What Indo European gods are explicitly Indo European in origin aside from Zeus in BA Greece? not indo Europeanized, but explicitly Indo European- I would argue Hermes and a few others- Majority of Olympians are neolithic substrate gods.
>>18445155Poseidon is CLEARLY an Aryan God, because of his association with horses, which gave the Greeks the power to dominate the mediterranen sea just like their ancestors dominated the steppe.>Majority of Olympians are neolithic substrate godsNah. What the hell is Pontos then, if not exactly that? The Olympians are clearly Gods of the Aryan invaders, who succeeded the previous neolithic deities.
>>18445928>>18445713OP btfo There's more info? I m pretty Poseidon is 100% Indo-European at least in terms of etymology
>>18445942>pretty Poseidon is 100% Indo-European at least in terms of etymologyNo, it's not
>>18445946Sources?
>>18445950Your friend already failed in that thread trying Mars and Maruts, but we can expand on the Poseidon question.It starts with the fact that the intervocalic -h- is also not permitted in Greek words inherited from Proto-Indo-European, since the medial laryngeals either become vowels in Proto-Greek or disappear. You simply cannot deny this. Which forces me to conclude that Poseidon is a pre-Greek name, and any similarity to the root *poti- may be due to folk etymology and fusion with the inherited word. Before you cite it, let me say that *deh2 is, in fact, not strongly attested, and its existence in western Indo-European is mainly based on river names.
>>18445950He's interrupting because it takes a while to make a good post on this. Pay him no mind.
>>18445961You post is incoherent. You do not understand the linguistics. There is no issue with laryngeals involved in this word. You also seem to be conflating a Greek /h/ with a PIE laryngeal for some strange reason.
>>18445968>You do not understand the linguistics.You keep insisting the reconstruction should match your imagination rather than the comparative evidence. *déh2- is allowed to mean water or fluid in its descendants. Sorry, paco River terms are not interchangeable with sea terms and you ignore that they are verb-derived in nature, just like the *dh2eh- root. You know what? semantic overlap can be explained using 'water', but only in Jassic is this and nowhere else within the very large family it belongs too (Sanskrit 'dānu' specifically means drops of liquid, not 'water' itself.)
>>18445942>There's more info?No
>>18445155Athena is pre-aristos
>>18445971You've already made an elementary error. It's best if you just sit back and observe before running your mouth again.
>>18445994>u r wrong cuz u r wrong ok? > i m mister smartBtfo accepted, zurg
>>18446015Nothing to do with greek
1)We are not even certain whether -won is an actual prefix 2)*dawon may simply have been another word for something else3) won is post suffixing instead of ablaut, suggesting that is more pre-Greek than anything. Corinthian form Ποτειδάϝων has an alternate spelling Ποτσειδάϝων. That's a /ts/ sound, an affricate an you cannot derive that from PIE /t/. 4)the issue of intervocalic aspiration. A stray /h/ sound goes somewhere between in the word Poseidon
>>18445942What is the etymology of ⟨Poseidôn⟩? First, observe some dialectal variations:• Attic Ποσειδῶν• Ionic Ποσειδέων• Corinthian ΠοτειδάϝωνA Proto-Greek preform can be reconstructed based on this material:*potei̯-dā́u̯ōn*potei̯ is from πόσις < *Proto-Greek *pótis < PIE *pótis "master, ruler" but with a full-grade vowel in the suffix. Attic/Ionic Ποσει- show analogical transfer of -σ- from the assibilation *-ti- > -σι- in *pósis > πόσις.The element *-dā́u̯ōn is more interesting. A virtual PIE pre-form would be *déh2-u̯ōn. We may compare*də̆h2-u̯ér-ih2 > Δάειρα. These two words point to an earlier heteroclitic u̯r/n-stem, parallel with πίων and πίειρα.https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/p%C3%A9yh%E2%82%82wr%CC%A5This heteroclitic stem has wider Indo-European cognates. See PIE déh2nu "river".*déh2-u̯ōn is masculine*də̆h2-u̯ér-ih2 is feminine*déh2-nu is neuter with word-final metathesis in the zero-grade.⟨Poseidôn⟩ means "master/lord of the water/river".https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/18309889/#18312182More can be seen on the Indo-European background of Poseidôn in this paper:https://kait.repo.nii.ac.jp/record/110/files/kka-009-004.pdfThere are no formal or semantic difficulties. The etymology is straightforward and IE mythological parallels are present. Poseidôn is not particularly mysterious.
Prometheus, right? How motifs are present in the nart sagas and seem very very ancient
>>18446045>1)We are not even certain whether -won is an actual prefixSuch a suffix exists in Ancient Greek. There's no mystery.>3) won is post suffixing instead of ablaut, suggesting that is more pre-Greek than anything.Incoherent. Speak English.>Corinthian form Ποτειδάϝων has an alternate spelling Ποτσειδάϝων. That's a /ts/ sound, an affricate an you cannot derive that from PIE /t/.There is a regular assibilation process in PIE *pótis > πόσις. You are appealing to a random dialectal variant because you don't know Ancient Greek sound changes. An affricate is normal and expected here.>4)the issue of intervocalic aspiration.There is no such issue.
>>18446187>>18446199It's funny that you posted this same thread where we debated and you ended up running away, isn't it? Since you posted there, you gave me the freedom to do the same here.PIE there's is a more tenuous because some of the roots and possible have been substrate words after all. River is *h2ep or *dh2e and sea is *mori or *sh2el-. >pótisPoseidon should be po-si-sa-si or something, mainly considering how the proto Greeks may have inherited a more apt term for the sea.. see Neptune has the Latin epithet Salsipotēns.See tΠοhoιδᾱν (Pohoidan) basically makes *poti- unlikely as a root of Posei- in Poseidon Non-initial you couldn't back then on how Laconian still follows proto Greek sound changes, so we cannot just derive -h- from /t/, much less -ts-. *poti is a simple construction and the -t- here is intervocalic and the final phoneme is a vowel.Also, Debuccalization happened at the Proto-Greek
>>18446187Greek Danu?
>>18446286Dannu*
>>18446260>See tΠοhoιδᾱν (Pohoidan) basically makes *poti- unlikely as a root of Posei- in PoseidonComplete nonsense. Why are you appealing to dialectal variation you do not understand? There is nothing stopping *-s- > *-h- in a dialect. Dialects have their own rules.>Non-initial you couldn't back then on how Laconian still follows proto Greek sound changes, so we cannot just derive -h- from /t/, much less -ts-.Laconian follows Proto-Greek sound changes and its own dialectal sound changes. Where some dialects have intervocalic -s-, Laconian has -h- from further debuccalization. See pic.It's best to not pretend you've spent any time researching this or that you know anything about Greek sound changes and dialects.
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Where is the greek agni?
>>18446344Greek wordhagnē
>>18446366Wrong in many ways
>>18446303Not really
Dowden, K., & Livingstone, N. (Eds.). (2011). A companion to Greek mythology. John Wiley & Sons.https://www.academia.edu/7333850/A_Companion_to_Greek_Mythology
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>>18446469>>18446464>>18446462>eurocentric>academia.eduLol no
>>18446602You lost
