Why is Buddhism the only religion that uses practical methods to deal with problems instead of magical thinking?
>>18440701Why are Western fools so easily swayed by Indians?
>>18440707Because it's exotic le mystical
>>18440710but some actually end up not redeeming and sending the google gift cards... does it come from the huge gradient in trust?
It isn’t. There are quite a few different Eastern Religions that do this. Also, depends on what you mean by “traction ways of solving problems” here. Do you mean the meditation practice? Or following moral principles like non-violence? Incorporating discipline? Or just the general philosophy/theology being more practical?Also depends on how you define “practical”. I would say “love thy neighbor” is pretty good advice to create a well-bonded community. So western religions’ advice might also be considered “practical”, in that respect.
>>18440720I mean everything I posted in a very general and ignorant sense because I don't know what I'm talking about and wanted to spark a discussion so I can learn more about Buddhism. By practical I mean something that is likely to succeed in real circumstances. Meditation in my mind is more practical than prayer because it forces yourself to deal with the problems rather than wishing them away, which means you actually understand why the problem happened in the first place and how to deal with it rather than trying really hard to make the problem disappear in your mind with lots of hope
>>18440707Buddhism is appealing to some westerners, usually more educated and cosmopolitan than average, because it is more psychological than other religions and also because its oriental trappings are an escape from soulless western modernity.
>>18440701Meditation is so definitively not rooted in mystical thinking anonVirtually everything about Buddhism stems from Hindu beliefs which are themselves based on myths about karma and such
>>18440754Reminder that there is no Hindu manuscript from before 1000AD. Buddhist scriptures are litterally older.
>>18440759I mean, Hinduism is not "a" religion, is just the western name for all the religious/philosophical ideas from the subcontinent that are not cool enough to be considered independent (like Buddhism or Sikhism)
>>18440754Where the beliefs are rooted from doesn't really matter when the beliefs hold up to this day. Karma from what I understand is just a way to understand that every single thing that happens in the universe is part of cause and effect which even scientists can agree with even if they don't believe in the mythical part of magical good energy making good things happen for some magical reason
>>18440763Well I'm talking about the earliest text fragments of the supposedly ancient Rigveda.
>>18440769Well the Niggveda supposedly talks about some ancient stuff like how Indo Aryans conquered the north of India, I don't think pajeets suddently remembered they weren't always brown mutts and they were once mostly White
>>18440701>Le Buddhism is epic materialist practicaCKK!
>>18440701>my method to deal with that problem?>sit still and go "UMMMMMM" then whack myself in the nuts with a stickUhh.... yeah nah.
>>18440759The Buddhist scriptures themselves witness to Hindu brahmins, their rites, and their vedas.fuck off you absolute dunning krueger midwit
>>18440951Name of the primary source which you are refering to?
>>18440701How is islamic salah (prayer) not meditation? A great number of things actually can be considered meditation
>>18440707The whole world has been psyoped by Jews and Indians. It's hilarious when you think about 70-80% of people believing in the words of the two worst races around. The most vile, conniving, deceitful, lustful, hypocritical, and murderous nations. To trust them...
>>18441004who said it isnt?
>>18440701>Buddhism>uses practical methods to deal with problems instead of magical thinking?Namu Myōhō Renge Kyō
>>18440763Should have used Jainism. Sikhism is a genuinely divergent belief deeply influenced by Islam. More hybrid than anything else. And Buddhism has a life of its own so it wouldn't be fair to lump them into the India specific religions.
>>18441061Errata: Technically Hinduism isn't really "India specific" per se or even xtrictly confined to the indian diaspora. But there's like six million non-subcontinental Hindus (including ISKCONites) max so who cares.
>>18441052>buddhism says there are forces outside of our understanding and calls them magical >western religion says there are forces that we can't understand and calls them the truth
>>18440701>practical methods to deal with problemsaccepting shit because you want to be reborn into a better life sounds like the most retarded scam anyone ever dreamed up
>>18441134No, not all Buddhists believe in literal, life-to-life rebirth. While traditional schools (Theravada, Tibetan) consider rebirth central to karma and liberation, many modern or secular Buddhists interpret it metaphorically—as the constant, moment-to-moment change of consciousness—rather than a literal reincarnation of a soul
>>18440701>staring at a wall is better than establishing a covenant with Christ, bro!
>>18441165it quite literally is, lmao
>>184411341. Rebirth is true and western materialists aren't wrong because it's bad optics, they're wrong because they're wrong2. The entire point is to escape rebirth.
>>18441167Okay well be a good buddhist and go annihilate yourself out of existence then.
>>18441132chanting some nonsense so Maitreya helps you is the definition of magical thinking. And buddhism does not call it magic.>>18441168>Rebirth is le true because it just is.It's not like there is a way to actually prove it anyone's satisfaction.
>>18441178Not I have a problem with Nichiren. or their magical thinking. But let's be serious, Buddhism is by no means any more 'rational' than other religions. Idk, I guess if you are a turbo theravadin or smt.
>>18441178>chanting some nonsense so Maitreya helps you is the definition of magical thinkingI feel like you're comparing the most extreme practices of Buddhism to common practices of western religion. Not all Buddhists are monastic and do chanting rituals. I've just never met a Buddhist that claims their religion is the one true religion and needs to be spread to as many people as possible. Buddhists allow you to decide for yourself what's true, and you can take it or leave it.
It is because their epistemology is rooted in reliablism and coherentism. The idea of magical for example reflects a view of a natural and supernatural order. Buddhism understands practices in terms of what the produces of the action does. This combined with metaphysical antirealism tends to give it the focus it does. Just like epistemic foundationalism like St. Augustine often gives way to literalism, their account does the opposite.
It is worth noting that buddhānusmṛti, buddha recollection is not just simply chanting something for the sake of chanting. In orthodox Buddhist traditions, the idea is that statement causes your mind to do something and especially develop certain qualities which even cause mental awareness to cease into an unconditioned quality. Basically, you recite a name of a Buddha to produce a type of gnosis or insight into reality. Some types of Nichiren Buddhism are not actually Buddhism but neo-Buddhists, reliigions that use buddhist imagery or concepts. Some are closer to Tendai Buddhism are still a bit of an outlier case anywho.
They inherited scholasticism and missed out on hesychasm so have a spiritual void that they attempt to fill with Eastern Philosophy and New Age Spiritualism
>>18440701Catholicism is the triumph of Reason.I won't elaborate.
>>18441169Don't Buddhists believe in monism in a way? Don't they think that once you die you become part of that monistic consciousness?
>>18442074No, they strongly reject that. They are types of metaphysical antifoundationalists. Basically, there are no fundamental essences or substances. Reality is ultimately neither one nor many. Comparative philosophers argue about whether this is a necessary feature of some of their views about self or views of cause and so on. Here is a good academic lecture on it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E1_ZeKQ81cFrom their soteriological view, they would say they seek to achieve the cessation of dukkha some traditions think of as a type of omniscience, but not how we usually use the term, because in their context it means a cessation of an cognitive error.
>>18440701Which Buddhism though? Chinese? Tibetan? Zen? Indian?
>>18442089It is worth noting that Buddhism superficially looks very different, but academically, it is pretty homogenous philosophically. In practice, this has also been reaffirmed in the World Buddhist Congress.This captures comse of the congress proceedings.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Points_Unifying_Theravāda_and_MahāyānaThis is more of an academic take.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbtw4F3g3RY&list=PLKBfwfAaDeaWBcJseIgQB16pFK4_OMgAs&index=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw2o63abpvs&list=PLKBfwfAaDeaWBcJseIgQB16pFK4_OMgAs&index=2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5jayCoGN7s&list=PLKBfwfAaDeaWBcJseIgQB16pFK4_OMgAs&index=3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTAyonU0lZs&list=PLKBfwfAaDeaWBcJseIgQB16pFK4_OMgAs&index=4
>>18440701How do Buddhists solve the issue of their religion being the fastest shrinking religion on earth?No one believes itShits retarded
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Christianity and Islam both chose to rid themselves of logical arguments, Valentinus Christianity was considered heretical despite being pretty in line with Christian thought simply because it was competing with other schools of thought at the time.
>>18442089I also seek the cessation of durka
>>18441909First of all, even the lay people have to chant the Mantra in Nichiren Buddhism.Secondly, Nichiren is by no means extreme, come on now. Buddhism can get much worse than that.
