>>18441550
Obviously it's the Chinese.
The only "very high ability" races are East Asians, Europeans, and Jews. Europeans have been totally and completely defeated and conquered by Jews, who will likely go down alongside their defeated subjects. That leaves only East Asians. Some "above average"/"high" ability races, like the Persians and Turks aren't numerous enough to really compete, and also lag behind in average human capital.

>>18441556
>The only "very high ability" races are East Asians, Europeans, and Jews.
Lmao. Countless counterexamples ro all of them.

>Persians and Turks aren't numerous enough to really compete
Please google your info before you type. The search bar is only an inch away.

>>18441556
trvthnvke

>>18441903
all he stated were facts, and you know it, which is why you're deflecting

South America, simply because they don't have a bullshit ancient historical story tying them, aren't ruled by elderly oligarchs, not completely fucked by single family home and land as a property, and not too constrained by religion. Basically, they are still free to think of the world in different ways. Either them or Far East Asia for having the best combination of philosophies and culture, land policies and political systems.

>>18441947
>all he stated were facts
He didn't state any facts, just statements with no real basis in them because he doesn't really have a grasp of history past the last 50 years.

>>18441953
> still no argument against

QED

>>18441967
He got several basic stuff wrong and then went on some tangent about Jews.

>>18441970
I'm that poster. No. It is pretty obvious that those three have the highest average human capital. Measured intelligence (IQ) and observed real-world performance (development of places they make, how well they do in science & research etc.). The existence of highly intelligent Indians or Egyptians does not contradict this.

>>18441556
Eh. The chinese suffer atrocious birth rates as well. They don't have the third world underclass of the west, but it remains to be seen how much of a burden that one actually is. If a future US president gets the west back together, we will see two somewhat evenly matched, though quite different power blocks. If AI becomes as much of a force multiplier as some expect, the US won't even need anyone else for it.
On the other hand, china has the political makeup to actually, maybe, fix their birth rates. I don't believe that the west does.

>>18441992
I agree that AI and technology muddies things considerably. Humanity could become obsolete soon for all we know. If we assumed technology was stagnant from here on, then it's pretty clear the West is going to descend into some Brazil-like state, and that there is no political solution. Meanwhile China likely has the ability to fix their current issues, which are shared by the West (e.g. low birthrates, just that third world importation and birthrates mask it to some extent).

>>18441989
>highest average human capital.
Where'd you get those numbers. Euros and East Asiana aren't a monolith.

>Measured intelligence (IQ) and observed real-world performance (development of places they make, how well they do in science & research etc.).
Those metrics arent used as a powerscaling measurement anon.

>The existence of highly intelligent Indians or Egyptians does not contradict this.
But you totally forgot how plenty of areas of the world used to be pretty economically powerful and influential. Why do those long ass stretches of centuries not count but 50 measily years suddenly do? Like this shit is totally unpredictable so assuming that those tgree groups you fellas will always be on top makes no sense. Especially with the major illegals and crisis they are facing.

>>18441997
>then it's pretty clear the West is going to descend into some Brazil-like state
This makes no sense.

>>18441997
Brazil is still decently capable at putting the productive part of its citizenry to work. Sure, crime rates are high and life standards are low, but the economy is functional. You need a pretty damn high ratio of third world to first world for society to stop working altogether (south africa is getting there). And the muslims of europe and hispanics of the US are not actually african tier.

>>18442004
>south africa is getting there
It's made some pretty notable gains.
>muslims of europe and hispanics of the US are not actually african tier.
Far right and anti-immigrants constantly scream about them and and frequently speak racist rhetoric about them. Muslims and Africans are part of the same immigrant group to them. I definitely know you're from Latin America or some diaspora.

>>18442000
We are talking about present day, there is occidental civilization and oriental civilization, who each have their sovereign tech stacks, and who are actually sovereign in real sense of the word

Everyone else, without the backing of one or the other, will and can get fucked up by colour revolution, regime change, sanctions, etc. into irrelevancy

>>18442004
Well for one, there are a lot of black Africans in both countries. Two, yeah, Brazil is somewhat functional. That's why I said "descend into" and not "completely collapse". Just a drastic decrease from what they they are today because the average human quality will get so much lower.
>>18442001
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>>18442000
>Where'd you get those numbers. Euros and East Asiana aren't a monolith
Sophistry. Not a monolith. My bad I thought they were all exactly the same.
>Those metrics arent used as a powerscaling measurement anon.
No argument, just some strawman.
>But you totally forgot how plenty of areas of the world used to be pretty economically powerful and influential...
Strawmanning. There is a little known tribe called the "Uga Booga" which discovered fire and pointy sticks tens of thousands of years ago. They reigned as the most technologically advanced peoples for literally tens of thousands of years prior to the emergency of the proto-Mesopotamians.

>>18442012
>who each have their sovereign tech stacks
Lmao they don't, both are extremely dependant on each other in a globohomo world.

>Everyone else, without the backing of one or the other, will and can get fucked up by colour revolution, regime change, sanctions, etc. into irrelevancy
Feels like you are conflating the US with the West as a whole. Also I don't see East Asian statea doing power plays in the ME.

>>18442013
>No argument, just some strawman.
That'a not what a strawman is anon. You must be terribly illiterate or a total ESL if you think that's what strawmanning is.

>>18442017
They are not dependent in the sense of industry collapsing if trade stops, and they are increasingly decoupling as well

It's not about making "power plays" it's "are you self sufficient" technologically

>>18442023
>They are not dependent in the sense of industry collapsing if trade stops
If trade stops both would get fucked. You do know TSMC's machines arent made in Taiwan right?
>they are increasingly decoupling as well
Not really. They are all still very dependant on global trade and commerce.

>it's "are you self sufficient" technologically
Which pretty no state truly is. Not even the US.

>>18442013
Most "black" Brazilians aren't even half black last I checked.

>>18442039
TSMC and ASML are only necessary for the highest end chips, 28nm which is "good enough" for most things, both the US and China can manufacture themselves

> Which pretty no state truly is. Not even the US.
It's a question of degrees, and US/China are in a league of their own with regards to this, or at least, hold enough cards to have access to the other's cards, for now

>>18442044
>both the US and China can manufacture themselves
China still is quite a waya behind and the US haa been basically eroding on the tech manufacturers group side of things.

>>18442047
It's a two man race for the only thing that matters (AI) at this point

Everybody else is irrelevant

>>18441550
It isn't about race, it's about values and culture.
THe free world/first world is still leading mankind.
The best example is communist China vs free China (Taiwan, Singapore). Same race but the free Chinas are respected people who will lead the future.
Mainly China is an upstart but it's stagnating and is destined to adopt the free world's value.

>>18441550
Whites have had the most advanced civilizations for most of history, that's never going to change

>>18442066
Culture and values btw spawns from the ether at random
>>18442071
3500 to about 800 BC was the Middle East and Egypt
800 BC to about 900 AD was Greece/Rome/Byzantine
900 to about 1200 was China
1300 - today was Europe

>>18442132
>Culture and values btw spawns from the ether at random
There are people who actually believe this, the same people who believe gender is a choice

>>18441903
Your skin is the color of my excrement.

>>18442132
>>18442135
You can choose to be a better person and adopt "european" or "asian" culture and values. You can't do that with gender.
Stop being chuds and overly focus on race.
The current war is between the first world's culture and value and the rest. And the first world is (mostly) winning,

>>18442137
Straussian cattle

>>18442140
I'm just stating fact. Nothing is preventing the mainland CHinese or the Jeets or the Africans from developing civilized behavior and uplift themselves.
We know they can do this in the first world through their diaspora and for China we even have a capitalist version of them.
If think first world values are white then be my guess. But to me the white race aren't anything special except a subset of Germanics (namely Dutch and Anglo-Saxon) and Europe was a shithole before Yuros adopted the capitalist values from the leading European nations.

>>18442132
The Orient was more advanced than the Occident for most of history, except for post-Industrial revolution, which was only kickstarted by transmission of Chinese technology (compass, paper, gunpowder, etc.) via Mongol conquests of Europe

Smart Europeans such as Voltaire and other Enlightenment thinkers literally looked to the East for inspiration on secular state, meritocratic selection of officials, etc.

>>18442173
That's just not true. China was ahead of Europe in development during a part of the Middle Ages. The Song Dynasty in particular (when compared to the most developed European state around that time, which would be Byzantine and some Italian states)
But prior to that, and after that, China just didn't have anywhere near the intellectual development of Europe. They have no equivalent of an Archimedes, Aristotle, Plato, Euclid & Co. etc.. Obviously the comparison becomes absurd by the time of the Renaissance, Scientific and Industrial revolutions.

>>18442178
Spring and Autumn period was a period of flourishing intellectual thought with many schools of thought, contemporaneous with golden age of Greece

China already had cast iron by 5th century BCE, earlier than the Occident, so we were technically more advanced scientifically

For math and logic I'll give you that

>>18442173
The problem with the Orient is that they are capable of making discoveries but didnt build on their discoveries to advance and improve their society. The gains of a dynasty or a ruler are retarded in few generations and their society went back to being stagnant shitholes.
Meanwhile Yurope was constantly improooving and getting their shit together.
This is why the mudhuts thing for European is a mark of pride rather than an insult, it shows how far they came. While the opposite is true to Orientals who had advanced civilizations in the past but devolved into backwardness.

>>18442192

Qin created the world's first modern state in like 200 BCE, achieved only by Europe's first in Louis 16's France in 17th century

Qin at that time already had the state capacity and organization to build Great Wall

Even before that, Chinese state could build the Great Canal in 5th century BCE

All of these massive infrastructure megaprojects were built on advances in engineering that improoooved the lives of the people

China was always more advanced in agriculture and this is proven by higher agricultural yields and population density historically

There is good evidence China would've hit the industrial revolution first, if not for being next door neighbours to Mongols, but that's life, we don't complain just move forward and learn from our mistakes and improooove as you say

>>18442198
Exactly my point, they achieved great things for a short while but everything was lost in a few generations later and was reset to square one. That's pretty pitiful.
Modern China is still like this where the modernization of the KMT is retarded by the Communists and now they suddenly claim China is rising because they were smart enough to do away with retarded communist policies even though Taiwan on its own has become a developed countries.
I hope thirdies learn to appreciate what they have and move on.

>>18442202
No you missed my point, Europe's industrialization was funded by capital surplus from colonialism from New World, before that it was in no way more advanced than China

It very well could have been Zheng He's fleet in New World instead, but it was still in reactionary mode against Mongols and ordered the expensive Treasure Fleet destroyed, unfortunate as we could be at 3 billion Chinese today otherwise, and you can bet your ass Chinese peasants would've picked the cotton themselves instead of importing Homo erectus

>>18442207
Zheng He's fleet and ship had no capacity to cross the Atlantic or Pacific.
I thought you were being fair but it's clear you want to glaze them.
And Europe was already ahead of China by his time.

>>18442202
also nothing was lost, historians have a long memory, and lessons were learned, knowledge is the most important thing

It's also good to have system resets every now and then, you need reboots every now and then to clean up the detritus, so to speak

Also modernization from KMT on Taiwan is a problem magnitudes easier considering they had the initial gold bullion they took from the Qing to kickstart industrialization on a tiny island, which is no ways comparable to industrializing a continental country with hundreds of millions devastated by war, by itself, in a transition from an agrarian economy

not to mention PRC is actually sovereign and has its own tech stack

>>18442211
Zheng He's fleet was larger, and much more advanced than any European vessel at the time

> And Europe was already ahead of China by his time.
proof? by which metrics do you make this claim, if by seafaring technology clearly not, one Treasure Ship is many times larger than the largest European vessel at the time, which requires much more advanced structural engineering

>>18442217
You dont know what you're talking about.
Zheng He's ships might be larger (there's no evidence of his ships) but it was technologically inferior to European ships and incapable to travelling in oceans.
Not to mention his considerable logistical problems that made the emperor cancelled the whole thing.
Go study some more there's no point in talking with low iq people who can't into nuance. You think a big fleet means he's going to reach the Americas eventually?

>>18441556
I'm rooting for chinks but it'll probably be westoids unfortunately. they'll force everyone to live under anarcho-tyranny as an atomized tranny freak, it is what it is.

>>18442224
Few people notice this but Chinks are more influenced by the West than the other way around and they're still catching up.
The only way they're going to replace western hegemony is to become westernized like Taiwan but it isn't going to happen, especially when they have a communist government.
The only people who glaze them are anti-western third worlders that can't comprehend that China is strong thanks to its copying of the west

>>18442221
Europeans had crossed the Atlantic by the end of the 15th century. Again, with a more sophisticated math and science/philosophy tradition, and art like Michaelangelo. Century after that Europe has Galileo, Kepler, Cardano, Descartes, Newton, Leibiniz etc. It really is not close by this point.
>>18442224
Why do you think the West will win? The people are completely domesticated and neutered, and are rapidly going extinct and being replaced in their own homelands

>>18442230
Europeans crossed the Atlantic in the 10th century with Lief Erikson.
In any case the Atlantic is easier for Europeans to cross it because geography.
They say Europe had a headstart because of the colonization of the Americas but they don't realize that large swathe of Asian and Africa are still unexplored and uninhabited (Siberia, Manchuria, Hokkaido, Taiwan, South East Asia, Australia, Inner Africa, shit South Africa was literally uninhabited by Bantus when the the Dutch came). I get that they couldnt find the Americas but why didn't they explore that empty land right next door?

>>18442221
>>18442229

Nope the American Founding Fathers was hugely influenced by Chinese political philosophy, they had a portrait of Confucius

The very concept of the modern technocratic state is derivative of a long Eastern tradition by the time Europe was industrializing

West is becoming more authoritarian and state-driven rather than the other way around with China becoming more democratic and "free", as it apes China in order to compete with it

China is strong because it's made up of many Chinese and is heir to thousands of years of civilization, not "copying of the West", which is played out at this point, and in the process of paying back its Faustian bargain (industrial revolution)

We try to learn the good things of others and discard the bad things; it's really that simple

"copy" is a Western cope

>>18442221
Having a larger ship literally makes it easier to sail the ocean Mr. Kanger

>>18442236
None of that is empty, and empty land doesn't mean it's suitable for capital extraction

The New World was a huge boon for Europe: Gold, Silver, Food, Sugar, Cotton, Timber, Tobacco, etc. that funded industrialization in Europe

You played to win and got lucky, I'll give you that, but what we're seeing now is a return to actual skill levels

>>18442259
Learn to appreciate free real estate.
North America, Australia, the Middle Eastern desert, the Southern American cone, Siberia didnt have spices or crops. But who's laughing now? Many of those lands were in reach to you.
Shit even increased agriculture and more living space is a good enough excuse to explore. Orientals live densely packed hives and feel nothing.
Also the Japs and the free Chinas got their flowers already, Westerners dont feel anything towards you. Just be more normal instead of following some crazy communist dictatorship/feminist cult.

>>18442250
This conversation is really not very interesting. It is obvious Europeans accomplished 100x more historically, across every single domain. You are typing in a European language, using a European technology, that was developed via European science and math.
And I say this as someone who thinks the West is done for, and China will thus inherit the mantle. I'm just saying have some humility and admit the obvious.

>>18442265
Japan overextended too hard and was defeated on the battlefield

Nowadays Japan and "free" Chinas are not free in the truest sense of the word, because they are not sovereign

Siberia is a frozen wasteland, there's nothing to grow there before modernity

Middle East is populated already

Americas = New World, so is Australia, which as I mentioned already could've been settled by Zheng He

The whole point I'm trying to make is that the industrial revolution happening to West first was an anomaly, and if we were to re-roll the dice, it very well could've been the East first, although I'm not taking anything away there, as I said, you "played to win", but game is not over yet

>>18442217
The burden of proof is on you. You said Chinese's junk are the most advanced and could have sailed the Americas.
The quality of western ships and their accomplishment is already well-known and they actually exist in full detail. THere's no need to for me to explain to you.
Meanwhile there's literally no evidence of Zheng He's ship. Even modern Chinese academic are questioning its authenticity because its size is impossible.

>>18442267
I'm not saying the West is done for, it'll always be ahead of everyone else, and yes it did contribute much, but I think 100x more is overstating it when comparing it to the East, especially when you consider that without the compass, paper, printing, gunpowder, it never would've reached that point

There is also the case of ancient Greek/Roman knowledge being transmitted back to the West from the Near-East, without which the West would not have undergone the Renaissance after its dark age, along with the Islamic world's own innovations that were influential

>>18442272
Size is impossible, only for Europeans at the time

Proof is well-documented, there is physical evidence in the form of an excavated rudder post 11m long

https://mingdynastyhistory.com/longjiang-shipyard-technical-secrets/

>>18442274
Oops mean to say ahead of everyone else, except for the Orient*

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>>18442275
It's funny the article starts by attempting to denigrate Europe. It can't just stand alone on its own merits. When Europeans talk of European achievement there is no need to mention China or the Near-East since it stands on its own. The inferiority complex reeks through.
>>18442277
Well, you'd be wrong with that correction. At least you admitted Europeans accomplished far more. And also, Greek is the oldest continuously spoken written language.

>>18442282
It's written in English my man, for an English audience that presumably is familiar with history from a Western perspective, not that serious, this isn't an exercise in psychoanalysis

Also see >>18442198, clearly not politically speaking, it took Europe almost 2000 more years until they reached a non-feudal state

Ancient Greek is also different from Modern Greek

Average Chinese high school grad can read Confucius in the original exactly as it was written

As far as I was aware, the average Western citizen cannot

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>>18442275
>Internet blog
>All using AI pics, No real picture
>Nothing physical
Why were there so little evidence of a thousand strong fleet of huge 100m+ ships?
Evidence of the ships aside, where are the evidence of the huge dockyards and remains of tools, crews, bookkeeping records needed to build these ships?
Why couldnt China build ships like that again if it had built it during the Ming?
It's the 16th century but there are so little evidence it's like the ships were from 2000 BC.
You literally can not find a picture Zheng He's ship without it being an illustration or a AI generated picture.
Meanwhile, Khufu's boat of 45m are still around today.

>>18442288
Bro stop nitpicking, this is well documented, here's another link from a random search, you can even do it yourself

https://archive.archaeology.org/0803/abstracts/zhenghe.html

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>>18442289
I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm not well versed in this so I default to LLMs, and it tells me this

It's going to be Europe with a EU incarnation, the old superpowers are collapsing on themselves, and they will take the mantle.

>>18442010
>Far right and anti-immigrants constantly scream about them and and frequently speak racist rhetoric about them.
No shit. They're replacing us and they're quite criminal (muslims possibly even more so than newly immigrated christian africans). I'm one of the screamers. But a realistic assessment shows that muslim states, starting with turkey and iran but also most of the arabs, are more functional than black africa. Latin americans too.
> I definitely know you're from Latin America or some diaspora.
I'm german and somewhat autistic (but I repeat myself) so I really don't see why you think that.
>>18442013
>the average human quality will get so much lower
Yes. But the remaining high IQ people will not be much less productive and the economy will still be able to compete.

>>18441550
Given birthrates the Muslims would have to truly screw up to lose, otherwise their victory is inevitable

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>>18441550
MARCH OF THE TITANS

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>>18443127
part 2

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>>18443136
part 3
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>>18441550
Whole Western Hemisphere as an American-led unattackable Technate fortress that builds, extracts, and sells shit to the rest of the world.

>>18442132
>1300 - today
1500 at the earliest. And frankly you could slide the date forwards into the 18th century. To the 19th century if you want to be truly daring.

>>18441550
Why is Japan its own thing and not Sinic.

>>18441550
African's when they rediscover their lost Wakandan Kangdom technology.

>>18441550
Western, as we see today.

>>18442132
>1300 - today was Europe
1500-1945/91 depending on who you count as Europe

I forsee emerging, as a Chinese person , I must full disclosure, a new system is built upon organic scientism.

My ideology and a current I see in some circles transcends 19th-century dialectical materialism and 20th-century neoliberal individualism, viewing human civilization as a thermodynamic information processing system existing within the boundaries of a planet. Its fundamental unit is not the individual, nation, or class, but the connection between humans and the ecosystem, recognizing the inextricable link between human prosperity and ecological integrity.

The second law of thermodynamics applies to social systems—all human activity increases entropy; our goal is to maximize beneficial complexity (knowledge, culture, ecosystem resilience) while minimizing harmful entropy (pollution, waste, social disorder). Every policy is assessed for its systemic impact through an "entropy budget."

Cognitive pluralism—different problem-solving models (analytical, intuitive, systemic, relational) are all valuable. No single culture or cognitive style should dominate governance. Decision-making bodies must include representatives from diverse cognitive styles and knowledge traditions (indigenous, Eastern, Western, African).

Decisions are made by a committee that uses AI-enhanced predictive systems to map policy consequences, with time perspectives provided by the council of elders and business guilds. Minority groups can prevent policies from being implemented by proving their harmfulness through empirical research. Physicists, poets, farmers, and shamans collaborate in policy design, which requires validation through science, experience, and traditional knowledge. We aim to transcend Western binary thinking and establish a new system that integrates dialectics, circular reasoning, and relational epistemology.

This philosophy prioritizes prosperity over growth, measuring success not by accumulation, but by the creation of vitality, resilience, and meaning.