when was the last time America was truly worth dying for?
>>18440462The Nation? Always.The State that rules it? Never.
>>18440463>The Nation? Always.I wouldn't say that anymore, I've lost faith in the nation. They're not my people anymore, not really. Demographic replacement means I share nothing in common with these newcomers.
>>18440464This i dont see myself in the mirror when i reflect on what this country has become
>>18440462Back when the enemy was paleskinned invaders from the Old World.
>>18440462Dying for the interests of the elites has never been worth it.
>>18440468native americans fought extensively in wwii, the code talkers for instance we were all in this shit together at one point
>>18440476No we have always been grist for mill. You are the worst kind of cattle if you even consider sacrificing your life for cowardly princes.
>>18440464>>18440466America is your home and these are your people. You should learn to love the whole western hemisphere as your own. It is ancient, it is a great marvel, a land still filled with magic.
>>18440481But what of sacrificing my life for my fellow man?
>>18440476Most Americans were ambivalent towards the European theater and there was the very real possibility of fascists getting elected into the presidency. You don't name Adolf Hitler TIME "Man of the Year" without having some sympathy for what he's doing.
>>18440482It stopped being my home the moment society decided to call me a "colonizer" who needs to get "pushed back into the sea." If those were the words of the lunatic fringe than there would've been pushback against them - the opposite happened, both the media and public embraced it. I want you to see what happens if a lily-white "gringo" insists he shares in the cultural heritage of the Maya, you'll get laughed at.
>>18440487I mainly view WWII from the pacific theatre pov the american navy/naval air corp/marines singlehandedly strangled the Japanese empire in the cradle that is the true American victory in wwii in my eyes at least, and one of the most badass accomplishments in military history
>>18440485>But what of sacrificing my life for my fellow man?>We need to fight a bloody war against Southern plutocrats so the northern plutocrats can have a monopoly on industry.The best thing to do is refuse the call to arms. If the ghouls in Washington bray for blood than they can go out and milk it themselves.
>>18440491Jenny was literally designed to be a free use slut for millennial men.
>>18440497jenny was designed to specifically be my wife
>>18440490man are you like 14 years old?
>>18440504Then why is she walking around with my cum in her?
to rephrase my OPis there any cause on the planet that would get you to literally run into the teeth of an opposing force expecting you?
>>18440505Is that really your only argument?
>>18440507lol no
>>18440507those dudes were just physiologically and psychologically built different than the people on the earth today its like comparing different species
> expenditure of manpower to acquire a small, God-forsaken island, useless to the Army as a staging base and useless to the Navy as a fleet base, one wonders if the same sort of airbase could not have been reached by acquiring other strategic localitiesWould you be willing to die for nothing in the most hellish, terrifying way possible simply because the people you trust told you to?They were a different species, a different mental state
>>18440511I guess to you but to everyone in this thread, check out Flags Of Our Fathers. Great deconstructionist war movie by Clint Eastwood about the lives of the guys who were in the Okinawa flag raising photographhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GdDPaT2nEo
>>18440523the flag raising on mt suribachi was on iwo jima, not okinawa, but your sentiment is appreciated regardless
>>18440524Sorry I'm kind of drunk. Still a really good movie, one of the best war films I can think of
2015
America has been evil since its founding.
>>18440529im kinda drunk too hence the sentimentality for those young men all those years ago
>>18440490That’s really the crux of the issue, society has become all stick, no carrot. There’s no reason to work hard for people that really wish you were dead.
>>18440534Exactly my question is when did it change? obviously it was after 1945I personally would put the line of demarcation at 1963 (kennedys assassination) but other suggestions are welcome
>>18440533I didn't know John Wayne did a WWII movie, interesting
>>18440540its a good one too, had it on vhs growing up in the 2000s and was always in the rotation
>>18440463The state is the nation, anyone claiming otherwise is huffing cope fumes. The USA is defined by its Constitution and adherence to that government, otherwise you'd have to face the facts that someone from Maine probably has more in common with Canada than they do with Texas (which may as well be Mexico)
>>18440542Thanks for letting me know, I'll put it on the 'log
>>18440487>this shit againA) Stalin was also "Man of the Year" and so was Deng Xiaoping (twice!)B) Gallup polling data from the 30s indicate a supermajority (over 60%) of Americans had a negative view of Hitler and Nazi Germany already in 1936 and by 1939 a supermajority of Americans were pro-France/UK in the war and thought Germany was in the wrong against Poland.
>>18440548to be fair deng literally saved China from following in the USSRs footsteps
>>18440534Society has been all stick for most of history. If you were whinging about home affordability in 1850 they'd laugh at your bum ass and say "why don't you BUILD your own house with your own hands, like a normal man?"
>>18440508I wasn't making any argument. That was a visceral reaction to reading your post. I'm not the other anon.
>>18440555idk but i lived a summer in florida w/o power once and i gotta say that AC and refrigeration is a pretty gud carrot
>>18440462War of 1812. It's the last time we've actually fought a war for our own freedom against a foe that could otherwise have conquered us.
>>18440548>Gallup polling dataGallup himself said his polling method was to frame political issues.Hitler had widespread support in America by all non biased metrics.
>>18440462Old new.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Red_Wingshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kamdesh
>>184404621913.
>>18440462The seven years' war.
>>18440462America is an economic zone not a nation or people in any recognizable sense. Anyone who wants to die for it has a screw loose
>>18440540>didn't know John Wayne did a WWII movieThere’s a couple of others I can think of. They Were Expendable (PT boats in the Philippines) and Flying Leathernecks (Marine aviators) He caught some shit for not actually fighting in the war.
>>18440468>Get out off my land, dirty alchoholic!
>>18440868People who say this are usually thirdies who ironically sold their country's most valuable resources to American companies for cheap access to American products. Get a real job instead of trying to ragebait some fat retard boomer into shooting up his local Walmart.
>>18440462There never was a time in which anything has ever been worth dying for unless it's rational suicide to prevent an amount of suffering to great to bear, as in euthanasia.
>>18440468/thread
>>18440462Is this Iwo Jima?
>>18440505Nice tactic:>it's mature to live in a country that's way less white than it used to be or would be ideal for other whitesFunnily, only a 20-something still under the influence of their lib arts degree would buy it.
