When is it going to adopt market socialism?
>>18443901Never because the establishment is addicted to repression out of necessity and out of fear.
>We shouldn’t put on colored glasses, and provoke people or find fault with them for allegedly supporting capitalist methodsKim Jong Un, December 2011, on tolerating advocates for economic reform.>Those who dispute the Party line and its policies should not have their leaves trimmed, but be ripped out at their roots Kim Jong Un, September 2012, referring to those who wanted to take economic reform further than he did.China and Vietnam were able to reform to market economy while retaining the authority of the party, but they were both under 15% industrialized. USSR attempted to reform when they already had a fully developed economy, although Gorbachev went about it in a retarded way where he paired it with other reforms that doomed it. I'm not sure specifically how developed Korea's economy is, or how stable their government is, so it's possible Kim began his market reforms and then saw things spinning out of control and cracked down again.
>>18443901They aren't going to adopt any economic system at this point. Communism is just an aesthetic for them, they basically have no economy, they don't need one because China just feeds them gibs out of obligation
>>18443901Why would they do that? The current system works fine and they have nukes.
>>18444007>Out of obligation North Korea does Pakistani style suicidal diplomacy where they demand gibs because the alternative is that they become a failed state and create huge security issues for everyone surrounding them. They have no traditional allies.
>>18444009>They have no traditional allies.China?
>>18444425China arguably has closer ties with the US in-spite of recent anti-Chinese rhetoric than they do with North Korea
>>18443901>When is it going to adopt market socialism?I would have thought the current dictator (grandson of the first) would see the writing on the wall and drop the retardation but he doubled-down on it and apparently is setting up his daughter to eventually take over from him.
>>18444433>>18444425North Korea real allies are Japan and Russia
>>18444434yeah why don't they open up and make deals with the west to denuclearize like *checks notes* iran
Juche is the ideal form of government and I can only pray to Marx it spreads globally...
>>18444008plus canabbis is not even classified as a drug
>>18444592>dude WEEDlmao if you think you're getting stoned in nk
>>18444599you can, also a couple of stiff drinks as wellas long as you have the proper haircut
>>18444639Korea has no marijuana culture. East Asians in general don't like that shit. Even Japan, the cool Asians, won't partake.
>>18444434i fear a female ruler will ruin north korea... she is the one thay will probably liberalize....
>>18444652I went to NK in 2017 and saw farmers smoking marijuana
>>18444639In America these are the ONLY haircuts you are allowed to have!
>>18444652It's entirely a modern development, East Asians traditionally cultivated hemp for textiles/oil and also used it as medicine/ritual drug. As the other anon noted farmers in rural areas still smoke it, they just don't brag about it.
>>18444652East Asians were thoroughly soured on any form of recreational drug after seeing the opium epidemic that Britain inflicted on China. It went from being a vice only a few wealthy people could indulge in to being a scourge that destroyed whole societies. Britain flooded China with cheap opium and the result was the unraveling of social fabric.Now, obviously, marijuana is not opium. It's not even close to the same level of narcotic, it doesn't do the same kind of damage to society even if totally unregulated. But to the East Asians, they see it as the same kind of thing. It's a "foreign drug" pushed by foreign nations who control its supply, who profit off its proliferation, and it doesn't serve any noble social purpose, it's a recreational drug for getting stoned without the cultural gravitas of alcohol.
>>18443901North Korea is one of those countries that could be so easily fixed. If they just adopted Dengist market socialist economics and diplomacy, it could easily become a Korean Vietnam in economic growth. Imagine two Koreas competiting with each other with left and right leaning market economies. It would be kino.
>>18444652Places like Kyoto have an underground weed culture, but for the most part the illicit drug of choice for Japan seems to be Meth, especially in more rural communitiesFrom stories I've heard it's not too difficult for college students in China to get their hands on weed tooThe person talking about weed and Korea is actually retarded though but what else can you expect from the sheltered retards on this board?
>>18444783>it's a recreational drug for getting stoned without the cultural gravitas of alcohol.If it was universally legalized and just as widespread it would almost certainly have more cultural gravitas than alcohol does
>>18444652American introduced hardcore anti-MJ laws in Japan and Korea.>>18444783>But to the East Asians, they see it as the same kind of thing. It's a "foreign drug" pushed by foreign nations who control its supply, who profit off its proliferation,Sativa actually was domesticated in China or about near Tibet and spread everywhere. Also they do have a homegrowing scene alongside various wild and Dutch weed strains to tap into on the down low.
>>18444933>American introduced hardcore anti-MJ laws in Japan and Korea.I'm talking about both Koreas, Korean society in general. East Asians, especially Koreans are far more interested in alcohol than weed.
>>18444937>East Asians, especially Koreans are far more interested in alcohol than weed.It's easier to ferment alcohol than it is to cultivate weed. That's really the only reason, not saying cultivating weed is particularly hard but you can literally ferment something into alcohol by complete accident. That's the reason alcohol is universally widespread everywhere, it's difficult to regulate because of its ubiquity and how relatively ease to produce. The Ancient Greeks talked extensively about how the Ancient Scythians would burn marijuana on hot stones in tents and get high and dance and sing songs around them but the Greeks weren't ready to ditch wine for it because wine could be made with grapes after a week of fermentation whereas Cannabis still needed to be imported from its native homeland of modern-day Northern India and Pakistan
>>18444873They have Special Economic Zones but they haven't gone beyond that. My guess is that Kim is worried about running into the problem the USSR did where the current system is too entrenched, and changing to markets would mean pissing off important interest groups. Deng style reforms worked in China and Vietnam when their economies were under 15% industrialized. North Korea is over 50% industrialized.
>>18444937>Korean society in general.>East Asians, especially Koreans are far more interested in alcohol than weed.That's after the fact of heavy anti drug laws. That and they all moved to stuff like Ket.
>>18444952>North Korea is over 50% industrializeAll thanks to superior nippon influence.
>>18444947>It's easier to ferment alcohol than it is to cultivate weed.>cultivate>weedanon, think about those wordscannabis is a literal weed, it grows regardless of whether you want it to or not Unless it's a literal desert or the artic it will grow there.>but it's not the right concentrate/strength/thc ratio etcDoesn't matter, same applies to alcohol. If you ferment coca-cola for example it becomes around 14% ABV, 28 proof. Too strong to be a session drink, too weak to be a spirit, and the wrong flavor profile to be a wine, so both substances need about the same level of effort to get to the correct strength.Cannabis grows naturally in Greece and both Koreas, btw.
>>18444952>They have Special Economic Zones but they haven't gone beyond that. My dream has always been to visit the Imperial Hotel and Casino in Raison economic zone. It is the only place in North Korea where you can watch porn - it is legally Hong Kong soil so HK laws are enforced there.
>>18444960>Doesn't matter, same applies to alcohol.No, it literally doesn't, fermenting and distilling alcohol is in no way comparable to crossbreeding weed strains to maximize their THC content
>>18444960>Cannabis grows naturally in Greece and both Koreas, btw.Don't forget Ruderalis in Russia and East Europe too.
>>18444960>cannabis is a literal weed"Weed" is not a real botanical classification you absolute dumbass. Cannabis is a flower
>>18444966>crossbreeding weed strains to maximize their THC contentOnly a trend that was pushed recently. That's like saying Beer started with it's current relatively alcoholic content. Back in days it was low enough to drink like water, in several parts of the world the common homebrew beer is still like that.
>>18444964>my dream is to go to north korea>so i can crank itwhat the fuckof all the things you could want to doyou could come up with a fantasy where you seduce the tour guide and fuck her in every room of the hotel you're not allowed to leave before leaving her pregnant with a white baby to explain away and instead you just want to wank to blacked on your own
>>18444975My relatives have only ever made homebrew so they can make it strong as fuck and get absolutely wasted on it
>>18444975>Back in days it was low enough to drink like waterAlcohol was often intentionally watered down into what is known as a "Small Beer" because it made water safer to drink in an age before proper water treatment in regions that didn't necessarily have access to clean drinking water, it was never brewed that way
>>18444971What did you get out of this? Weed can mean "plant that grows everywhere and covers everything" and cannabis flowers can literally grow every like dandelion, which people also call a weed.
>>18444982Back in the day it was very low. In certain places certain groups did make stronger brews but the the technology and procedures to make the modern did not exist back then.
>>18444960Sativa is not considered a high THC strain compared to strains like Indica, and was historically more useful as a source of hemp, especially since in the wild THC content can vary considerably. Also Sativa literally means "to cultivate" You are exceptionally retarded
>>18444952They never really committed to SEZs. Their use is extremely limited. North Korea is still essentually what China was in like the early 80s.
>>18444986No it wasn't. It's actually impressive how everything you're saying is wrong. How can you so confidently say anything about weed or alcohol when you don't actually know shit about either? Typical mead fermentation yield is around 10% without distilling. I even make my own homebrew batches, it doesn't require "technology" it just requires honey water and yeast, and no it doesn't require some super special strain of yeast either, and mead is a good example because it's believed to have been the first alcoholic beverage.
>>18444993Where do you live that honey is an affordable ingredient nowadays?It would probably be cheaper to just buy beer for me than to buy honey to make into mead.
>>18444999Mostly as a hobby and personal satisfaction than anything. I like beer too but there's something special about getting buzzed on a drink you made at home, to think anyone thought they could regulate this back in the 20s is pretty funny
>>18445001People were a lot dumber before the internet. If you wanted to know something you had to physically walk your ass to a library. Attention spans were a lot better though. What were we talking about again?
Weed edibles are literally the greatest thing ever made but they're just so expensive compared to alcohol, gathering concentrated THC oil is not exactly cheap, no wonder the ancients mostly just used it for hemp instead, it just made far more practical sense
>OP asked about market socialism in NK>thread went completely off the rails talking about alcohol and cannabisAt least it was fairly informative, since I know little about the production of either, let alone their history
>>18443903That's fake. North korea isn't poor.
>>18443901They already have. Look up jangmadang. Most of their companies also operate outside of the rationed economy. They've also set up their own SEZ.>"Jangmadang are North Korean local markets, farmers' markets, black markets and bazaars. Since the North Korean famine in the 1990s, they have formed a large informal economy, and the government has become more lenient towards them. However, merchants still face heavy regulations. A majority of North Koreans have become dependent on jangmadang for their survival">"The Rason Special Economic Zone, earlier called the Rajin-Sonbong Economic Special Zone, was established by the North Korean government at Rason, bordering China and Russia, in 1991 to promote economic growth through foreign investment. It is similar to the special economic zones of China and elsewhere, set up to pilot market economics in a designated controlled area. Foreign currency may be used in the zone. Chinese and Russian companies have invested in the special economic zone, and Mongolia joined in about 2013."
>>18446402These got cracked down on HARD during Covid.They never really liked them in the first place, it was just that people were literally dying of starvation during the famine and this was one of the few ways they were finding food. The lockdowns gave them the perfect opportunity to get rid of the thorn in their side they'd hated for so long without provoking the people who had got used to them.The SEZ aren't really SEZ in the Chinese sense, where the people could trade in Western goods. They're solely about bringing investment into the country from foreign companies, they don't change the lives of the people in any way.
>>18444434>>18444585A unified Korea would be a nuclear Korea.
>>18443901They already have limited private enterprise
>>18446407>it was just that people were literally dying of starvation during the famine and this was one of the few ways they were finding foodThis is what happened in China as well. Peasants started illegally decollectivizing because they were more worried about starvation than about being arrested. This was 1975, a year before Mao died. The commune leaders and eventually administrative division leaders became aware of this but also saw that it was very successful so they looked the other way. After Mao died the government started implementing it from the top down.
>>18447488Not heard about this. I thought China's main famine period was in the 50s.
