P1: If God exists, he exists in all possible worlds.P2: God does not exist in all possible worlds.C: God does not exist.>But anon, how do you support P2? I think it's reasonable to accept P2 because I think we can come up with worlds that do not contain God and do not lead to any obvious contradictions. >Like what?Worlds that are not susceptible to the most promising arguments (cosmological, contingency, fine-tuning etc.). Usually simple worlds with no time or causality.>They lead to contradiction because God exists and they contradict that! That's assuming your conclusion.>But you're doing that too!No. If all possible worlds necessitated God for sensible reasons such as needing him as the start of their causal chain etc., I would conclude God exists.>But what about worlds that do need God to start their causal chain? Perhaps they only need something that is not quite God, i.e. does not exist in all possible worlds etc. Or perhaps this is an indication that the whole class of arguments for God which aim to show God is necessary for the existence of the world as we know it are altogether mistaken.>This makes me angry!Not my problem.
>>18445651Nope, no world can exist without God. You’ve already failed, dumbass. Your sophistry will not save you from the flames of hell.
>>18445654Already addressed in the op.
>>18445651P2 is false>for sensible reasonsI accept your concession
>>18445656Your reasoning is God turning your depraved mind to, as I said, sophistry. You are blind, and leading the other blind men into Gehenna. God will laugh at you as you scream and beg for mercy in the inferno, and none will come because you denied His existence.>But you said I was not real in your world! If I am not real, then I have not damned you. Pull yourself out of the flames!And you will struggle and writhe and cry, and no salvation will come. I’ll be there, watching you from Heaven. And I’ll laugh. This is your final warning.
>heh, but what if... I created a new world in my mind where oxygen isn't needed>take that, oxygen. In an imaginary world that exists only because I breathe you in real world, you don't exist. Ha!!!! Grow up
>uuhm, but about le hecking MULTIVERSE???????>checkmate, chrishuns
>christians can't into modal logicGod is not sending his strongest soldiers.
>>18445667>okay, god created this whole world and laws of reality >but... what if... he created a rock he couldn't lift, HUH
>>18445673Fitting name.
>>18445675>I am le... intelligent man >I post le philosophy book man>I am very smart, look at my theory>god cannot exist... because... I can think in my mind that he doesn't>heh, take that, Christians
>>18445681>There could be a god, so suddenly and for no reason he's jewish.
>>18445681Retard anon, you're missing something very important here. It's the theist who's claiming God has a superpower to exist in all possible worlds. If you think that's silly, take it up with him.
>>18445683>nooo, what do you mean a certain culture has managed to use language to gain an indepth understanding of reality and what is god and means>nooo, it can't be the ones I hate>it should be the vikongs with their based gods like Thor, the depictions in marvel movies represent me! Lol
>>18445651P1: foundationalism is a retarded half-measure in logic we take, only out of pure convenienceP2: theological arguments equating god to axioms reify foundationalism, not as a pragmatic concession, but as a genuine confusion and misunderstanding of how flawed it is as a structural logicC: you can just dismiss these retarded arguments by reminding the retards who use them of the above
>>18445651>p1: all possibilities are contemplable>p2: paraconsistent logic exists>c: logic can't be used to prove anything outside its minuscule boundaries
>>18445691Well read, he is...
These midwits will make a whole career out of saying nuh-uh just because a bunch of toddlers are desperate to have whatever the mainstream tells them is real be validated, no matter if its a bunch of retarded bullshit
>>18445721Hitchens loved smoking, and now his lungs are eternally inhaling the smoke of hellfire.
>>18445725Schizo retard
>>18445731Worthless unbeliever. You are merely fuel for the flames that God decided deserved to enjoy a few years on earth. I won’t question the Lord’s judgment, so I will simply say. Rejoice, God has given you life! This will be the only time you aren’t in agony.
>>18445734You do realize you're talking to a prophet, right?. You're gonna be mauled by modern shebears, enjoy. >But to the wicked God says:“What right have you to recite My statutesOr to take My covenant on your lips?17 For you hate instruction and disciplineAnd cast My words behind you [discarding them]."
>>18445721See how you can't address >>18445685? Typical.
>>18445742You are nothing. God damn you.
>>18445685>It's the theist who's claiming God has a superpower to exist in all possible worlds.You're saying its a claim but it's a fact of reality. The same way you can't say "there's humans who have lived while being dead" . Are you dense? Are you retarded?
>>18445748>Can't grasp basic logicYour name is fitting. If there is a God he must be laughing at you.
>>18445754>I am so frustrated I make up imaginary all powerful beings who take my side and make you sufferLol
>>18445758These are the people who say skydaddy unironically btw
>>18445758>>18445761>I have to deny what is evident to prove something to people while also calling myself a RetardHumiliation ritual
>>18445762>nooooo, you can't just ridicule my stupid thread, you have to get triggered! I refuted your beliefs with my logic and reasoning!!!!Yikes
>>18445766Retard
>>18445768>a bunch of letters on the internet surely will offend him Lol, so not only youre retarded but yojrr also mentally 5 years old. Lmao
>>18445748>You're saying its a claim but it's a fact of reality.It is a claim and the argument I wrote in the OP is simply using that claim. You threw a tantrum over "capeshit multiverse nonsense" when that same "nonsense" is baked into the definition of God under classical theism.You really want to eat your cake and have it too, huh?
>>18445774>the argumentYou call that an argument? 0/10. Dont see me after class, youre kicked out.
>>18445777It's two premises and a conclusion, i.e. an argument. You haven't actually raised any substantial objections against it, you're just flailing and saying smug shit in greentext.
>>18445782A. BananaB. AppleC. God exists Prove my argument wrong using my theory or god exists
>>18445787>P1: A>P1: B>C: C That is not a valid argument.
>>18445788Yes it is, retard A: bananas exist, they cnst come out of nowhereB: apples exist, they cant come out of nowhere C. God existsSee how retarded you are?, you need me to explain everything with many words... i cant imagine how difficult it would be for you to understand scientific concepts explained in abstract mathematics... truly a pitiful existence. No wonder youre an atheist.
>>18445791That is not a valid argument, anon. A valid argument is one where the conclusion follows from the premises. For instance, my argument takes this form:P1: A->BP2: ~BC: ~AThis is called modus tollens.I think you should study logic for a bit if you want to discuss arguments, retardbro.
>>18445796>A valid argument is one where the conclusion follows from the premises.Look at the shit you posted in opP1: If God exists, he exists in all possible worlds.P2: God does not exist in all possible worlds.Does it look like p2 follows p1?, retard. In how many ways do i have to dhow you how stupid you are hahahahha
>>18445801>Does it look like p2 follows p1?Neither P1 nor P2 is the conclusion, those are the premises. C follows from P1 and P2.
>>18445809Lol, this guy is so dense he doesnt even understand what he reads P1: humans need oxygen to live P2: dead humand dont need oxygen C: oxygen is not necessary for humanity (for they can exist as dead without it)Truly how stupid are you not to realize how dumb the things you're saying are?, is this really the best you can come up with? LolA: the sun is out during the dayB: the sun is not visible during the night C: the sun ceases to exist during nightime Lmaoooo
>>18445814Humans don’t need oxygen, they need air. Besides, it’s entirely possible to disable a man’s lungs and just run fresh blood through his body.
>>18445817>Humans don’t need oxygen, they need air.Hahahaahahahahahahahahaha
>>18445814>P1: humans need oxygen to live>P2: dead humand dont need oxygen>C: oxygen is not necessary for humanity (for they can exist as dead without it)This is not modus tollens, it's the following again:P1: AP2: BC: CSame for the other one. Anyway, I'm going for a walk. Try this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modus_tollens, maybe it will help (but it probably won't because you're <80IQ).
>>18445820Its alright, buddy. *some* first grade kids also think the sun ceases to exist during nighttime.
>>18445820>Genetic fallacy How are you even alive
>>18445821>>18445822Btw I know you're just baiting but I enjoyed the roleplay.
>>18445824>i was only pretending to be retardedLol
>>18445824I’m not joking, I am dead serious.
>>18445651Both atheism and agnosticism are naturalist positions thus not creationist positions. There are only 2 available ontological primitives for how the unvierse/existence arrived (naturalism or creationism), TRUE DICHOTOMY NO POSSIBLE 3RD POSITIONBoth atheism and agnosticism are positions of non-positions, the difference is agnostics say they dont have enough information to make the callBoth positions are still in contradiction with 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and quantum mechanicsThe existence of information is not matter nor energyAll information is traced back to an intelligent source>Creationism empirically and scientifically proven
>thread is a reverse plantinga >half the posts are a christfag getting filtered by the concept of a modus tollens argumentlmao /his/ truly is he most retarded board on the site
>>18445651None of this autofellatio philosophy lead to [insert your flavor] God they worship. My levitating penis that jizzed out your God also exist in some possible universe. Open the Bible and see for yourself how bullshit it all is. It's literally book of Mormon or Quran tier bs. They won't do that, rather cope with modal logic or whatever bullshit to protect their ego and comfort.
