>"Islam works because it simply takes traditional norms from all throughout history and says YES! we are going to stick to these traditions! Seethe about it, cope about it, but we aren't going to compromise on these traditional norms">"Islam says NO we aren't going to follow this kind of secular liberalism, we are going to take simple concepts that have existed all throughout history and we are going to stick to these norms. Why? because all kinds of traditions and cultures have had these norms. Are all these civilizations wrong?">"Who says child marriage is morally wrong? these kind of secular liberals. But Islam says actually, YES! YES! it is healthy for society and is something that has been practised all throughout history.">"Islam says NO we don't #believeallwomen, and in fact education is something that women have been prevented from in all civilizations and cultures. Islam simply upholds traditional and historical norms. You know who else prevented women's education? The Chinese! The Aztecs! so it's not only Muslims here. If Muslims are oppressive then call the Romans oppressive!">"If you want to target MUSLIMS as pedophiles then BE CONSISTENT! You must charge all ancient civilizations as pedophiles as well since they practiced child marriage">"Sharia law barbaric? BE CONSISTENT! call the Native Americans barbarians, call the Egyptians barbarians, the Persians, the Vikings! All these historical civilizations practiced similar punishments that Muslims are interrogated over today. Go ahead, call them barbaric!">"If Muslims are pedophiles for marrying young, then go right ahead, call all these civilizations pedophiles, how about the Sumerians!!? The Japanese. Are they pedophiles?">"All throughout history men have been heads of family, but all of a sudden this is oppressive to women? Traditional Christians, Jews, Hindus, Zoroastrians, Amish, are they also chauvinist? are they oppressive? BE CONSISTENT!"
>>18435994Isn't this the guy who says he knows who killed his sister but doesn't do anything about it
>>18435994This ignores the fact that there are movements called "liberal-Islam", "progressive-Islam" or "quranists".Being a traditionalist is an active struggle
>>18436314Being a quranist doesnt work because a lot of basic islamic tenets such as prayer, eid holidays, or morality originate from authentic hadiths. That doesnt mean hadiths havent been disputed plenty of times (ibn hazm is famed for this in regards to music). But quranism is heretical much like liberal/maga variants of christianity.
>>18435994>Islam works because it simply takes traditional norms from all throughout history and says YES! we are going to stick to these traditions!He skipped over the part where they can't agree on which are the "right" traditions so they keep constantly bombing and shooting each other.
>>18435994>Born into a nominal and secular Shia family, Haqiqatjou converted to Sunni IslamNot very trad of him to break away from Iranian Shia Islam.
what a freak in general even if he makes sense in reality hes a sperg this stuff is just talk. he didnt marry young himself he disnt marry a twelve year old like yemenites do and never will because hes an american raised american born freak.
>>18435994On an unrelated note why is this style of unkempt, pubic-hair looking facial hour so popular among these people? Is shaving or grooming considered a sin?
>>18436916god punished him with no beard growth for being an incel larper.
This guy does nothing but sit on social media all day bragging about how based being chudpilled is? He's almost 40 years old and wife is a stay at home wife? who is paying his bills?
You'd think that someone who endorses "traditional" masculinity like he does wouldn't be as whiny as he is. There's a certain performative contradiction to him where his own behavior undermines his arguments about the social benefits of Islam.
>>18435994>chooses to not live in an Islamic country Curious!
>>18437403The main issue is that he doesn't trim his beard. Gulf Arabs and salafism are by far the most prominent because they have an actual sense of aesthetics.
>>18436879Child marriage is permitted in their faith, but you are not commanded to do so. All but one of the females Muhammed married were adults.
>>18436369Taqiyyajou is a closeted iranjeet nationalist who whitewashes Iranian crimes and collaboration with America and Israel
>>18437512>collaboration with America and IsraelIdk if you've been following the news the last few weeks, but...
>>18437513Yeah, alliances with the great Satan are only temporary, now that Iran served its purpose they are being disposed
Daniel is an agnostic larping as a believing Muslim. He adopted political Islamism as a rebellion against his parents and family because he resents and blames them for what happened to his sister. Ever notice how he always talks of the social/conservative benefits of Islam in the face of degeneracy and left wing wokeness but he dismisses the actual tenets of Islamic theology as "wahhabi propaganda"? In other words, Daniel takes an issue like hijab or women's education and makes opposing it or supporting it the primary criteria for whether someone is a chad Muslim or a cuck Muslim and he relegates Islamic monotheism vs polytheism to a secondary or even third tier issue.But literally anyone can do this. That's why you see some random anon on /pol/ saying "omg look at the Taliban! Islam is so based, we need White Sharia now!" you don't need to be a Muslim to say this stuff. That's what Daniel is, basically someone who sees conservative practice of strict Islam as based and ideal but he doesn't really ever intend to commit to it or implement it himself
>>18437512Saudi Arabia and the UAE begged the US to continue fighting Iran
>>18437526Good
>>18437522Is that how you're making sense of your conspiracy theories in your head? Commendable effort
>>18437542The US allowed Iran to fund sectarianism and shia terrorism across to destabilize the Middle East
>>18437554So in your theory, the US and Israel WANTED Iran to fund Hezbollah and other Shia terrorist groups that attack them?
>>18437556This is the first time in their time in their history they attacked israel tho
>>18437562This is the first time in history that Hezbollah has attacked Israel? Are you completely sure about that?
>>18437526It's hilarious how out of touch non-Muslims are on this issue. The position you allege Saudi Arabia and the UAE hold is the position held by most in the Arab world (including Palestinians btw). Iran is seen as far more of an insidious enemy since their vitriol is hidden behind a facade of "Islam" whereas everyone knows that US/Israel are open enemies of Muslims. You didn't see Palestinians crying in the streets for Khameini and Iran did you? Any credit Iran had with the Sunnis was used up when they killed millions in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and Yemen.
>>18437563Sunnis are retarded. The problem with Shias is that they spent the past 47 years sucking Sunni cock.
>>18437569>killed millions in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and Yemen.Is there any factual basis for this or is this another holobunga? And Gaza's weapons come from Iran, I'm pretty sure they don't hate the only Muslims on their side lmao
>>18437563Yes, 2006 and the lebanese civil war were initiated by Israel. Technically this time as well they wanted to just launch some fireworks to save face but israel raped them instead
>>18437572They were sending tens of thousands of terrorists all the way from Pakistan to Syria to fight for Assad
>>18437574So Israel WANTED Iran to create a Lebanese Shia guerilla group that would attack them and their military outposts in Lebanon? Why, did they just want to make their occupation more difficult for some reason?
>>18437580That's your answer? One quick google showed me there were ~600k deaths (both sides) in Syria and obviously Iran isn't responsible for every single death, so this is sounding like a holobunga claim after all
>>18437582They were never a serious threat to Israel as this war showed, and also they were a convenient excuse for israel to get more gibs
>>18437592Its much more complicated than that, but the long story short is their support was vital for Assad, and in Iraq their support was vital to suppress the forces that were a threat to America. They wouldn’t have done this without American approval and help
>>18437593Ok, not a threat, but what about the 1982-2000 occupation of Lebanon? It was part of Israel's master plan to lose their own expansion project by getting Iran to fudn guerillas against them? How did they benefit from that?
>>18437598I understand its very complicated but what happened to your "millions killed" claim? Even if Iran was responsible for every single casualty in the Syrian civil war, including its own side, it wouldn't reach one million. And the US approved of Shia insurgents in Iraq that they were actively fighting against? Come on man
>>18437601They realized it was more profitable to withdraw and pretend hezbollah is an existential threat to claim more gibs from amerigolem taxpayers>>18437610>Shia insurgents in Iraq that they were actively fighting againstlmao, they were funded, armed and trained by americans
>>18437615>lmao, they were funded, armed and trained by americansFunded, armed, and trained to place IEDs against Americans? Proof? One of the justifications of the current war is revenge for how many Americans the Shia terrorists killed
>>18437615>They realized it was more profitable to withdraw and pretend hezbollah is an existential threat to claim more gibs from amerigolem taxpayersThey were already getting unlimited American tax money though. So your theory is basically that they secretly wanted Iran to end their expansion plans for nothing?
>>18437610Iran has killed millions since 1979 inside Iran itself in Ahwaz (including many Shia Arabs), in Balochistan, all over Iran in Sunni regions, in Yemen, in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq. Iran has the blood of millions on its hands. The only reason white supremacists refuse to acknowledge this is because they despise Israel/Jews but also hate Sunnis (especially Arabs) so they will always back Iran regardless because they hold the same genocidal bloodlust for Arabs as the Majoos do. So we understand why you back Iran and support its expansionist aims in the region, but don't complain when we come and correct you and give you the facts as to why Iran is hated by Muslims.
>>18437617>One of the justifications of the current war is revenge for how many Americans the Shia terrorists killedSo, 0?>>18437620People would start to question why israel needs an infinite amount of gibs if they didn’t pretend to have an existential enemy, and iran plays that role perfectly since it hasn’t fired a single shot at israel while murdering and displacing millions of muslims across the region with amerigoy help and approval
>>18437615>>18437620They actually received over $1 billion less from the US after they year after they withdrew from Lebanon, so this conspiracy theory doesn't even make sense from that angle kek
>>18437628>in Yemen, in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq.Yeah I'm sorry for not swallowing the same crap they teach in your Birmingham or Karachi mosque or whatever. You're going to have to rely on some facts here. The total Lebanese civil war deaths (all sides) were ~150k, but you keep saying "Iran killed millions". Same for Syria, Yemen. Your numbers seem off, where are the millions Iran has killed?
>>18437631Saaar conspiracy theory iran will defeat the great satan in 2 more weeks saaar
>>18437629>So, 0?Oh, I didn't realize you're that ignorant of history. Try using this tool called google, then jump back into this discussion
>>18435994>>"Islam says NO we don't #believeallwomen, and in fact education is something that women have been prevented from in all civilizations and cultures. Islam simply upholds traditional and historical norms. You know who else prevented women's education? The Chinese! The Aztecs! so it's not only Muslims here. If Muslims are oppressive then call the Romans oppressive!"Yeah, Chinese and Aztecs. People known for their liberal freedom values,>>"If you want to target MUSLIMS as pedophiles then BE CONSISTENT! You must charge all ancient civilizations as pedophiles as well since they practiced child marriage">>"Sharia law barbaric? BE CONSISTENT! call the Native Americans barbarians, call the Egyptians barbarians, the Persians, the Vikings! All these historical civilizations practiced similar punishments that Muslims are interrogated over today. Go ahead, call them barbaric!">>"If Muslims are pedophiles for marrying young, then go right ahead, call all these civilizations pedophiles, how about the Sumerians!!? The Japanese. Are they pedophiles?"The problem in fact that Europeans and, in lesser extent, east asians have been changed. Muslims aren't.
>>18437629>People would start to question why israel needs an infinite amount of gibs if they didn’t pretend to have an existential enemy, and iran plays that role perfectly since it hasn’t fired a single shot at israel while murdering and displacing millions of muslims across the region with amerigoy help and approvalSo Iran supported Hezbollah and Hamas to make sure Israel has enemies, and Israel wanted that too? They decided to lose their expansion project in Lebanon for that? October 7th was also an Israeli plan to get more funding? Look, I understand you'll believe this no matter what and you need to do that, but it's just not a plausible theory for anyone looking at it objectively
>>18437649>So Iran supported Hezbollah and Hamas to make sure Israel has enemies, and Israel wanted that too? Yes? Learn what controlled opposition is and get back to me.
>>18437652Yeah, Hamas and Hezbollah aren't what controlled opposition look like lmao
>>18437655Holy cope
>>18437658>everyone le Iran supports is bad and actually secretly Israeli because they just are ok
>>18437615>They realized it was more profitable to withdraw and pretend hezbollah is an existential threat to claim more gibs from amerigolem taxpayersSo you think they invaded Lebanon and decided to sabotage their own invasion to get bogged down for 20 years? That would be like saying the US funded the Viet Cong to kill Americans for 20 years too lmao. Everything I see from Sunnis online is just insane rambling about Iran and Shias. Is there some religious difference between them that make only Shias fight and Sunnis hang back?
>>18437675If they were an existential threat to israel they wouldn’t have been curbstomped so easily or be allowed to spread like a cancer into Syria
>>18437683Hezbollah literally got their land back after 20 years of fighting in 2000, this is like saying Viet Cong were curbstomped
>>18437639kek wasn't it the US claiming the war would be over in 2 weeks?
>>18437694>Viet Cong were curbstompedThey did. It was the North Vietnamese army that ended up beating the US.
>>18437694I’m talking about right now, in 2000 it was a planned withdrawal to prop up hezbollah as an existential threat
>>18435994I thought Islam works because it's true. Are there any triple digit IQ theists that aren't LARPing anymore?
>>18437700So Israel planned to sabotage its own invasion and get stuck in guerilla war for 20 years? What a neat little world you've constructed for yourself
>>18437652Is al-Sharaa controlled opposition?
>>18437711No saar that logic only applies to Iran and anyone that actually fights Israel
>>18437709Again, it was more strategic to just withdraw and prop up hezbollah and Iran as an existential threat for gibs. Why is that so hard to understand? >>18437711Yeah, the first to say that was dawla circa 2013
>>18437722>Again, it was more strategic to just withdraw and prop up hezbollah and Iran as an existential threat for gibs.It's a very simple question, why swould they need to sabotage their own invasion for that? They had just expanded their borders hundreds of miles and already had the Palestinians set up as a villain. If it was about money, it makes no sense since they burned billions in south Lebanon before getting kicked out. I know you really need them to be the bad guys, but your theory doesn't add up.
>>18437729>It's a very simple question, why swould they need to sabotage their own invasion for that?Because they realized it was a waste of time and this was much more profitable, and the real enemy was the PLO, hezbollah was kind of an annoying side character they didn’t want to engage much because most shias supported israel at the time and they didn’t want to piss them off
>>18437743You're misunderstanding the point. Your theory is that Israel had Iran create Hezbollah and other Shia groups in the first place. I know it wasn't worth fighting and losing men anymore in 2000. But why would Israel want Iran to found Hezbollah to start fucking up their lebanon expansion in the first place in 1982? How does it benefit them to burn billions for that? This is where your neat little world stops making sense, but you can't confront that fact because Shias are le evil
>>18437751My point was that israel approved and facilitated these groups because they benefited its regional policy, maybe they didn’t directly create them but they did help expand Iran’s axis so this day could come when they could use as an excuse to destabilize the region and expand geographically
>>18437765Circled back to point A. How exactly did it benefit Israel's regional policy to approve Hezbollah to sabotage its own Lebanese expansion, which was successful up til that point? In the end, they spent billions fighting them and lost the land too, how did that benefit the regional policy? Explain the 4d chess there
>>18437768Because it would help strengthen the iran axis which is controlled opposition
>>18437751Jake Shields is a kaffir white supremacist, what makes you think Muslims give a flying fuck about what he has to say? Shields want to slaughter and genocide Sunni Arabs just like Iran does so of course he supports Iran. That's why /pol/, Alexander Dugin, Tucker Carlson and other white supremacists all support Iran as well. It's a combination of Muh "Aryan Iran" supposedly being against Israel and Jews (even though they are full of Jews and have synagogues operating freely in Tehran) as well as their hatred of Sunni Arabs. Muslims take from scholars and authorities not random retard kaffirs on social media.
>>18437774The Iran backed controlled opposition made them withdraw from their expanded territories and lose hundreds of men and billions of dollars - doesn't seem like a very "controlled" opposition. That's why this is the one point you can't find any response to
>>18437776Yeah Jake Shields hates Sunni Arabs so much, thats why he's talking about Christians fighting for Palestine. Do you even hear yourself lmao
>>18437751>>18437776The pope has unironically done more for palestine than the sunni ummah
>>18437777If you look at the bigger picture Iran helped the US invade Iraq and Afghanistan and they sent terrorist militias to Syria to support Assad and fight the mujahideen. There has never been a single US soldier that has ever been harmed by iranian attacks. Iranian militias were fighting IS with american weapons, training and air support>withdraw from their expanded territories and lose hundreds of men and billions of dollarsAlready addressed this.
>>18437783Sunni ummah killed thousands of amerigolem occupiers in iraq and afghanistan and 100s of 1000s of their puppet shia terrorist organizations
>>18437784IS lost and their surviving wives and daughters are being raped by their Shia guards :)
>>18437784>There has never been a single US soldier that has ever been harmed by iranian attacks.Try using something called google, those kinds of claims might work in Birmingham mosques but not on anyone with a high school education>Already addressed thisYeah I know. Your theory is that their regional expansion plan was to sabotage their own expansion. 4D chess
>>18437786What do iraq and afghanistan have to do with israel's slaughter of the palis and the general apathy in the sunni world towards palestine?
>>18437791It has nothing to do with it, it's a form of cowards logic, riding on the coattails of Afghans as if they approve of the Sunni world's alliance with Israel
>>18437787This your home?
>>18437793Wouldn't the cowards be the sunni states doing absolutely nothing as israel slaughters their co-religionists in gaza?
>>18437791It shows the hypocrisy of iran fanboys and how they use palestine for updoots and to trick people only to support their degeneracy>>18437793They wouldn't approve Iran helping the US fight the taliban either
>>18437776Shields hates the Sunni so much he wants them to attack Israel... and that's bad because... what? Is Israel's existence vital for Sunni Arab existence?
>ITT: Salafi schizo from Birmingham argues with LARPing Western Reactionaries about who the REAL Zionist puppets are I wish I saved that XKCD edit that was about this
>>18437798That's who I'm referring to, they're the cowards riding on the Afghan's coattails not realizing Afghan's despise their treachery
>>18437806It really says a lot about iran that its only supporters are western commies and contrarians while most muslims despise them
>>18437813I think it says more about Muslims in general that this minority sect in Iran is the only one that had the balls to support Gaza. The majority sit around justifying why supporting Israel is actually based
>>18437813I'm not siding with you either. You've been shitting up this board for at least five years. I just find it funny that Western Reactionaries went from VGHing over Ba'athism to now LARPing as Shia Islamists
>>18437807Arabs who fought in Afghanistan were also against the gulf monarchies>>18437815Arab countries are occupied, hope you realize that doesn’t make Iran the good guys or their support for palestine genuine
>>18437822>Arab countries are occupied, hope you realize that doesn’t make Iran the good guys or their support for palestine genuineSo you deserve no fault for your collective cowardice and Iran deserves no credit for fighting? Yeah, that's coward's logic
>>18437828Iran is fighting for its own interests
>>18437837Iran fucked itself backwards and was on the verge of collapse after you idiots overthrew Assad helping the Arab world out. Thank God Trump forced Iran into taking over Hormuz and knocking the energy supply from your shithole countries and punishing you for being such faggots.
Salafi son or AoR Daughter?
>>18437837>Iran is fighting for its own interestsIt's not in Iran's interests whatsoever to keep fighting Israel for Palestine for no reason whatsoever. Acting in its interests would mean following the Sunni route and allying with Israel. But go ahead, keep trying to justify Sunni cowardice
>>18437848>It's not in Iran's interests whatsoever to keep fighting Israel for Palestine for no reason whatsoever.Good thing they aren't doing that then.>Acting in its interests would mean following the Sunni route and allying with Israel.They did that when they helped the US invade Iraq and Afghanistan. Also those states don't represent Sunnism
>>18437848Sunni retard is partially right. It's in Iran's interest to get rid of Israel because Israel wants to destroy their civilization like all the other regions and ruin their autonomy. Iran just tried giving an olive branch to Sunnis instead of doing the smart thing years ago which is full isolationism and to cut off the Arab neighbors from their energy supplies.
>>18437858Yeah yeah they just chose to be under sanctions for 47 years and sending weapons to Gaza out of their own interests. Keep coping while you guys betray your own in Gaza. Shameful honestly
>>18437865Gaza doesn't have any weapons retard, its kinda the reason why its being wiped from the face of the earth. I don't know why you like to bring it up when its a perfect example why one shouldn't be trust Iran
>>18437859Iran and Israel are too far apart for them to have conflicting interests. Neither can invade the other, just shoot at eachother from far away. If Iran wanted, they could have gotten a UAE type deal with Israel too. But they keep sending weapons to Hamas so instead of billions in investment with a Sunni-type alliance, they're stuck under sanctions instead. Though I agree there's no point, Sunnis are beyond saving. After 3 years of destruction in Gaza they still just cry about Iran making them look bad
>>18437872What do you think Hamas fought with on October 7th? Fists?
>>18437877Its small arms smuggled from Egypt or shitty rockets they produce domestically, little of it comes from iran
>>18437882So you think they got their arms from Egypt, which is strongly anti-Hamas and an Israeli security partner? Not only do Sunnis not support Palestine, they take credit for the support of others, which is more shameful
>>18437873Gulf Arab states, Turkey, and now Syria are dysfunctional states economically that cannot function without the US, with only Turkey having any sort of military power. Iran would've, at best, been like Japan which experienced short-term growth before ultimately being on the verge of collapse. Iran relying on being a 3000+ year old civilization who doesn't need the rest of the world for energy is the best way for Iran to survive. Iranians are way more nationalistic than Arabs and aren't really big into the submission to foreign power thing.
>>18437895>now Syria>Implying Syria wasn't trudging along on Russian gibs and captagon
>>18437888So even if we suppose they got their weapons from iran which there isn't any evidence to prove, it doesn't really matter. It's not like iran came to their rescue when they were bombed
>>18437902Hes actually so retarded that he thinks Assad era Syria was a better place than Turkey or the Gulf, lmao
>>18437902Since the war on Syria in 2012. Before that it was the only functional state the Arabs had that was economically dependent. That's why they used Sunni retards to destroy the region.
>>18437904This is the next stage of coward's logic. Saying Iran should have done more (you did nothing). Idk how that wasn't embarrassing to type out for you
>>18437908It was the main cultural export of the Arab world and only autonomous state they had. Now enjoy Qater and UAE funding shitty video games being the only cultural relevance you have.
>>18437916>main cultural export of the ArabTheir main export was captagon
>>18437912Hamas is allied with Iran, why the fuck would anyone but iran give a shit about them? They were warned about the consequences of the war by neighboring arab states and refused to listen because they thought iran was going to save them
>>18437895None of Iran's wealth, history etc is relevant after 50 years of embargo. If it wanted to act in its interests, it could have made a Sunni-type deal with Israel and got the embargo lifted and tens of billions in investment. There's no part of Iran's foreign policy that benefits Iranians, they've been on the verge of broke but still burning their money on Gaza for no benefit except getting bombed by the US and Israel.
>>18437916>It was the main cultural export of the Arab worldYou're a retarded western contrarian who didn't even know where syria was prior to the war
>>18437921Yeah cowards always have a lot of warning about the consequences of war. They know how to warn better than anybody else
>Axis or Resistancetards still haven't denied being Westerns
>>18437926Why does iran feel entitled to help from its enemies?
>>18436879What a weird way to say you desire twelve year olds
>>18437931They don't? Though Gazans hoped some help might come from Sunnis
>>18437939Last time i checked Hamas was allied with Iran, not with arab states
>>18437904>So even if we suppose they got their weapons from iran which there isn't any evidence to proveUh what about the literal leader of Hamas giving credit to Iran for military and financial support?
>>18437945Yeah that's correct. It was their mistake to think Sunnis would ever pick Palestine over Israel. That's the one correct point you've made so far
>>18437923Iran has the best nuclear scientists in the world alongside the best nuclear enrichment programs. It doesn't need to give a fuck about the surrounding world and the only issue is that it gave too much to supply Sunni states, that much I can agree with you. Thinking Iran should just be a bitch like the gulf states and surrender their autonomy just to become like Japan in the best case scenario is cuckold shit. Especially since we know the secret to Iran winning against the US was simply pulling fucking the world's energy supply.
>ITT
>>18437961I agree, I'm not saying Iran should be like Japan. I strongly admire that they have a principle and they are willing to stand for it. I'm just saying that in terms of purely economic interests, it had no material reason to sacrifice so much for Palestinians, who aren't Shia and they aren't Persian. Iran could have been rich, but chose their morals instead. The opposite of the Sunni world. I really respect that
Its interesting how every conversation about Iran being controlled opposition turns into WHAT ABOUT MUH ARABSWhataboutism is not an argumentI don't support the GCCI don't support any Arab regime The first to deem Arab regimes apostates who should be toppled was the Muslim brotherhood and Al-QaedaNow that we got that out of way can we talk about Iran and the so-called Axis of Resistance being an israeli creation
>>18437961>>18437968I have to ask if you two are Muslim or Persian because if not this just pathetic glazing.
Also speaking of Hamas
>>18437980I just hate Sunnis and respect any civilization with balls. Abrahamism is the destruction of civilization but Iranian civilization predates those messianic religions and subconsciously knows how to survive.
>>18437991Meshal represents the small anti-Iran faction within Hamas and has effectively been ostracized from the top leadership and decisionmaking roles for that stance. Post al-Hayya's/Sinwar's views if you can be consistent
>>18437999>westoid>edgy contrarian/reactionary>hates arabs and muslims but pretends to care about palestineResistard bingo
>>18438017>pretends to care about palestineso he has something in common with sunnis
>>18437968>it had no material reason to sacrifice so much for Palestinians, who aren't Shia and they aren't PersianBecause doing so weakens Israel and allows them to expand their sphere of influence. It's the reason why they sponsor all these proxy groups in the first place. Iran/Persia has always historically been a strong regional power that has feuded with its neighbors, and modern-day Iran is no exception. Iran views America, Israel, and the Arab states as threats to their sphere of influence, and as such, they sponsor various proxy groups as way to target these countries. In Iraq, Yemen, and Lebanon, Iranian-backed militia groups hold substantial power within these countries, which gives Iran a substantial amount of influence and control.
>>18438017I don't care that much about Palestine as a state. I just hate Israel. Whatever happens to Palestine doesn't change that Israel is a cancer on this world that must be removed.
>>18438017>YOU'RE BROWNWhat color do you think the sunnis are?
>>18438026It gets very little benefit from controlling some wartorn parts of Yemen and south Lebanon. It's somewhat beneficial in wartime but Iran would economically control and influence the entire region without being bombed if it wasn't under embargo by the US
>>18437991Respond to him, >>18438008
>>18438040>It gets very little benefit from controlling some wartorn parts of Yemen>He says when the Houthis were able to stall international shipping
>>18437999Nigger you're a seething Atheist that's been mind broken into becoming a self hating Westerner by /pol/ and Xitter brownoids. You are not Muslim, you are not Arab, you are not Persian. You're a LARPer that has no dog in this fight.
>>18438008>ostracized from the top leadership and decisionmaking roles>literally chairman of the Hamas political council
>>18438050nta, but you aren't fighting just because you cheer everytime the US or Israel attacks Iran or Hezbollah.
>>18437512>TaqiyyajouKek underrated
>>18438048Yeah that had some military value. Did it make up for 50 years of embargo and poverty? No. And if they weren't sanctioned, they could have supported the Houthis even more and had even better control of the Red Sea
>>18438050My country is being told to be a cuckold to Israel what the fuck do you mean I have no dog in this fight. Getting rid of Israel means I can actually have my money spent on things I value. That's ignoring the whole sacrificing children isn't good aspect.
>>18438055That is literally incorrect and something you could have googled before exposing your lack of awareness. There is currently no leader, but al-Hayya has more backing. Likely to be elected. Meshal's camp was sidelined in inner-Hamas politics and the Gaza pro-Iran camp won out in the mid to late 2010s. You can see that in the Sinwar quote above, but I understand if that's hard to find a response to
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