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what did USSR/second world countries do to become reviled by the first world from 1940 until now? I have only read about meme assassinations or power plays that KGB did against the west. But, America never has seemed to admit an actual defeat to Russia et al. However, in education material everyone echoes the threat that Russia is watching. Is this just fear monging and that the America CIA will team kill anyone who doesn't play ball with their cold war radicalization narrative?

What prompted this question is watching some movies, and the main villain is always some how related to Russia.
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>>18442243
because America and Russia are, in many respects, quite similar countries.
https://archive.org/details/americasetfree0000herm
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>>18442251
99% are hedonist slave niggers to KGB propaganda?

I guess that makes sense. I've never seen pictures of 500 pound russians shopping at russia-walmart.
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>>18442243
Competing geopolitical interests, that's all. There's nothing special about Russia or anyone else other than the them being at the right place and time to have the power to dispute US interests in some areas and push for their own interests in them. This shit has been observed since the fucking Greek golden age, Power A and Power B want something and they fight over it, just how it is.
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>>18442281
I've never heard of any actual cold war power plays. In school they only mention the space race, the olympics as a great symbol of national power at how big athletic americans are than russians, etc.

There is no public information like:
- 1965 russian operatives sabotage hambuger plant in kansas
- 1975 russian molemen manipulate hamburger stock market for political opportunity

On the other hand, there are lots of publications about russian's killing russian dissidents for being minorities or anti facist.
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>>18442294
you're not meant to hear about it. Russian archivists aren't gonna be publicly releasing any knowledge about shit like that until like the year 2100, if at all.
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>>18442294
That's cause you're a lazy dumbass then, all this stuff is freely available in many different books, academic articles, etc. which are published in mainstream stores, publicly accessible libraries, open web accessible piracy sites, student access journals, etc...
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>>18442273
too much time spent waiting in lines for bread to get that fat.
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>>18442243
There is fear mongering sure, but the main theatre of the Cold War was Europe which was divided roughly down the middle. Imagine if there was an anti-American uprising in Italy, France, or the Netherlands in the 1950s which precipitated an American military invasion, and then American troops killed several thousand people in street fighting in the middle of Paris like it was Team America. You think that would create some bad feelings towards America? That actually happened in Hungary with the Russians in 1956, and it kicked off anticommunist riots in Western European cities where crowds stormed communist party offices and lit them on fire. Hundreds of thousand of Hungarians fled to the west. This pic isn't from WWII it's from 1956. That also really did a number on the memberships of Western European communist parties which saw large percentages of their memberships quitting.

It tapped into older fears in Europe about the Russians to the east. The U.S. is on the other side of the Atlantic. Also if you go back to 1848, that was like the European equivalent of the Arab Spring where there were a bunch of revolutionary nationalist movements (including in France) that threatened the old order, but it was Russia which arrived as the external force which restored control by marching armies into the Austrian Empire to put down the revolution against Habsburg rule. The winning party in the election in Hungary recently had some LARPing as Hungarian revolutionaries from 1848 so there is some deeply emotional cultural DNA there which gets bound up in pushing out the Russians:
https://youtu.be/SJhZdcrob_I
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>>18442243
They were commies and capitalists didn't want their plebs getting any ideas.
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>>18442300
Please, the Soviet Archives were cracked wide open in 91' and basically everything turned out to be projection by the U.S. Sure they did some unpretty things like all great powers do, but they had no real program of constant infiltration and sabotage of America like the Americans did for them.
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>>18443359
>Sure they did some unpretty things like all great powers do
The Soviets were deeply unpopular rulers in their part of Europe. Small groups of people who the Soviets felt were reliable were installed in power and when these small groups of people began to waver under the influence of their own people's wishes, the Soviets came in, crushed them with military force, and installed new leaders. The house of cards collapsed once the threat of Soviet intervention was gone, or at least highly questionable.
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>>18443359
>Please, the Soviet Archives were cracked wide open in 91'
Only parts of the archives.
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>>18442243
>>18443359
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFhjNaHcmag
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>>18442294
That's intiligence/counter intiligence. Everything that is connected to that NKVD, KGB, border guards (they were under KGB command) their Russian archieves are still classified. Russians for a time opened WWII military archieves of units combat logs, but when doing that recon units logs remained classified.
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>>18443751
>recon units logs remained classified
qrd?
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>>18443752
Recon units were under parallel command of NKVD.

Fun fact: after war in Soviet Union had confidential list for journalists and writers, list of information that can and can't be published.
That included prohibition of publishing info that Soviet recon units dressed in enemy uniforms.
Information that partisans dressed in enemy uniforms was allowed to be published.
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>>18443757
Couldn't they just handwave it in hindsight?
>"Yeah we dressed in enemy uniforms but we were fighting NAZIS"
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>>18443590
>deeply unpopular rulers in their part of Europe
It's a big place. Only a few countries, i.e. Hungary pushed back against the Soviets and even after some concessions the population stopped caring.
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>>18443760
First it's war crime.
Second it puts questionable light on stories about "Nazis death squads exterminating Soviet civilians".
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>>18443790
I get it sure but if even the apparatchiks that sent people to gulags got off scot free in the '90s its surprising to think they'd be concerned anyone would care about anti-nazi war crimes
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>>18443764
>even after some concessions
You mean literal Soviet tanks.
As threat of Soviet tanks went away Warsaw Pact immediately collapsed
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>>18443793
Yes, the tanks came first, protests/riots were suppressed, then Moscow realized that it had to make concessions. That's what happened in Hungary (Kádár era), people cooled down.
The Warsaw Pact collapsed because of economic stagnation. The tanks were irrelevant because it was the local party bosses everywhere in the WP that wanted things to change so Moscow had no choice.
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>>18443359
>Soviet Archives were cracked wide open in 91'
I don't know for other countries, but in Russia they were closed in 1995. Only country that kept Soviet archives opened is Ukraine.
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>>18442281
Probably this, America has shown itself to be highly ideologically flexible with foreign policy with the only consistent factor being who's willing to work with it



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