When did paganism become associated with peaceful nature-loving feminist matriarchies, when many early converters of Christianity in ancient Rome women?Much of the misogynist ideals of Christianity came from evangelical Protestantism anyways; Catholicism is where women are respected, including Mother Mary.
>>18437589In my experience women more readily adopt religion while men much more seem to accept the logical conclusions of religion.Atheist: According to your religion I'm going to hell when I dieChristian woman: No, you're such a good person, you always help others, do charity work...Atheist: According to your religion I'm going to hell when I dieChristian man: Yes
>>18437589because internet =/= real worldthere's loads of pagan traditions alive all over europe, they're just going under the radar since they are not advertised as such, including festivities, customs and every day stuff, often just lumped into "culture". People don't label this stuff as "pagan", since that's just an attempt at forcing an alien perspective coming from christianity. Many people probably don't even realize that stuff is "pagan"; it's just their culture.Also christianity tried to co-opt many pagan cultural traditions and festivities, starting with Yule (called christmas by converts) for example.People on reddit and feminist witches with instagram accounts represent "paganism" about as much as "tradwife" influencers represent christianity. But that shit is highly visible and easy to find on the internet so it gets memed on, deservedly so, but conflating it with real cultural traditions of "pagan" origin is retarded.Hell, even our weekdays are named after the old gods.I don't think I've ever talked about my country's indigenous traditions online, there's simply no need for that since that's just the culture of my people. I don't need to advertise it on the internet and I have never considered myself "pagan", I'm just living our culture.
>>18437594>Atheist>helping others, doing charity work
>>18437714>reading comprehension
>>18437861>retardation
>>18437613>there's loads of pagan traditions alive all over europeEurope still has about 505 million Christians. By contrast, all active modern pagan movements across the continent together likely amount only to the low hundreds of thousands at most. Even using generous estimates, Christians outnumber European pagans by roughly 2000 to 1, likely several thousand to 1.>"I don't need to advertise it on the internet and I have never considered myself "pagan", I'm just living our culture.">he says after advertising how he's pagan on the internetHad a laff at this kek
>>18437613>because internet =/= real worldI'd argue its context dependent
>>18437918you have actual, serious problems with reading comprehension>movements>Christians outnumber European pagansyour perspective is completely warped by the abrahamic frame of reference"paganism" is basically everything that's not from the judeo-christian cult, it doesn't mean anything by itself. It's a term used by christians to classify something they don't even understand the concept of.Ironically "paganism" doesn't really mean anything to those that christians would classify as "pagans". It's just the absence of judeo-christian influences."paganism" is not something directly comparable to christianitythe lens of an organized religion akin to the abrahamics simply doesn't apply: the second you start to think of peoples' spiritual folk traditions as a "religion" you've already gone off the tracksYou should be able to start understanding what we're talking about when you realize that the biggest festivities even still in the modern world are distinctly "pagan", with a thin coat of judeo-christian paint applied later on as a cope, and these days often the paint has mostly chipped away as well. Yule is purely spiritual folk tradition. So is easter. So is midsommar. So is New Year's. So is May Day. Our weekdays (slight variations in different languages) bear the names of old gods, so do the months. There's innumerable small things people do every day that have roots in spiritual folk traditions.>I don't think I've ever talked about my country's indigenous traditions online, there's simply no need for that since that's just the culture of my people. I don't need to advertise it on the internet and I have never considered myself "pagan">U ADVERTISE!No, read it again with thought. I still haven't told you anything about the actual practicalities of the traditions and that is by design. You don't need to know and there's no reason for me to talk about them to you; they're not for you. I can leave you to seethe at etsy witches and just laugh.
>>18437975Seethe retard
>>18437988what a comeback
>>18437988Happy Saturn's Day!
>>18437589It comes from Margaret Murray and her witch cult ideas
>>18437589in your pic, there were already bloodless sacrifices. Egypt, Greece, and Rome had wine, honey, milk, water, or oil offering with no animals or blood needed. You don't need an animal sacrifice to worship Demeter. Pythagoras and his followers famously rejected animal sacrifice and meat consumption, advocating for vegetarian offerings to maintain "purity".Paganism is an Umbrella term, it's not a one religion but many, so you would need to be specific. That being said, there are some probable sources:- during the early-mid development of wicca a lot of Feminists want in on it, the many goddesses associated with the triple goddess is alluring. However, most of them ""criticize"" for being too hetero(lmao) so they created their own version that is 100% more about heavy ideologies like feminist and less about the religion of balance like wicca, so you get a "denomination" known as Dianic Wicca. It's basically monotheism since it's one goddess but for...feminists- there's also druidry, which is supposed to be very nature based and heavily tied to animist. In fact, a lot of paganisim are animistic so it made sense to them to be very nature centered. I say "supposed" because i know a lot of people would reference ceasar's wickerman thing, despite having no ties or evidence. (inb4 a christian reads this and makes a new thread)>>18437918advertising is different from publicizing. the anon is not telling you to worhip thor in bold letters the same way you see people spamming 'seek christ'. in general, modern paganism is voluntary and non-proselytizing. no pagan would do efforts to force others so it's easy to tell which is a fraud and which is a real one because actual pagans today wouldn't even have the wisdom to bother hanging out on places like 4chan, reddit, or discord when there are better ways to gather a community that has less chances of e-crusaders or bible throwers interrupting.
>>18437589Why can't modern neopagans bring back the orgy thing. I mean c'mon. That was the best part.
>>18438151skyclad rituals are a thing, but very private and comes with a lineage.
>>18437594>pic/pol/tranny mental illness
>>18437589>Much of the misogynist ideals of Christianity came from evangelical ProtestantismWhat are you talking about? Evangelicals are very pussywhipped.
>>18438171Yes and no. Its actually mixed. John Knox was chauvinist by western standards but the church liberalized eventually centuries later.
>>18437589Neither ancient nor modern paganism have any universal moral values that one needs to adhere to in order to be a "real" pagan.
>>18438151What makes you think it isn't a thing?
>>18438174you're treating "pagan" as if it was a positive descriptor of something defined when it's just the absence of christian influenceit's as silly a notion as saying something like "non-religions have the universal moral value of banning the consumption of birds"It would be better to talk about the specific peoples and geographical areas and their customs and folk traditionsalso>universal moral valuesFrom history, especially legal history, we can understand that christianity and especially "european christian moral values" didn't just pop out of the bible as a readily wrapped complete product that just filled something akin to a (universal) moral vaccuum. If we look at european history what christianity actually did is that it CODIFIED ALREADY EXISTING MORAL VALUES, with the addition of drawing its authority from the god of jews and christians. This codification, bar the source of authority, is an actual positive for the benefit of christianity.If the "universal" moral values christianity and the bible were selling to people had been some hard reversal of all the existing moral values it would never have taken root in the same way. Christianity bent over backwards to co-opt all the existing cultural values, festivals, events and customs if they were in the slightest compatible with christianity. And sometimes even when they really weren't.Christianity is a lot like that meme picture "I made this", they painted everything they could possibly stomach with a christian coat of paint and called it a day.
>>18437918>Europe still has about 505 million Christians.PFFAHAHAHAHAHAHA. No, it doesnt.
