I hate the argument that Christianity can’t be anti science because the church funded scientific discoveries The church funded science right up until new discoveries started to contradict what the church was teaching. After that we started getting things like the Index Librorum Prohibitorum and church funding of science fell out of fashion. And to you Protestants in the crowd snickering at the Catholics getting dunked on, you people are the ones responsible for Young Earth Creationism. Kent Hovind, Ken Ham, Eric Dubee, Ray Comfort, Kirk Cameron, The Discovery Institute, all Protestant. Quite frankly in recent years Protestants have by far been the biggest offenders of anti science activism.
>>18445494Look, you can use the scientific method to find out more cool stuff about universe, all we ask is that you not fuck men in the asses, OK? Think about the Amazing Atheist. So clever, right? Shoved a banana up his butthole on camera. What causes a man to do this to himself? I'll tell you: God's wrath.
>>18445494>you people are the ones responsible for Young Earth CreationismAtheism is responsible for the Ancient Astronaut Theory doebeit.
>>18445494Young earth creationism is biblical truth, the Science is a false god. Repent and believe
>>18445494Christianity is the machine that unplugs itself via science. So much for your Canaanite storm deity lol
>>18445499What does a Canannite storm god have to do with gay sex?
>>18445737Why does atheism entail you shoving a fruit up your rectum? You and the rest of your kind are just rebellious degenerates who have a seared conscience.
>>18445743But the Canaanite storm god Yahweh isn't real. Why base your life on the scriptures of a fictional character. At least you could make a secular argument about why gay sex is wrong, instead of Canaanite bronze age beliefs.
>>18445752His name is Jesus and he's real. And every secular argument rests on natural law, which is the very will of the God that I have just named. Why can't you just not shove a banana up your asshole? Don't you realize how utterly insane that is? You atheists will say that we are irrational, and then do something disgusting and degrading like that. You are possessed.
>>18445494You support chemically castrating people to "affirm" their mental illnesses and delusions.
>>18445759Archaeological data shows us that ancient Canaanites were polytheistic and that Yahweh was a storm and war god. Eventually this group morphed into ancient Jews and they replaced their polytheistic religion with a monotheistic one. Yahweh was elevated to the status of creator deity and all religious texts that mention the other gods of the Canaanite pantheon were rewritten to make Yahweh the protagonist. Jesus was an apocalyptic preacher that died with his cultists believing that he would return in their lifetimes and bring the end of the world. That obviously didn't happen.Again you can easily make secular arguments about why homosexuality is bad, such as increased disease vectors, domestic violence amongst lesbians, or lack of reproduction. But please don't bring in Canaanite storm god worship or reformed Canaanite apocalyptic scriptures as your arguments.
>>18445785I am in awe of God’s mercy that a hell bound reprobate like you can say so much nonsense and feel convinced of its power.
>>18445743Why does someone having gay sex cause you and your god mental damage? Stop thinking about other mens assholes and dicks, faggot.
>>18445854Unrighteous nations must be destroyed. God does this to spare the world of evil. By practicing sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance you collectively damn us.
>>18445797Oh no, I hope i don't get thrown into the magic pit in the middle of the flat disc we live on filled with magic lava. Or was it into the scary place of eternal darkness. Your mythology gets rewritten so often its hard to keep track.
>>18445868>He can't into the fifth dimensionKek. Filtered. Not only are you so damned, you are ignorant. I love you, but you won't listen to reason.
>>18445858>if some other guy who isn't me sticks his dick in another man's asshole god will kill meWow this sounds like an unjust, cruel schizo god.
>>18446542No, it's justice. No different than culling a herd.
>>18446550>you get punished for something that someone else did>this is justice
>>18446552>Population doesn't get vaccinated>Innocent people get sickJustice is when you realize that your sin will cause God's wrath to fall upon our nation and you repent.
>>18446557>some guy who isn't you does something>this means that you deserve to dieWhy should I worship a god like this?
>>18445499>What causes a man to do this to himself?>I'll tell you: God's wrath./thread>>18445494>hourly seething athiestard threadIt's all so tiresome.
>>18446559Do you somehow think you can escape God's wrath by simply pretending that He does not exist? Are you a child? He will destroy us all!
>>18446584>NOOOO HE'S HECKING REAL AND HE WILL THROW YOU IN MAGIC LAVA IF SOMEONE ELSE YOU DONT EVEN KNOW HAS SEX WITH ANOTHER MAN!!!Let me guess, you're brown? From a third world country?
>>18446590I'm Mexican, but I'm not brown. Mexico isn't really a third world country anymore either. Still, you persist in your sinful ways, and will damn us all.
>>18446592>im mexicanlol figured
>>18445743Most atheist countries (communist countries were inofficially state atheist) banned gay sex.
>>18446594You figured nothing.>>18446601So if they banned gay sex, why are you torturing your anus with a banana?
>>18446607Why are you so obsessed with gay sex? >I'm mexicanThat explains it you yourself are a huge mutt faggot.
>>18445494>you people are the ones responsible for Young Earth CreationismUh oh, scientism patrol is on the lose
>>18446615I'm not obsessed. You're the one shoving bananas up your anus online.
>>18445494It is an incredibly stretch to think the church funding or not funding science had even minimal effect on the progress of science.Do you think these top hat'd anglos would immediately cease their capital intensive industrial projects because the pope said "uh, me no likey this obscure piece of science me no give a bit of money, noo nooooo, that's a spicy a' meat 'a ball!"That was literally what you were imagining wasn't it?
>>18445494This board doesn't know what science is. It's just a catch all term for trannies and 2010s American neoliberalism.>>18445499>>18445743>>18445765Case in point>>18446592>Mexico isn't really a third world country anymore eitherKEK.
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>>18445494The bible says the earth is flat with a dome firmament. Jesus thought the earth was flat. The bible is not the word of God and Jesus was not God or the son of God. Christians are low IQ morons in a cult.
>>18445858The "unrighteous nations" are not only not being destroyed, but are thriving and increasing in power. So you're just blathering nonsense.>"b-but in the future they will be destroyed!"No, they won't.
>>18445494>The church funded science right up until new discoveries started to contradict what the church was teaching.i mean thats a long time lol. even recently its a catholic priest who came up with big bang theory
>>18445494this phenomenon has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with people treating modern ideologies and debates between them like team sports.You win modern debates by scoring the most points, and you score the most points by namedropping good or impressive things your team did. This is why its so important to chinese people to claim that they invented literally everything, because that means they score the most points and china numbah wun.Fundamentalist christianity is obviously anti-science at its core because it rejects materialism, which is all science is. The argument that you're contending with was never meant to illustrate that christianity is pro-science, or better at it than atheists or whatever else. It exists to go "my team got moar points dan ur team so I win hehe B)"
This thread is a perfect encapsulation of why you can't have a debate on religion on this site. Christtard schizos have gotten too comfortable here and endlessly seethe if you disagree with their nonsense like that one retard going on about some youtuber shoving a banana up his ass, so that means all athests do that?? Under that logic, then Christians are all pedophiles with all the child abuse scandals the Church tried to sweep under the rug
>>18447572No those are Catholics who aren’t real Christians. TJ Miller is an atheist who fucks his own anus with Cavendish bananas
>>18446627>Uh oh, scientism patrol is on the loseHistory is a social science. IF you reject that we can know geological, biological truths through observation we can hardly know historical ones either. This is a history board btw>>18447158The Council of Trent says Adam was real and biological death didn't exist before him and we all biologically descend from him, and Vatican I condemns reading the Old Testament as myth. It's tragic that 99% of Catholics are heretics by their own standards, its an absurd religion
>>18447609The Church develops its doctrine. I’m hopeful the scandal of the Gospel won’t cause the more bigoted men to leave once we ordain women.
>>18447619>The Church develops its doctrineDoctrinal development is formally announcing the Assumption of Mary as a dogma after thousands of years of pious belief in it. It is not saying death did not exist until 6k years ago and then turning around a few hundred years later and practically admitting you were wrong in your "infallible" declaration
>>18447619Kek. You are both atheists.
>>18447633Why are you making excuses for being backwards?>>18447638Calling me an unbeliever is a sin. I’d correct myself if I were you.
>>18447651>Why are you making excuses for being backwardsBecause orthodoxy is backwards. I'm not making excuses. Go read the canons of Trent, they say if you think bodily pain and death didn't come from Adam's sin you're excommunicated
>>18447661With the help of the Holy Spirit we evolved beyond that understanding
>>18447651>>18447664Trans rights for the Vatican hahaha
It's 2026, time for the Living Church to get on with the times and replace the Pontifical Hymn with "Imagine" by John Lennon.
>>18447664>With the help of the Holy Spirit we evolved beyond that understandingProtestant gobbledygook
>>18445785>scientists reevaluate claims after investigation indicates they may be mistaken>"omg so frickin zased, I heckin love science!!!!!!!">religious practicioners reevaluate beliefs after contemplation indicates they may be mistaken>"what the FUCK!!!!!! THIS PROVES IT'S ALL MADE UP!!!!!!"
>>18447695>religious practicioners reevaluate beliefs after contemplation indicates they may be mistakenThis only works if your a me and my Bible Christian where only your own persona interpretation matters. The Church is infallible, it cannot contradict itself
>>18447685The Catholic Church is a synodal church. We listen and we learn, and dialogue is how the Holy Spirit guides us.
>>18447705Yes and that synodal Church at an ecumenical council said that, under threat of excommunication, you must affirm we all come from Adam, death comes from Adam, and even physical pain comes from Adam. Catholicism is false. I wish it weren't, as a former traditional Catholic. But it simply contradicts itself and makes claims which we know aren't true
>>18447710May Jesus and Mary guide you to God. You embrace hatred and lies in your heart, I really hope God forgives you!!!
>>18447713If I need to be forgiven for saying Catholics have to believe in the infallible teachings of the Council of Trent, I hope God also forgives the fathers of Trent for leading me astray
Oh it's the guy who says the bible isn't the Word of God. It might be a falseflagger tbf
>>18447715They didn’t lead you astray. The Holy Spirit guides the Church. You should’ve just asked a priest instead of doing your own “research.” You’ve blasphemed the Holy Spirit. I’m afraid Jesus won’t forgive you. I hope He does!!!!
>>18447723>You should’ve just asked a priest instead of doing your own “research.”Yeah I think I trust the infallible Council of Trent about Catholic theology more than a random parish priest. And I spoke to dozens of priests on top of consulting the council anyway
>>18447727You sound arrogant! Maybe you should’ve listened to your priests! 12 tells me they all told you the same thing and it wasn’t satisfying! Now you may have irreparably damaged your connection to God, and for what? I’ll pray for you.
>>1844773212 priests tell me death and pain existed before the fall. The Council of Trent, according to Catholics an INFALLIBLE council, said they didn't exist before the fall. Which do you trust?
>>18447736The priests, who possess the Holy Spirit and perform the Sacraments. They know what God desires. You should return! Sunday is tomorrow. See if a priest can perform reconciliation for you.
>>18447743The priests don't have the charism of infallibility. An ecumenical council does. Priests can say whatever they want. A priest could tell you they don't believe in God. As a Catholic you don't trust individual men but the Church herself, who declares her infallible teachings at ecumenical councilsI don't know how to make it more clear. Ecumenical councils are infallible. Priests are not. An ecumenical council in catholic theology necessarily cannot be wrong. A priest can and often is
>>18447743>See if a priest can perform reconciliation for youAlso I literally cannot attend the sacraments under canon law because I was excommunicated by Trent for believing physical pain existed before Adam
>>18447748>>18447750This clearly isn’t about Trent. This is church hurt. What happened?
>>18447756>What happened?What happened was I spent my entire life hearing priests and theologians tell me that evolution as compatible with Catholicism just to discover an infallible ecumenical council excommunicated anyone who thinks we don't descend from Adam and that death and pain exist because of AdamWith such a relaxed view of excommunication and infallibility, do you thin someone who denies the divinity of Christ could be a Catholic in good standing?
>>18447762No, this is definitely church hurt. I want to actually know what happened. You keep saying it’s about some ancient council. Something happened. I don’t know what it is, but Jesus can heal your wounds.
>>18447768If you want to hear some torture porn about getting diddled by a priest or having an abusive ultra trad partner you'll be disappointed. The Church was nothing but good to me. In fact I deeply miss the Church. I didn't leave the Church out of personal grievance, I just came to find that I fundamentally disagreed with it's "infallible" teachings
>>18447774Why the fuck do you keep seriously replying to that guy? He's just messing with you.
>>18447774You can’t keep lying about what you went through. I know something happened. I know Jesus loves and misses you. It would be so wonderful if you came back to Mass. Remember the Gloria? Or the epiclesis??
>>18447776Shut up. Shut the fuck up!
>>18447776Because even though he's fucking with me, his final response that if you aren't Catholic you must have had some horrifying nightmare tragedy happen to you at the hands of a priest or your home school commune parent teachers reflects the thinking of genuine Catholics. They cannot fathom you that you recognize contradictions and errors in their worldview. No, it can't be that I'm wrong. My opponent must be a victim of the Church sex abuse scandal! Its psychotic and even though it comes off as a typical 4chan troll here, this is how many Catholics will actually respond to you irl when you give them impersonal reasons for why you left the faith. It would be as if you thought every Catholic was only Catholic because they were scared of hell instead of because they thought the religion was actually true>>18447781>Remember the Gloria?Yes I also remember the infallible dogmas of the Catholic faith. Please learn about your religion by reading the canons and dogmas of the Church instead of from YouTube comment sections under pop apologist channels. Good luck
>>18447790You wrote so much, and with so many accusations against me, it seems like you actually have something hidden. Maybe you didn’t leave because you were hurt, maybe… maybe you hurt someone else. Maybe you weren’t welcome. If you repent I think they will forgive you. Shame is not worth losing your soul.
>>18445785I've never found this argument to be particularly strong because obviously there had to be the first guy to think "oh okay maybe Yahweh is actually the capital G god and all those other guys are phonies" and then he had to convince a bunch of other people that that was true and then those guys had to convince enough people to the point where it became the dominant idea, and apparently at no point during these chain of events did it cause anyone to freak out and think their entire belief system was wrong, so I'm not sure why it should cause that reaction in a modern person
>>18447890For one, it completely contradicts the biblical narrative by showing that the Israelites weren't always monotheists and that they were just part of the Canaanites rather than outside conquerors.
>>18445494A Catholic priest invented the big bang and it was a seething atheist scientist who tried to discredit it throughout the 20th century (in fact the term “big bang” was actually coined by him to mock it)This shit wasn’t ancient times, it was very recent. Atheists couldn’t cope with the beginning of the universe matching genesis so they seethed at the idea until it was definitively proven by science, then they started coping that they always believed it.Same with Marxist anthropologists and cave art. In their mind religion and spirituality could not have possibly existed until people were tricked into following it during the agricultural revolution so they coped that this art was fabricated or from the Neolithic.
>>18447923This is true though.>God didn’t show up for billions of years until he revealed himself to an Iraqi schizo
>>18447695The difference is that Abrahamites pretend they were always monotheistic and were just temporarily led astray, when in reality their religion is polytheistic in origin.And this claim is made by a text that is invoked as an infallible and whose authority must not be questioned.
>>18445785Where is the proof for this?
Anti-science is not exclusive to Christianity, it's not even exclusive to religion. Most conspiracy theorists are irreligious but are nevertheless antiscience. In fact, being pro-science isn't even exclusive to atheism or irreligion, many scientists are religious and they acknowledge religious contradictions with real world observation but will nevertheless treat their faith like a hint of some greater nonphysical underpining of reality that goes beyond science
>>18447923>couldn’t cope with the beginning of the universe matching genesishow does the big bang theory match the genesis ? not even the church claims that
>>18445494yeah yeah Proverbs 21:30 Zionist the entire time etc.
>>18447923>Atheists couldn’t cope with the beginning of the universe matching genesiswhere does genesis say that the universe expanded out of a singularity
>>18445514Basically no one "worships" science, Mr Strawman.
>>18448053Careful, this is /his/. You're not allowed to make reasonable arguments here.
