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Can Yahweh really see into the future or not? If so why would he willingly create Lucifer/Satan despite already knowing he was going to betray him? Free will would also not be possible if he can, since that would mean he predeterminates the fate of everyone and everything.
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>>18438316
The actual reason is that Satan isn't actually the bad guy in the context of the Bible, that was mostly just an apologetic invention. In the Old Testament, Satan's job is to carry out shit on Gods behalf. You have to remember that everyone in the Old Testament is a morally gray asshole. It's only Christians that pretend like God is some absolute good.
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>>18438316
If God knows and sees everything at all times then time itself doesn't really exist for him since nothing changes from his perspective.
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>>18438316
In classical theism, the idea is that since he is a creator he seems to have knowledge of all times at once. This might entail determinism and mess up his attributes like goodness or even render God a liar, and then not God if the belief is in a personal God. Others argue for open theism, where God knows all things, but the future is not a kind of thing God can be said to know.
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>>18438316
There is also the belief associated with occasionalism which for certain creates contradictions that holds that God actively wills every single moment so God knows all things simply because he actively wills them adn there is only a present moment for God. This mess up the attributes horribly.
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>>18438316
God is Time. What a dumb question.
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>>18438316
the whole Satan betrayal narative comes from miltons paradise lost in the old testament Satan is more like a lakey to yawhey
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>>18438316
God exists outside of space and time, which is hard to describe. To put into a physical context, imagine DVDs. The contents of a DVD can be thought of as existing outside of space and time, because you can start it, stop it, place it at a specific time. However, now imagine that the contents of the DVD are actual reality. It's kinda like that.
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>>18438316
>If so why would he willingly create Lucifer/Satan despite already knowing he was going to betray him?
You haven't seen the end of the movie so things may seem confusing tl you now
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>>18439607
Also, imagine being able to be conscious of the entire movie, rather than just a specific scene, which is difficult to comprehend with our limited human perception.
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>>18438316
>Satan
Satan is the privation of Lucifer. It is the fallen state of what is selected by God. This is conveyed in Job, when the "Son's of God" present themselves, and the adverse meaning is also there.
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>>18438316
Satan is in truth, God. When the Jews, believing Yahweh was God, faced opposition, temptation, and failure it was easier to simply blame a disobedient angel than to perceive that their own deity was the one "wrestling with God." To a Jew, the victory of the Romans was an act of Satan, rather than the will of God. To a Jew, falling into temptation was a clear sign that Yahweh was testing them, rather than that God willed for them to deviate from his law. Satan is not just found in evil, but in good. So no, God is Satan. And Satan isn't some lawless or chaotic figure, he's just the characterization of reality invalidating the Jewish hypothesis.
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Was it God or Satan who invented Pepsi?



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