Post your historical truth nukes.>If the Byzantines are considered to be Roman then the Ottomans should be considered Roman too.
Byzantium's literally only claim to Rome is continuity. They were a complete ship of Theseus by 1453, there wasn't a single remaining original part. The Ottomans were a new ship altogether.Personally I'd say they became a Greek nation state in the 7th century and thus ceased to be Roman (culturally, ethnically, linguistically). They were no more Roman than Taiwan is the rightful owner of Mongolia.
>>18445268If the Ottoroaches converted out of Islam, adopted the title Emperor, Byzantified themselves or whatever, spoke Greek, and rename themselves as Demetrios instead of Dimanoglu then yes, they can be successors of the Byzantines and ergo Rome like Nomad Dynasties becoming Chinese.Except they didn't.
Tang's literally only claim to Han is continuity. They were a complete ship of Theseus by 618, there wasn't a single remaining original part. The Song were a new ship altogether.
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>Tang's literally only claim to Han is continuity. They were a complete ship of Theseus by 618, there wasn't a single remaining original part. The Song were a new ship altogether.
>>18445306The Byzantines didn't speak Latin or worship Roman gods, yet they are considered sucessors to Rome. Why should the Ottomans be forced?
>>18445303I think that’s an interesting way of framing it. I now feel inclined on going to one of the Byzaboo subreddits and asking them a ship of Theseus question. Based on their aggressive insistence that Byz is just Roman and shouldn’t be considered anything else, they’d almost certainly say the ship remains unchanged from the original.But you are right, aside from continuity of leadership, they eventually became as culturally, and linguistically distinct to classical Rome as the Barbarian kingdoms were.>inb4 b…but Marcus Aurelius spoke Greek!!!Yea and if Trump spoke fluent Spanish, the US wouldn’t automatically become an Hispanic nation…
>>18445306>nooo if you do all these things the byzantines didn't for no reason you have an equal claimgayreeks actually think this
>>18445268The world would've been a better place had the Persians won. Alexander knew this and tried doing the same.>In a posthumously published fragment, he deplores a lost historical opportunity: "It was much more fortunate if Persians became masters (Herr) of the Greeks, than the very Romans." (SW, 8/65) In this note Nietzsche reveals, once more, his radical opposition to the Greek metaphysical thought, as developed by Socrates and Plato, which later, by supremacy of the Greek culture inside the Roman Empire, became dominant and then integrated into the other-worldly, 'nihilistic', tenets of Christianity. While, in his view, the dominance of the positive outlooks of the Persians toward worldly life and time would have prevented the prevalence of such a sinister event in human history.
