This is going to be first philosophy literature I bought. Is Nietzsche a good start for beginners? Eventually will get into others.
>>18435413You have to read Plato, Kant, and the Bible, try to live by the values expressed, and then read the Greek classics in order to understand what Nietzsche is getting at.
Not really, his approach is extremely prosaic and he does not neatly fit into any clear category or historical period of philosophy.
>>18435419Ok, thank you.>>18435420Hm.For context I'm a history buff wanting to get into philosophy.
>>18435427Previously I have read Meditations by Marcus Aurelius since it was a recommended good read.
>>18435413Going ballsdeep into Nietzsche is really tough for beginners ngl
You can start with Nietzsche, but not with Zarathustra. Read Genealogy first, it's his most accessible book. Starting with Nietzsche will mean you won't get some of it (philosophy is a study which builds upon its predecessors) but if you reread, read slowly and carefully and consult external sources when you're stuck you'll be able to get most of it. Nietzsche can be an intro to philosophy (not a great one), specially if what you're interested in is ethics but only if you're patient enough to take a while to read this.
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No, it isn't.Nietzsche barely even qualifies as philosophy.He's really more of a convinced essayist commentating on philosophy.You should just start with Plato's dialogues to get an idea of his method and then read the Repiblic, like normal people do.
>>18435599>>18435413Do you see now, OP, where the madness of Nietzsche shall lead you? The most utter insanity of your soul projected into the world for no purpose but to hear it echo. Is this what you wish to embrace?
>>18435807He didn’t read Nitezsche, he’s probably just brown.
>>18435413>This is going to be first philosophy literature I bought. Is Nietzsche a good start for beginners?Not really, for the *first* first book - search for some modern academic university-press books that give you short summaries of all the historically-notable philosophers. (Can't help you with that, mine was not in English and I don't even recall how that one was titled anymore)But after that has been settled, yeah it's good for a beginner.Here's how to proceed.If you start with: Beyond Good and Evil + Genealogy of Morals + Twilight of the Idols + Antichrist (+ optionally Daybreak + Gay Science):1. Keep notes. Either copy down the memorable lines and the fragment number, and/or try to type in your own words with one sentence, what the fragment was about.2. Try to consise each one of this into one-two words3. Make one-two letter/syllable abbreviations out of them, and memorize them by heart.Now you have a mental map of all Nietzsche's aphoristic fragments you deem important.If you are trying to handle Thus Spoke Zarathustra, then simply rote learn it, line by line. (It *will* take time, though)"He that writeth in blood and proverbs doth not want to be read, but learnt by heart.In the mountains the shortest way is from peak to peak, but for that route thou must have long legs. Proverbs should be peaks, and those spoken to should be big and tall."
>>18436959Will Durant's Story of Philosophy
>>18435413In the absence of a teacher, your best bet is starting with some sort of simple history of philosophy book. What you should start with in terms of primary literature depends on your interests, but it should include Plato, Descartes, Hume and Kant.
>>18435413>first philosophy literatureRosenberg A. - Philosophy of Science. A Contemporary Introduction (2011)Barberousse A., Bonnay D. - The Philosophy of Science. A Companion (2018)Loux M.J., Crisp Th.M. - Metaphysics. A Contemporary Introduction (2017)Rosenberg A. - Philosophy of Social Science (2015)Risjord M. - Philosophy of Social Science. A Contemporary Introduction (2014)Rosenberg A., McShea D.W. - Philosophy of Biology. A Contemporary Introduction (2007)Feyerabend P. - Science in a Free Society (1978)Dennett D.- Consciousness Explained (1992)Dennett D. - Darwin's Dangerous Idea (1995)Metzinger Th. - Being No One. The Self-Model Theory of Subjectivity (2003)Smith D.L. - How Biology Shapes Philosophy. New Foundations for Naturalism (2017)Nelson L.H. - Biology and Feminism. A Philosophical Introduction (2017)Garavaso P. - The Bloomsbury Companion to Analytic Feminism (2018)Churchland P. - Neurophilosophy at Work (2007)Churchland P. - Plato's Camera. How the Physical Brain Captures a Landscape of Abstract Universals (2013)Roden D. - Posthuman Life. Philosophy at the Edge of the Human (2015)Greene J. - Moral Tribes. Emotion, Reason, and the Gap Between Us and Them (2013)Waller Bruce N. - Against Moral Responsibility (2011)Carroll N, - Art in Three Dimensions (2010)Scarinzi A. (eds.) - Aesthetics and the Embodied Mind. Beyond Art Theory and the Cartesian Mind-Body Dichotomy (2015)Maris C.W., Jacobs F.C.L.M. (eds.) - Law, Order and Freedom. A Historical Introduction to Legal Philosophy (2012)
>>18436959Thank you.>>18436961I might buy that.>>18436963Anything in particular by them?
>>18435413>I am short, but I expect my readers to be long and comprehensive>in the mountains the shortest way is from peak to peak, but that requires long legsBy all means read it; it's a peak of western philosophy, and manual of spiritual liberation for the right student. But Nietzsche basically expects you to have read everything in the western tradition from Homer and Hesiod through to Goethe, or a representative chunk of it: philosophy, poetry, and literature.
>>18435413Read it like a fiction for the first time.Then start with the greeks and continue till postmodern philosophy (you can read only topics you interest ex. Ethics)Read the rest of Nietzsche (or major works of his)Reread Zarathustra, but read it as a philosophy book this time.
>>18435413First philosophical text must always be a book on first order logic and logical fallacies. This is the absolute first prerequisite.
>>18435413Hell of a place to start. Do you enjoy the King James Bible? That's essentially what you're in for. Like an edgy, painful, hilarious version of that I mean.
>>18435413just keep this in mind and you'll be fine
>>18437647Lab waisan figure scaters are not the ubermensch.
>>18437647Lab waisan figure scaters are the ubermensch.
>>18437647Nietzsche's examples of higher humans were: Napoleon, Caesar, Alcibiades, Cesare Borgia, Buddha, Goethe.
>>18435413Everyone in this thread is ridiculous. As long as you have a decent understanding of the English language, you should be able to handle Zarathustra and most of his other works. If you want to read his works on drama, then you'll want to get a good grasp on the Greek and Roman tragic and comic playwrights, and Wagner. Otherwise, it might be wise to check out the fragments of Heraclitus, but that's about it.
>>18435413Start with Plato. You will never truly 'get' philosophy unless you've read Plato first.
>>18435419>>18437640stick to your rabbi worship threads
>>18438584Dumb fuck.
>>18435419You also need to live in the 19th century. As a post-modernist living in the 21th century, Nietzsche just comes off sprouting platitudes because our society has already moved beyond God and humanism.
>>18437679>GoetheHe never got over the fact that he was a famous YA author, so he became a spook and sold out his admirers.
Read this instead.
