struggle and fall, but from where I was to where I am now is truly a testament to the transformative nature of grace.>Gay man here trying to follow Christ. I am no longer engaging in homosexual activities. This is going to be a rough journeyThese people are upset because they think God has put a hidden camera in their rooms to watch them masturbate and punish them in hell for it.
>>18433748>For the reasons I statedYou didn't say how.>God has written of Himself on the soul of man so that he will know God as creator. How does that make you know god exists? What does it even mean for something to be written on a soul?
>>18433762>You didn't say how.I don’t know how I could make it clearer. >How does that make you know god exists? Man is designed to know God exists.
>>18433789>I don’t know how I could make it clearer.Give me the actual mechanism. >Man is designed to know God exists.What does that sort of design looks like? What would it look like if he wasn't designed like that? Let's say you've got a guy who doesn't have shit written over his soul or whatever. He looks at a rock. Does he not know that he's looking at a rock? What's he causal mechanism of that?
I am God. I am atheist. Be like God.
>>18433794>Give me the actual mechanism.Asked and answered. Now we’re at the part you’ve been seeking where you declare victory and call me an idiot without ever having made an argument because you pretended like you didn’t understand anything I said instead.>What would it look like if he wasn't designed like that?It would like something that is not a man.>Let's say you've got a guy who doesn't have shit written over his soul or whateverLogically impossible
>>18433799>Asked and answered.You didn't give me a mechanism. >It would like something that is not a man.In what way?>Logically impossibleYou don't have to call it a guy I guess, you can think of it as a weird ayylmao that has the exact same physiology but not shit scribbled over its soul.
>>18433760Some people masturbate to the point of it being a vice and starting to impede you to have a normal life. I dont understand whats wrong with seeking help with that? Porn is literally always inmoral though. No questions asked.
>>18433801The quality which distinguish man from beast is the image of God. A material creature which is not made in the image of God would be a mindless beast.
>>18433809So you know god exists because you have a particular brain physiology?Btw you still didn't give me a mechanism. Let's say a kid knows the names of all European capitals. How is the knowledge that god exists being used as necessary background context there?
>>18433816>So you know god exists because you have a particular brain physiology?No.>Let's say a kid knows the names of all European capitals. How is the knowledge that god exists being used as necessary background context there?Because in deriving this knowledge he has assumed that he exists, that the world exists, that his sense data is intelligible, that it is reliable, that there are laws of logic and mathematics, none of which can be justified under an atheist worldview.
>>18433823>No.So someone can have your particular brain physiology and not have the soul scribbles?>Because in deriving this knowledge he has assumed that he exists, that the world exists, that his sense data is intelligible, that it is reliable, that there are laws of logic and mathematicsYou think a 6yo kid assumed that? Have you ever talked to a kid?
>>18433816NTA, but God exists as a neccesary being to explain our existence on earth.>but evolutionToo chaotic and random for it too result in us. That would be chimps in an infinite room writing shakespeare by pure chance again. Instead evolution was guided by God for it to result in modern human beings.Also evolution doesnt explain our "evolved" traits that have zero relation to survival of the fittest. Such as writing poems. Giving our lives for others. Genuine self-sacrifical love, charity, and many others. Those traits are way to advanced and we are virtually the only "animal" on earth that does this.
>>18433827>NTA, butDidn't read.
>>18433833I accept your concession
>>18433825>So someone can have your particular brain physiology and not have the soul scribbles?A man without a soul would be a mindless beast if not a vegetable.>You think a 6yo kid assumed that? Have you ever talked to a kid?I don’t think it, I know it. Presuppositions are typically unconscious.
