The Western Roman Empire fell in 461. After the second sack of Rome and the execution of Majorian, the Empire became a puppet rump state to Germanics, who had a fundamentally different approach to governing than the Romans and the people they assimilated. The Germans preferred Kingship and property rights to Emperors and offices, so it was impossible for a Germanic-dominated Rome to continue as Rome.The Eastern Roman Empire fell in 1204. The Nicean Empire is not the Roman Empire. They were a rump state and never managed to fully defeat the other Greek-Roman rump states. They did conquer Constantinople at the cost of losing their Anatolian power base, which effectively made them deserving of epithet Byzantine.But the actual true Roman Empire of course fell in 380, when a defeated slave race managed to replace Roman Culture with their own mythology, rituals, ceremonies and rules. Do not be confused by me writing Roman Culture, instead of Roman Religion. The widely accepted concept of a difference between culture and religion is precisely a propaganda victory of that slave race. No one would ever convert, if they were told they had to give up their culture, even though that would inevitably be the consequence of a conversion to an Abrahamic religion. The priests invented this concept.
>>18440633If you want to be pedantic about it, it 'fell' much later than 461. And it was a gradual change, between the reigns of Maurice and Leo the Isaurian
>>18440633Majorian shouldn't overthrowing his emperors.
Interesting historical fact: Mongols conquest indirectly push one of pseudo-Anatolian Turks clan into Nicean's core heartland, which later founded Ottoman state.
>>18440633if you want to be nitpicky (I approve), the "wre" was rump state already after weal reign of honorius.fun fact: the 476 as a turning point was chosen by Justinian to justify his invasion exactly 60 years later.
Technically this is all constantine fault, he's the one who refunded "rome" and tried to convince everyone it's still rome.We only say the ERE is technically rome because he did.
>>18440633>The Western Roman Empire fell in 461. After the second sack of Rome and the execution of Majorian, the Empire became a puppet rump state to GermanicsAnthemius was a ruler in his own right who was supported by the Senate. Only after the civil war of 472 and the defeat of Anthemius and the Senate did Ricimer actually achieve supreme power.>>18441069>the 476 as a turning point was chosen by Justinian to justify his invasion exactly 60 years later.It also was the end of independent Senatorial power and the Roman Empire in the West. It's not an arbitrary date.
