If India is hotter than Africa, how does the Cold Winters theory explain why Indians had the written word, large Empires/governments, mathematics, philosophy, literature etc. far more than Africans?
>>184370891. Indians largely evolved outside of India and are the result of different migrations into the subcontinent, the closest people to indigenous Indians would be Andamanese islanders which are not demonstrably superior to Africans2. Cold winters theory is false anyways
>>18437089>e written word, large Empires/governments, mathematics, philosophy, literatureAll those things were already present in Africa though
>>18437093>Indigenous Indians would be Andamanese islandersNope.
>>18437099>the closest people toYep.
>>18437089The cold winter theory is not worth entertaining, even a very young child should be able to think of the contradiction of the Eskimos before seriously suggesting such a premise.
>>18437107That like saying Japanese are indigenous of Korean peninsula.
>>18437128>That like saying (100% correct statement)
>>18437128Japonic was in the Korean peninsula before Koreanic was, and I don't think the environments are different enough that it would matter very much anyway
>>18437122>>18437093>>18437089Cold Winters Theory is true, but it's far less significant than chuds claim, having a much stronger impact on personality. The Machevelian Intelligence Hypothesis mogs.
>>18437270>Cold Winters Theory is trueIt's been btfo countless times and it literally has nothing to stand on.
>>18437270>impact on personalityBut is that truly genetic?
>>18437089Native Indians are genetically identical to Australian aboriginal people. When they have white admixture that makes them less retarded.
>>18437281Yes. Using even latitude as a proxy for cold weather and controlling for ancestry shows a genetic correlation with cold weather and things like introversion.
>>18437279Nuh-uh. While small, there is still a correlation with Cold Weather and EA3 (the best proxy for group IQ iirc) even after controlling for ancestry.
>>18437316Also see:
>>18437319>>18437294>there is still a correlation with Cold Weather and EA3 (the best proxy for group IQ iirc) even after controlling for ancestry.You can also come up with asspull correlations using anything anon. Trying to distill everything into one's little pet theory is the sign on desperation.
>>18437363This literally doesn't explain anything. Also why throw graphs at people like that, feels like you are doing that as a crutch of sorts.
>>18437316>>18437363People living in colder climates are more introverted, so their genes are correlated to introversion, but a causal relationship isn't demonstrated. Based on lived experience it seems to me that this is cultural and the same population can display radically different behaviours
>>18437370Apologies. Picrel is obviously limited by sample size, but we see the expected trend as Europe warms.>>18437382Populations get their predictions from genes known to effect personality among Europeans, as the polygenic score used was trained on Europeans; cultural/environmental differences associated with different populations aren't impacting the predictions. Culture also has a genetic component, but I have no strong opinion on how impactful that is among Sapiens.
India has monsoon season which balances out the heat. India is tropical while parts of Africa are dessert where droughts are a normal occurrence.
>>18437089It doesn't. Cold winters theory is a meme. Africa has plenty of seasonality too. Agriculture developed and even paleolithic Africans practiced delayed-return hunter/foraging strategies all no different than their eurasian counterparts.> the written word, large Empires/governments, mathematics, philosophy, literature eliterally location, cultural diffusion/ interaction, and subsequent feedback loops.
>>18437089In many ways, Indians are even more subhuman than Africans. Let's not forget that Aryans migrated from the north and bestowed them civilization.
>>18437294>Native Indians are genetically identical to Australian aboriginal people. When they have white admixture that makes them less retarded.Explain why South Indians are more developed and seemingly "higher IQ" . Higher per capita income, lower poverty rates, higher literacy rates.
>>18437419>Picrel is obviously limited by sample size, but we see the expected trend as Europe warms.Again with the data barrage outta nowhere. Anon you do know this isn't how you solidfy a point right?>Culture also has a genetic componentThat'a a total asspull anon. That's like saying people are born with their ethnic language.
>>18437419The entire study is incorrect because it assumed that Asians evolved in the North. This is why psychologists shouldn't use studies from other fields they clearly don't understand. Asians are not arctic adapted, they are recent migrants. North East Asia was inhabited by ANE between at least 35,000 and 17,000 years ago. They are ours and Amerindian ancestors, East Asians lack this ancestry.
>>18437460> Again with the data barrage outta nowhere.I'm socially inept. What would you prefer?> That's like saying people are born with their ethnic language.I'm not saying that all population differences are genetically coded.> That'a a total asspull anonI believe there was an experiment in which a species of bird that learns songs from their parents managed to create incredibly similar songs in just five generations after being removed from said parents. Humans are obviously not birds, though this can still be somewhat seen in the fact that we all convergently developed similar stories, tropes, ideas, etc despite being separated for large amounts of time with a good chunk of them lacking much usefulness.
>>18437319There isn't. It only applies to modern, already advanced populations. In fact, it doesn't even show this because Chinese or Japanese are hardly northern and they outcompete all Siberian Asians.Cold winters is dead. >>18437270This literally debunks cold winter as both East Asia and Europe got smarter when the locals mixed with southern groups.
>>18437530East Asians actually got dumber, but it would be nice to know which samples they included.
>>18437530> This literally debunks cold winter as both East Asia and Europe got smarter when the locals mixed with southern groups.I mentioned the superiority of MIH for a reason. How else would you explain the IQ-gaps between hunter-gatherer groups without CWT? As far as I'm aware, genetic predictors for IQ were basically static in different areas prior to the introduction of pastoralism and agriculture.
>>18437604It can't be explained with cold winter unless China was significantly colder than ice age Europe. East Asians are from China, not from further North. Chinese, Japanese and Koreans are mostly yellow river farmers, not Amur hgs, let alone ANE.
>>18437604> There isn't. It only applies to modern, already advanced populationsWrong. There still exists an EA3-gap between European, African, and East-Asian hunter-gatherers that follows the expected direction. As I claimed, the effects are small, but still significant. The correlation shown in picrel is stunted by a few issues though.https://open.substack.com/pub/uncorrelated3/p/unraveling-cold-winters-theory-with?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=88fybw
>>18437551>East Asians actually got dumberIn what tangible way do you mean?
>>18437682There aren't any efect. Look at that map, the smart Chinese are actually from the reddish region, not from the blue one. Asians are not from the North, they evolved in a climate that was more dry and hot. European hgs lived in a much colder environment.
>>18437089Cold Winters theory doesn’t explain why civilization occurs, it explains differences in behavior and IQ.Civilization isn’t the end all be all. Civilizations vary in quality and pro social high IQ groups produce better civilizations.
>>18437737It doesn't explain IQ. Probably also doesn't explain behavior.
>>18437089africa is huge continentmountainous parts of lesotho is coldladakh in india is cold too
>>18437089You are dumb have a nice day
>>18437754> Probably also doesn't explain behavior.That's the one thing it undeniably explains a large part of though.
>>18437893Papuans are literally the only group that don't follow climates predictions as far as personality is concerned.
>>18437459Communism (at least in Kerala)
>>18437089>>18437092Density
>>18437089It’s not hotter than Africa on average
>>18438278Why is Japan at the latitude of africa?
>>18438279You mean Satsuma is at the same latitude as Tunisia where there are no jungles or black people? Not really a revelation.
>>18437128far as I know, all the migrations into Japan stepped off from Korea excepting maybe the Ainu of northern Hokkaido.Who are - famously - not Japanese.
>>18437897You have to actually test ancient populations to know for sure if this is the case. >>18437419Look here, this actually contradicts it. Last glacial maximum was between 26000 and 19000 bp. Europe started getting warmer afterwards, so why is there a persisting downward trend afterwards?
>>18438278But in the winter?
>>18437419A better way to measure this would be to compare Anatolian and Early Euro farmers (plenty of samples) to HGs of different clusters (WHG, EHG and mixes).Both groups have been largely isolated for thousands of years giving enough time for distinct traits to evolve. I don't understand this retarded obsession with latitude in those IQ obsessed nuts. They have ancient DNA and actual ancestry. They should drop this whole crap about Asians being Siberians because no one believes it anymore. Maybe those Yellow River guys lived next to a radioactive meteor which made them super smart. My theory is actually more likely than all this nonsense about Arctic adaptations in Chinese who never even ventured near the arctic.
>>18437754it does provide an explanation for IQ and behavior actually.Its not absolute.Proving that other factors exist doesnt refute cold winters theory.Also cold winters theory isnt the lynch pin of scientific "racism", identifying genes associated with behaviors and intelligence is.
>>18437897>>18437363Should've actually posted all the predictions, my bad. They're contrary to Niger-Congo people's in all but agreeableness, extremely odd. Ashkenazi Jews are also kind of an outlier.
>>18438458Amish too, actually.
>>18438452Elaborate. They literally showed that Anatolian farmers looking like Sardinians were smarter than local HGs who evolved in the coldest environment on earth - some in Ice Age Europe, others migrated from Siberia.Another example from East Asia. The smartest populations all carry yellow river ancestry. There was definitely colder in the Amur region, but descendants of local hgs like tungusic populations aren't exactly geniuses. Arctic ancestry like the Innuit one also doesn't correlate positively with higher iq.
>>18438470MIH is undeniably, 110% real, so this says little about CWT. You have to compare Hunter-gatherer groups.
>>18438480Mih as machiavellian intelligence hypothesis? Yeah, I agree it's real.I don't believe in cold winters because euro hgs lived in colder environment than east asian hgs.
>>18438498> I don't believe in cold winters because euro hgs lived in colder environment than east asian hgs.Interesting, I thought that wasn't true. In that case, I'm curious how you feel about the genetically predicted IQ-gaps between different hg populations; specific levels of intelligence seem to have been selected for during the paleolithic, with predictions appearing to be settled and pretty much not changing at all.
>>18437122Eskimos = hunterer.Cold winter people doing the acre stuff = big brain nibbas.
>>18438612India is more or less a massive sub-continent and one country. Africa is a massive continent and like 55 countries. Doing shitty companion like that makes no sense and is dishonest.
>>18438725Shitty comparisons*
>>18438285It's still super hot and sunny in Tunisia even in the coast. Why the snark?
The more I learn about India the more miserable of a place it sounds. Shitty climate, polluted cities, shitty people. If I was forced at gun point to either live in Sub Saharan Africa or India I'd probably pick Africa to be honest. I've spoken to a lot of diaspora from all over the world throughout my life, Slavs, Brits, Aussies, Caribbeans, Brazilians, Canadians, Chinese, Japs, Koreans, Filipinos et al and it's consistently always the Indians who are the most ashamed and embarrassed of their homeland
>>18439882>If I was forced at gun point to either live in Sub Saharan Africa or IndiaI'd take the gunshot.
>>18439888There are some decent countries in SSA; see Botswana. A bit concerned about their financial future though...
