>overthrow tyrannical monarchy, establishes superpower>fast forward 200 years>in serious decline>multiple puppet rulers>entire administration is sold out to foreigners >populace is drugged out on opioids sold by foreigners>be modern day USA>pic unrelatedWhy was the Qing Dynasty best dynasty?
>>18441186You forgot>Fucked up faggy hairstyle
>>18441186They weren't. I protest even lumping them into the rest as just another 'dynasty'. It collapses a very interesting and complex state in just the latest iteration of le ching chong empire. The Tang are a much better choice for best dynasty, and they were actually Chinese, to boot.You gave away you weren't talking about the Qing by the fourth line, btw.
>>18441198Lowkey, I feel the same way about the Yuan dynasty. >>18441186Oh, and you forgot>Loves India
>>18441186>wear this ridiculous ponytail or be tortured to deathsteppeniggers deserve no mercy
>>18441284Well the point literally was to demonstrate submission toward the Manchu (formerly the Jurchen, as the Manchu are a Qing era construct).
>>18441284>>18441295> "haha, steppejoggers forced ricechuds to wear this stupid hairstyle as a sign of submission!"> "this dumbshit will never happen to us, proud Westerners!"> cripples himself with a covidslop
>>18441346Buddyboy, Chin-kee, my friend. Neither of us are making fun of your now long dead ancestors for being conquered. The first guy was so angered by the queue he wanted to exterminate all steppe nomads and I am explaining that it was a tool of control that readily made the troublemakers stand out.
>>18441346>covidslopYou went with this instead of the genital mutilation?
>>18441284In America we are taught that racist white people forcibly cut the hair of Chinese migrants so I am wondering if they actually liked having that hair.
>>18441655No we aren't. Who the fuck taught you that?
>>18441198> Speak Chinese> Practice Chinese culture> Patronize Chinese art> Share power with the existing Han landowning elites > Share power with the existing Han civil bureaucracy> Create and recruit into the Han Banners> Expand lebestraum for the Han with their own blood, forcibly settle Han settlers in peripheral, traditionally non-Han territories > Massacre various non-Han minoritiesTrue, they did even more for Han Chinese even more than average, extremely based
>>18441964You type like you are trying to troll me. Though the Chinese government does seem to endorse this position at least to some extent so may you are serious. Why don't we talk about it more seriously?
>>18441861Blue state public schools
>>18442016The point is if they didn't see themselves as fundamentally Chinese, their actions would seem to betray themIn either case Manchus and Han are both yellow East Asians that today are indistinguishableEven their ancestors, the Jurchens were already sedentary to semi-sedentary, with sizable input of Yellow River DNA via West Liao River farmersWhich is funny, because people from countries that were subjugated by racial aliens (sometimes multiple times) seem to love bringing up le Mongols and Manchus, as a pathetic projection
>>18442034>The point is if they didn't see themselves as fundamentally Chinese, their actions would seem to betray themNot anymore than they'd betray themselves feeling fundamentally Tibetan or fundamentally Mongolian. I'll adress that first post of yours.>In either case Manchus and Han are both yellow East Asians that today are indistinguishable. Even their ancestors, the Jurchens were already sedentary to semi-sedentary, with sizable input of Yellow River DNA via West Liao River farmers.Ok, and? What does this have to do with anything? I'm not trying to have a haplotarded dick measuring contest about who raped who. I'm not Brown, I'm not a nazi, I'm not Russian.>Which is funny, because people from countries that were subjugated by racial aliens (sometimes multiple times) seem to love bringing up le Mongols and Manchus, as a pathetic projectionI haven't brought up race even once. Though I have insinuated you are Chinese. I know there exists a discourse online mocking the Chinese as a servile people subjugated to Steppe nomads. But I am not trying to echo it, you are punching against the air here.
>>18442058>>18441964> Speak ChineseAs I'm sure you are aware, the later Qing government waged a somewhat desperate effort to preserve Manchu Fluency among their bannermen, which would contradict this "fundamentally Chinese" theory.> Practice Chinese culture> Patronize Chinese artYou will NOT believe what other cultures and art they practiced and patronized. (Aside from their own, which they basically made from whole cloth during the imperial period).> Share power with the existing Han landowning elites> Share power with the existing Han civil bureaucracyDominating ethnic groups always do this, the Qing didn't only treat the Qing like this, but also co-operated with the elites of their other subjects.> Expand lebestraum for the Han with their own blood, forcibly settle Han settlers in peripheral, traditionally non-Han territoriesNothing fundamentally Chinese about that, it's actually fairly common practice for empires. And this only began happening in a large scale very late during a time of crisis when the traditional structure of the empire had all but collapsed.> Massacre various non-Han minoritiesI didn't know mass murder was a fundamentally Chinese trait. I assume the curiously unmentioned massacres of Han are also fundamentally Chinese? Or should we omit those? The Qing Regime was insanely brutal and eradicated anyone who opposed them with extreme brutality, regardless of ethnicity. Very egalitarian. Anyone can cherrypick sources to win the who raped who competition if you are unemployed enough. But I'm not trying to build a narrative of "Based Qing steppe empire oppressing chinx!" i that is what has you insane.
>>18442058They didn't only treat the Han* like this. English, english.
>>18442059Okay let's steelman and assume all of that is true, doesn't change the fact that Manchus are still Yellow East Asians at the end of the day, whereas the Indo-European race is getting raped to oblivion historically and currentlyYou going to mention where your ancestry is from or nah?
>>18442059also veeery interesting they invited Central Plains Han settlers into their very own ancient homelands in Manchuria to breed them out if they were a separate "dominating elite", veeery interesting
>>18442059>>18441964
People keep glazing Tang when it had the utter garbage of An Lushan rebellion and the fucking Tibetans sacking Chang'an.
>>18442168Well, at that moment, as you may know, the Russian empire had just taken the outer parts of Manchuria and was very likely to make a grab for the rest. Manchuria at the time was nearly uninhabited because the Qing dynasty had hitherto re-located the Jurchen, now Manchus, to other places and forbidden the Chinese (save the bannermen) from settling them. This made the neglected north of the empire easy pickings for the Russians, who above all else crave warm water ports. Did you know the Qing hadn't even fully explored Sakhalin when they lost the territory? >>18442166>RAPERAPERAPERAPERAPERAPERAPERAPEIs that all you can think about: murder and rape? It won't make you any less of man if you think about something else, you know.>>18442367Who the fuck cares? Have you been raped in real life? Why are you so fixated on this?>>18442416It just makes it more kino.
>>18442452Because it was a historical fact that Indo-European groups were outcompeted in West China by both Yellow Turkics and Sino-Tibetans, and both groups literally raped the former to death (with the latter also cannibalizing)see the following groups that literally don't exist anymore within borders of China:- Tocharians- Yuezhi- Saka (Scythian)- Wusun- Sogdian- Jiethey simply could not compete, literally> Well, at that moment, as you may know, the Russian empire had just taken the outer parts of Manchuria and was very likely to make a grab for the rest. Manchuria at the time was nearly uninhabited because the Qing dynasty had hitherto re-located the Jurchen, now Manchus, to other places and forbidden the Chinese (save the bannermen) from settling them. This made the neglected north of the empire easy pickings for the Russians, who above all else crave warm water ports. Did you know the Qing hadn't even fully explored Sakhalin when they lost the territory? hmmm interesting, so the Manchus specifically chose a racially "lower" peoples specifically to populate their homelands against Russians, hmmmm interesting
>>18442452> Is that all you can think about: murder and rape? It won't make you any less of man if you think about something else, you know.seems like your ancestors were raped by racial aliens, and you're coping about it now lel
>>18441861https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigtail_Ordinance
>>18441186chinks and pajeets spew alot of shit here
>>18443084Interesting. Amazing how both red state and blue state education just fucking sucks because American education fucking sucks.
uh oh what's got jimmy huayi sizzling now
>>18443203t. mutt with raped ancestor kek
>>18441655>In America we are taught that racist white people forcibly cut the hair of Chinese migrants so I am wondering if they actually liked having that hair.Well, I suppose said migrants were probably not planning on staying in America. I'm sure I've read somewhere that Americans would advertise to the Chinese to come make their fortune at "Gold Mountain." These guys probably thought they'd make a bunch of money and then go back home (where they'd have to continue wearing their Manchurian braid).
Reminder that the Shang captured Indo-European pastoralists from the Western regions as slaves, and ritually sacrificed them after running them into the ground with hard labourhttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0278416517300041
>>18443234>english responsebroken branch ancestor cry etc
>>18443288That's par for the course for the exotic east though isn't it. Look how fast you were gobbling down corpses during the cultural revolution
>>18441194>t. receding hairline malding at majestic broccoli perms
