>Jesus Christ was created by God and therefore necessarily dependent on HimHow is that wrong?
>>18445844If he’s not God you can’t worship him.
>>18445847Then maybe God alone should be worshipped
>>18445851Worshiping Jesus is based though. Imagine being a Jew or a Muslim with one measly god you can’t even see.
People confuse Jesus with Christ.Christ is in us all.Jesus was the first to realize Christ in him.You are also Christ, but you are not aware of it, and you did nothing or very little to realize that, while Jesus spent most of his life purifying his mind and heart so he could understand who he is.
>>18445844Santa Claus is gonna kick your ass
>>18445860Religion is not an aesthetic
>>18445873It absolutely is if you have a functioning brain and aren't brown. I love the rituals and the smells and the prayers and the images and acting like I am bound to a covenant. It makes my decisions more meaningful, and I like to align myself with my cultural heritage. You wouldn't get it though because being good is impossible for you outside of the threat of hell.
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>>18445875The aesthetic is not my basis of analysis because I'm not looking to larp as whatever looks coolest
>>18445885Again, if you had a brain you wouldn't even be asking these ridiculous questions. If God wanted the truth out and it was Arianism, it would have won against the Nicene Christians. But it didn't. If you want to worship a cube or a scroll feel free to convert to Islam or Judaism and leave civilized people out of it.
>>18445888So your answer was first that "it looks cooler so it must be true", then Nicene Christians won so they must be right. Thanks for your input
>>18445844If Jesus really is one and the same as God (John 10:30) and God inseminated the Virgin Mary (Matthew 1:18) then that means Jesus impregnated his own mother to give birth to himself in an act of magical incest. Disgusting.Arianism actually side-steps this problem but it also makes Jesus's divinity more ambiguous, hence why the Church condemned it so harshly.
>>18445893Yeah, God will always vindicate the true religion. You can deny that all you want, but if God didn't want people to believe in its message, then He would not let it flourish as it has. More good has been done by Nicene Christians than all the deeds of Jews and Muslims combined.
>>18445901Truth isn't dependent on popularity, but thanks for your contribution to this discussion. I'm not convinced by popularity-based arguments
>>18445906My contribution to this discussion is a wake-up call for you to stop chasing after shit that doesn't matter and apply your mind to what is important in life. Yes, there is a God, he is unseen, completely unified, and all-powerful. You can't negotiate or bargain with him, and everything you do is contingent on him empowering you to do it. This religion or that religion, it doesn't matter what you practice, but this chasing after the right denomination is going to drive you insane, and you will be just as mad as if you embraced a religion like Catholicism or Orthodoxy for the hell of it.
>>18445907Thanks for the wake-up call, I don't think I'll delete the thread though. Since this topic seems get you worked up, and you've completed your duty of giving me a wake-up call, you'd probably feel best if you muted this thread and find a less upsetting discussion
>>18445913You want to argue about why Arianism is correct. And yet God has shown that it is not correct. So what's the point of arguing about it? Go become a Muslim.
>>18445844OP, we've already had this thread 1000 times and every time you get BTFO
>>18445929I have literally never posted this thread before. Have you considered the possibility that more than 1 person is interested in this topic?
>>18445952Get a life dumbass
>>18445952I agree with the other poster. Get a fucking life and stop posting the exact same thread.
>>18445955>>18445959Feel free to hide this thread and get a life of your own
>>18446000you shit up our board constantly with Arianism threadsyou always get BTFO and then scurry away like the creep you are
>>18446008Never posted this thread before, if this topic upsets you just ignore it. Or if you want to sperg out, you can do it here I guess
>>18446011you have. did you even read athanasius or gregory nazianzus like we said to last time or do you make these posts to piss people off?
>>18446017Why don't you link me to that thread like a good boy
>>18446024you posted it retard
>>18446026Sure buddy
>>18446029i’m not digging up a thread YOU posted in which YOU got BTFO and then ran off
>>18446033Interesting, tell me more
>>18446036whatever. another shit thread will remain up here. the trinitarians will inevitably BTFO you with the church fathers and then you’ll make another thread a few weeks later
>>18446040You realize the Trinity is one of the most popular topics on this board right? This includes comparisons with Arianism. Do you sperg out on every post on this topic and think it's one person?
>>18446046unless you somehow unknowingly copied the writing style of the other arian heretic then no, i’m not making a mistake. or maybe you did but it’s because satan is using you like a puppet.
>>18446050Hahaha please tell me what you analyzed from my writing style and how you think it matches a previous post. My OP was literally 16 words, I'd like to see how you based your conclusion
>>18446055i suspected it was you but how you’ve been writing throughout the thread 100% guarantees it’s you. you might as well namefag at this point
>>18446058Please share the basis of your certainty. You are right, there's only one poster on the entirety of 4chan interested in this topic
>>18446061this is boring. i’ll come back in a few days and see how the church fathers tear you a new asshole AGAINthis time you’ll stop posting, right? right????
>>18446067Bye-bye. You totally caught me. My name is Arius, I'm the one person on /his/ interested in Arianism. Your genius linguistic analysis exposed me.
>>18446076He’s right though. The religious threads are excessive. They’ve completely ruined the board. Everything is about God, the ACW, or WW2. Post this question on Reddit.
>>18445884Who is Christ prostrating to here?
That's wrong. Jesus Christ is God, He was no created.Col 1:15-17 "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. He died on the cross as a sinless sacrifice for all the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sins. He was buried, then rose again from the dead. One day you will stand before Him, and He will judge you. You can either repent to God by receiving Him and be saved, or reject Him and go to hell for your sins.Rom. 3:23-25: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”1 John 5:7: “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”Salvation is by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9, given by God, Romans 10:8 & 17) only in the one, final, effectual sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ (Heb. 10:8-12) dying in your place (1 Cor. 15:3-4) as a substitutionary offering for sin (Rom. 5:1-10). His blood atonement made for you is finished, so if you have received the Lord Jesus by faith (John 1:12) in your heart, you're forgiven of all your sins and are saved, once for all; finally and forever! (Rom. 8:38-39, Romans 4:5)Rom. 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntchttps://truthischrist.com/seven/
>>18445893Constantine didn't even care one way or the other, he just wanted unity. He called Nicaea to find a majority view he could build off of and then enforced it against all the minority views
>>18445888So God wants rape and murder. Got it.
>>18446194>firstborn of every creatureIn other words, Christ is a created being? (a creature)
>>18446095EL SHADDAY
>>18446212No. Jesus was born but that doesn't mean that Jesus didn't exist before that. 2 Corinthians 5:17“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”"New creature" meaning a spiritual creature, since humans are not spiritual, when Jesus was born in the flesh, He was the first born spiritual creature. Adam was not born when he was spiritual, he was created, he didn't come out of the womb.
>>18445844Read the Cappadocian Fathers and Augustine
>>18446227The word creature literally means created being though. Whether he is a spiritual or physical creation, Col 1:15 still says Christ was created.
>>18446239It says He was born, and He was. Jesus Christ was made in the likeness of men, but that doesn't mean He was created. Philipp 2:5-8: Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.">The word creature literally means created being though.Okay, lets say that it means created being. Where does it say someone else made him? Just because God chose to be born in the form of a man, does that mean God was created? That's nonsense. John 1:1-2: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God."John 1:14 “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”Thee Word is Jesus Christ. Does that say God created the Word? No. He was with God was with God from the beginning.1 John 5:7: “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”This is the trinity.
>>18446247What does it mean to be born though? And how does it compare to an eternal being that was never born?
>>18446247>It says He was born, and He was. Jesus Christ was made in the likeness of men(NTA) It says "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible"That "For by him were all things created" really looks like it's an explanation of the "firstborn of every creature" phrase, meaning his birth in this context happened before everything else was created, not ages later when he became a human. Also, slight pet peve, I think the Greek more plainly says "in him were all things created," not by him, which is a little weirder.
>>18446259If you are born, that does not automatically mean you didn't exist before you were born. The Bible clearly says Jesus existed before He was Jesus walking on the earth in a flesh body. If I'm born right now into a new body does that mean that I didn't exist before I was born into that new body? No.
>>18446262Gabriel told Mary, He will be called son of the Most High, he did not say, he already is the son of the Most High.
>>18446287It’s a lot easier than saying>And He will assume a human nature, neither confused nor commingled, blah blah blah
>>18446262You are just confusing yourself with that explanation. 2 Corinthians 5:17“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”What do you think that means? Do you think that means you are a new physical creature if you're in Christ? If you're a born again Christian you know what it means. It means you are a spiritual creature now. You can still be in the same old fleshly sinful body, while still being a born again Christian.Jesus is the first one to be born as a spiritual creature, everyone else follow after. When you are saved, you are born again. This time not into the kingdom of darkness, but into the Kingdom of God.
>>18446304I don't think I'm confusing myself. There's a word connecting the phrase "firstborn of every creature" and "by/in him were all things created." That word is generally translated as "for" or "because" indicating that the latter phrase explains the former. They're not unrelated statements that just happen to be sitting next to each other. And the "all things created... visible and invisible" is fully past tense and refers to everything, not a new creation which is coming into being but the original one.
>>18446321All things were created by God, and Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God. I don't understand what is so hard to get here. All things were created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible. Does that sound like the work of a created being? If Jesus Christ was made, how could He have made himself? Afterall, everything that is in heaven was created by Him. >But the greek saysGod has not preserved his word in greek to this current day. He has preserved it in english.https://truthischrist.com/seven/https://truthischrist.com/elton-anomaly-823543/https://truthischrist.com/70x7-kjb-code-jesus-is-the-son-of-god/https://truthischrist.com/golden-sequence-kjv/
>>18446329>>18446321Actually, its better if you just watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBGjBMwQxqo&list=LL&index=1
>>18446329>God has not preserved his word in greek to this current day. He has preserved it in english.Ah, you're one of those.
>>18446329>God has not preserved his word in greek to this current day.What are you talking about? I can find it preserved in Greek right now
>>18446342by "preserved" you mean included with human additions, removals and subsequent mistakes and contradictions? I'm talking about a perfectly preserved, 100% pure word of God that we can read.
>>18446348So where are you getting an English version from without human additions?
>>18446353https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/
>>18446360No human additions? How did they fix the human additions in the source material they were translating from?
>>18446368By humans additions i mean additions, removals etc. that God doesn't intend to be there. https://kjvcompare.com/If you want to read something with errors and contradictions rather than the KJV, its your choice, i'm not gonna argue, i'm just showing you the truth. No need to be a smartass
>>18446373KJV was a translation though, if the source material had additions removals, then how does the translation of that source material not have the exact same problem, plus a layer of human translation on top?
I was actually quite surprised when I learned about Arianism and how it was considered a heresy, because as a kid "Jesus was made by God and isn't as strong as him" seemed obvious and default to me. I assumed that was what everyone else thought.My Grandma kinda encouraged it too, I once asked her if Jesus knows everything and she said "almost", thus denying his omniscience.
>>18446378We don't have all the texts that the KJV translators had, anyway, just watch this video first: >>18446330The KJV doesn't not have errors or contradictions. Your "Bibles" and and corrupted greek manuscripts do.
>>18446380>I once asked her if Jesus knows everything and she said "almost", thus denying his omniscienceJesus himself denies having omniscience in Mark 13:32 and Matthew 24:36>But about that day or hour no one knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but only the Father.
>>18446380What do you believe now?
>>18446380>I was actually quite surprised when I learned about Arianism and how it was considered a heresy, because as a kid "Jesus was made by God and isn't as strong as him" seemed obvious and default to me. I assumed that was what everyone else thought.Most people probably believed something like this before the Nicene creed was finalized and enforced. Most laymen probably still believe this, as you did
>>18446329>Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God.Is the image of something equal to the real thing?
>>18447234The image of an infinite being can only be infinite.
>>18447237So there is no difference between an image of the original and the original?
>>18447237>The image of an infinite being can only be infinite.What about a third image of Jesus Christ? Would that also be infinite?
>>18447258>Babby discovers the Holy Spirit>>18447247The only distinction between the image and the original in this case is relational
>>18447261>The only distinction between the image and the original in this case is relationalAn image of something is by definition derivate of that thing though
>>18447267That's why I said relational, the Son relates to the Father by being begotten by Him. That's the only distinction, they possess the same infinite divine nature. God from God, light from light.
>>18445847you aren't supposed Jesus never demands you worship him
>>18447546>Thomas said “My Lord and My God!”Filtered by the Gospel of John. Kek!
>>18446384>We don't have all the texts that the KJV translators hadWe still have the Masoretic text and the Textus Recepus lmao. We also know that the Textus Receptus was flawed considering that it differs significantly from our oldest complete copy of the Bible—the Codex Sinaiticus.As for the Masoretic Text, well the Dead Sea Scrolls validated it and any actual Hebrew speaker knows that the translators of the KJV did not know Hebrew very well.
It's three guys who are all a single guy actually. And they're all God. And he talks to himself all the time and condemns himself to suffer and die (he comes back later tho) for reasons that he created. How do you not get it? Most obvious thing ever. Don't be a heretic bro, I would hate to burn you alive or something for not accepting this. Don't persecute me for believing this either, also.
>>18445844Yeshuvans were obssesed with Yeshu. He HAD TO BE GOD, she hes God, but you have to honor Yeshu's jewish heritage and the fact he himself prayed to some entity supposedly not himself. Two gods who are father and son? Weird dualism, so let's just throw in the "Holy spirit" because 3 is more comforting
>>18448215Also syncretism with existing regional beliefs. The dying and reborn god was a very common archetype in the Mediterranean and Near Eastern world
>>18445844>>18445847If it's impossible to learn your way into the faith like in Arianism, then you denounce Jesus' version of the holy spirit and Abrahams seed.God was one once. Then he decided that there was Light and dark. His thoughts were concepts. Sometime one of his thoughts preferred darkness and he rejected it. That was satan who took with him some portion of thought. God came up with the conclusion on how to save the dark thoughts from being damned to eternity by atleast acknowledging them, without being consumed by them. The concious awareness of the dark, yet choice towards light, is who Jesus the Logos was.God thought up Jesus as a compromise against the idea of merging light and dark into eternal nothingness.E=mc2 because we are gods light.But, there is also a darkness which he denounced - which if we try to integrate into ourselves we cease to exist, which some gnostics erroneously think of as Nirvana or similar. It is nothingness, not enlightenment. You can either reject the dark or join it. Try to merge the two and you reject Gods creation altogether - worse than Satan. Or, hedge the topic altogether and decide to be an animal rather than a creature of Gods image (Jesus).Nicaea rejected Arius because he was the proverbial "Neo" redpiller of his time who threatened to legitimize the opinions and outrage of the germanic, maghreb-quarantined Roman retirees and previous Egyptian personnell who correctly identified that Rome had been willingly neglecting them to strengthen their grip on power. Christianity was being used as a political weapon as opposed to an instrument of truth.
>>18447546The apostles literally worship him before he gives the great commission
