>For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.Why aren't you following the Law of Moses perfectly?>Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you workers of lawlessness!’
>>18442660Paul came along and retconned everything. But hey that includes the "new covenant" bogus too, without Paul jews would have remained the exclusive chosen group even in the Jesus sect
>>18442666The Law is a blessing. The gentiles follow it because it is good, not because they get to be 'chosen'
>>18442660Pauline Christianity is designed to force Christians into Hell with their Antichrist Paul.
>>18442692Good. Jesus is probably the one reason the Jews kept the faith, because their only association with idolatry is him now.
>>18442660Why are his eyes so assymetric here?
>>18442702Do you really not know why? Are you just now seeing that he has two natures.
>>18442702Some Egyptian brownoid suffering from ketoacidosis painted it on a cave wall in the dark.
>But when I saw that they were not acting consistently with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a gentile and not like a Jew, how can you compel the gentiles to live like Jews?” (Galatians 2:14)>If you, though a Jew, live like a gentile and not like a JewWeird thing for Paul to say to Peter if the Jesus movement as it existed without Paul wasn't already doing away with the much of the Jewish law.
>>18442720>For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group.Peter was a slacker.
>>18442660The laws of moses explicitly apply to jews. My ancestors didn't leave egypt, they were drinking apple cider and farming the fertile universal soil.
>>18442729>he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision groupImplying he didn't belong to the circumcision group. And if we're quoting Matthew like OP, about whom is it said >And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”Are the vague group "certain men from James" referred to there? No, it's Peter, the disciple who evidently wasn't of the circumcision group.
>>18442753Evidently he did, and he was a sinful hypocrite. Just like in the Gospel of Matthew.
>>18442666No he says that the law is needed but mercy and forgiveness is more important. Which it says in the gospel too
Where does this paul changed Christianity thing come from anyways
>>18442821My guess is muslims, lately: https://www.reddit.com/r/islam/comments/13gng5e/thoughts_on_paul_the_apostle/
>>18442821From reading what Jesus says and then reading what Paul says and concluding that they are contradicting each other.
>>18442830Muslims will say the Torah is divinely revealed and then go kiss a bethel.
His followers died before he returned his prophecies were wrong
>>18442832Give an example please
>>18442837>Jesus: Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols.>Paul: But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.
>>18442832>>18442830Nothing he says contradicts what jesus said. He calls out people multiple times for being to strict with the law of moses and says he desires mercy multiple times. Thats the whole point of the good Samaritan story
>>18442842No, he says that you should follow all of the Law. Again, you are confusing your opinion of Jesus with his words.>“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.>Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
>>18442840The first one is from revelations where he is warning one of the churches of Asia minor about their sins and corruption and the other is about people that are too hard on themselves and not showing mercy to themselves and for others in the church to be kind and merciful to them>>18442845That's literally what I said
You didn't say anything. Mercy does not mean you can ignore the Law and say it's obsolete. And again, his message in Revelation is explicitly saying that eating meat polluted by idols is forbidden, and to say otherwise is to sin. He says that even to teach against even the least of the commandments of the Law is to sin, and to merit punishment.
>>18442666>>18442777666 and 777 in the same thread
>>18442854No he was warning about a priestess that was having orgies in the church spreading gnostic bs. Paul's epistisles and for people that are in the faith but struggling with keeping the narrow path. Demons want to drive you into the extremes either thats not worshipping christ or making you a pharisee and either being cruel to others or to yourself sending you into a tail spin
>>18442840Jesus in Mark 8:18-21:>He said to them, “So, are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile, since it enters not the heart but the stomach and goes out into the sewer?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.) And he said, “It is what comes out of a person that defiles. For it is from within, from the human heart, that evil intentions come: sexual immorality, theft, murder...So to the extent that there's internal disagreement in the new testament, it's arguably Jesus and Paul vs Jesus, not just Paul vs Jesus.
>>18442866No, he was explicitly speaking about eating food polluted by idols. The Holy Spirit likewise confirms this because the Apostles all agreed in Jerusalem to teach the gentiles not to eat such food. And you speak truly, he was also speaking of other sins, but to deny this is to say that Jesus was not clear. He is always clear. The reason why you do this is because you are desperate to cling onto the teachings of Paul, who was a false prophet. And remember, most of the arguments that Pauline Christians make about not following the Law of Moses is that his death on the cross abolished it. But as we see, Jesus appears to John of Patmos in a vision decades later to explicitly condemn lawlessness. There is no excuse.
>>18442871Notice the parentheses? That means that it was added onto the text, and in the margins, rather than in the text itself. It's an interpretation of his words.
>>18442872Go find a study Bible it talks about how she was related to a specific heresy
>>18442877A study Bible which is explicitly Pauline. The text itself is clear. He says not to eat food polluted by idols, that is what he is referring to. You are denying what your own eyes see to uphold a lie. Do you not understand the problem with this? The Apostles commanded the gentiles not to eat meat polluted by idols, and that is what they are supposed to do. It's not a metaphor, that's the truth.
>>18442876Since parentheses weren't used in the originalbGreek, I looked into this, and it turns out that taking it as a parenthetical comment from the author or perhaps a scribe is a choice by some translators, but other translators see it as part of what Jesus said, like the KJV, which interprets him as saying:>Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?I guess it goes to show how much difference choice of translation can make.
>>18442883Again Paul is talking about people that are tail spinning and not showing themselves mercy. Revelations is talking about a specific church in a specific place
>>18442907Showing yourself mercy isn't disregarding the law. Its not beating yourself up and getting up again to try again
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>>18442660The Law is good. We also have to take into account that the apostles saw fit not to require gentile believers to follow all of it. I think it's good to study it and follow it, but not as a weighty burden. It is, after all, what is right. But doing the right thing just because the book says without realizing why can lead to you doing it in the wrong way.
>>18442692Paul's really deep. You don't get it. You should get baptized so you can understand.
>>18442854Think of taking a right on red. Every situation requires its own judgment.
>>18442660Well the Christian retort is that when he said that he didn't mean all of mosaic law.>>18442702It was sdeliberately painted that way to both allude to his dual divine/human nature and also to his roles as saviour and judge who will bring about the end of time. I think it's very artful.Ignore the faggot chastising you. >>18442821Well it comes from several sources. But the most numerous group with this opinion are the muslims.But there have been others who came to that opinion largely independently. Some of them were Christian but not conventionally. I'm talking about people like Tolstoy and Thomas Jefferson.
>>18442689Nobody knows what it means to be "chosen". They think it means privileged and they get angry because it hurts their pride.Christians are the new chosen people and it means getting crucified. It meant that before, too.
