Which culture was more of a civilizational lighthouse for the rest of humanity? The Greeks or the Romans? Lately I've come to prefer the Greeks. I neglected them for almost 20 years of my life, seeing them as sterile compared to the Romans. How wrong I was.
>>18446372Both unironicallyGreeks were better in fine arts, high culture, science, history, geography, philosophy, and theology.Romans were better in war and all related arts, administration, business management, engineering, architecture/city planning, law Overall I like the Romans slightly more because they had an indomitable spirit that gave them the edge in critical times
I. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS «HUMANITY».II. HELLENES WERE EXCELLENT IN AND FOR THEMSELVES; LATINS WERE OPTIMAL FROM THEMSELVES AND TO OTHERS: WHAT THE GREEKS WERE IN THEIR FRAGMENTARY SPECIFICITY, THE ROMANS BECAME, PERFECTED, AND UNIVERSALIZED.III. NOT ONE, OR THE OTHER: BOTH.IV. IF HELLENES WERE EXCELLENT, AND LATINS OPTIMAL, HISPANICS ARE MAXIMAL: WHAT GREEKS STARTED, AND ROMANS CONTINUED, HISPANICS TOOK TO ITS TERMINAL CONSEQUENCES IN THE XVII CENTURY.V. THE SYNTHESIS OF HELLENIC, LATINIC, AND HISPANIC CIVILIZATIONS IS CHRISTENDOM, AS LIVED IN THE HISPANOSPHERE; OTHER AMBITS OF THE CATHOLIC ORB HAVE ONLY THE HELLENIC, AND LATINIC ROOTS, OR ONLY ONE OF THE THREE.
>>18446410The Arabic and Chinese produced far greater civilizations
>>18446421Kill yourself
>>18446372The sumerians and ancient Egyptians All of western Eurasia and the med, from the Indus to Portugal, and all the lands colonised by those people, have taken the foundations of their civilisations and culture on those two lands. the Greeks and Romans merely rode on their coatails, something the Greeks readily admitted.
>>18446424Is the truth thoEuroaches stole everything from these great peoples
>>18446421NO.
>>18446372Neither, the vast majority of the world population before the 19th century had no idea who the fuck they were
>>18446372Greece and It's not even closeRome is for people who plays EU4 24/7
>>18446372The Anglos desu
>>18446410This
>>18446466Yes it isEuroid capitals were literally mudhuts in comparison to Beijing, Baghdad and Cordoba
>>18446372>Which cultureits not about culture, its about whiteness. whiteness creates civilization and by extension culture, its absence leading to the loss of both.
>>18446372I like the Greeks but The Romans beat them in almost every way even this one. The Romans contributed far more, in many more fields, for a much longer time span and to top it off, both maintained and spread Greek thought farther and for longer than the Greeks themselves could to the point that the Greeks would eventually consider themselves as the true Romans and never the other way around.
>>18446752ThisAnd the only reason people know the Greek Gods better than the Roman gods is because they grow up thinking the Roman gods are Planets.
>>18446727>Euroid capitals were literally mudhuts [...] [SIC]I. YOU ARE THINKING OF BARBARIANS BEYOND CIVILIZATION —GERMANICS, AND SLAVICS, DEEP IN THE NORTH, AND NORTHEAST, OF EUROPA.II. HELLENIC, AND LATINIC CIVILIZATIONS WERE NOT CONFINED TO EUROPA, NOR IS THE HISPANIC ONE.>[...] in comparison to Beijing, Baghdad and Cordoba [SIC]ANCIENT CHINESE CIVILIZATION WAS IDIOTIC: THE CHINESE WERE AND STILL ARE PRAGMATICAL TO THE DEGREE OF BECOMING ALMOST INHUMAN, AND WERE AND STILL ARE UNCONCERNED ABOUT ANYTHING OTHER THAN THEMSELVES, WHICH MAKES THEIR CIVILIZATION UNFRUITFULLY RIGID AND OVERLY SUSCEPTIBLE TO STAGNATION.ISLAMIC PERSIAN CIVILIZATION IS ESSENTIALLY MARRED BY THE ERROR OF HERESY, WITH ALL OF THE BANES THAT THAT ENTAILS IN ALL AMBITS.CÓRDOBA WAS ALREADY A PROSPEROUS URBS SINCE THE SECOND CENTURY BEFORE CHRIST, FOUNDED BY THE ROMANS.
>>18446733«WHITE» IS A SOCIAL CATEGORY INVENTED IN THE XVIII CENTURY BY ANGLOS, AND IT IS NOT APPLICABLE BEYOND THE ANGLOSPHERE: A «WHITE» IS A PROTESTANT ANGLO.THAT CITATION IN THE IMAGE ATTACHED TO YOUR POST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU COMMENTED.
>>18446410> IF HELLENES WERE EXCELLENT, AND LATINS OPTIMAL, HISPANICS ARE MAXIMAL: WHAT GREEKS STARTED, AND ROMANS CONTINUED, HISPANICS TOOK TO ITS TERMINAL CONSEQUENCES IN THE XVII CENTURY.No offense but you are fucking retarded. “Hispanics” have nothing in common with the Mediterranean civilizations of old. LatinXs (especially Mexicans which I know you are) are brown, low IQ racial bastardised abominations, you cannot claim the mantle of Roman or Greek civilization.
>>18446771NO OFFENSE, BUT YOU ARE MENTALLY ILL, BRAIN ROTTEN, AND ABYSMALLY IGNORANT.
>>18446760What about the french and the english? At the time of Abbassids and Song China England and France were the cores of Europa
>>18446372Persia - Medes
>>18446766>whites don't existyou are the problem and you need to go back to whatever hole of hell your people were spawned from
>>18446776Are you going to refute my argument or just attack me?
>>18446782AT THE TIME OF THE ABBASSIDS, AND THE SONG, ANGLOS WERE ABSOLUTELY IRRELEVANT, AND THE FRENCH WERE AT THE CIVLIZATIONAL CULMEN OF THEIR ENTIRE HISTORY.WHAT IS YOUR ARGUMENT?
>>18446786TO WHAT ARGUMENT ARE YOU REFERRING?WHO IS ATTACKING YOU?DO YOU FEEL ATTACKED RIGHT NOW?
>>18446372America
>>18446792> TO WHAT ARGUMENT ARE YOU REFERRING?The fact that Hispanic “civilization” has nothing in common with Ancient Rome or Greece you ESL faggot
>>18446801I SUGGEST THAT YOU LEARN WHAT AN ARGUMENT IS.
>>18446805>pilpulI accept your concession, brownoid.
>>18446810UAU, CONGARTULATION ON ANOTHER DEBATE VICTORY!
>>18446752>I like the Greeks but The Romans beat them in almost every way even this one.>almostwhat way didn't they?
>>18446817I did. You had no argument 60 IQ Indio
>>18446817lol
>>18446652Don't give OP a one way ticket to TRVKESville now. He can't handle it.
>>18446822Creativity. Nta but Cicero sums it up beautifully: >Greece has greater antiquity in all arts, which it not only discovered but also perfected, because the power and abundance of speaking was developed by the Greeks. When I consider Greece, Atticus, your Athens comes to mind especially and shines like a lighthouse. It is here that an orator first appeared, and here that oratory began to be entrusted to monuments and writingsThough Romans surpassed them sure. The MOG was brutal at times. And Romans enabled later western powers to surpass them in many respects too. But there is some analytical depth and other qualities that border on the ineffable that no one has quite matched the ancient Greeks in still . Perhaps "life composition" is a decent enough placeholder for now. I know that they propped up their lifestyle with slavery, war and great agonies, like any other achieving people. But if you just view their playwrights from Athens for a few brief generations, nothing really like that has ever occurred again. Even compared to Italian poets of the late middle ages and Renaissance, the Elizabethan era or God forbid Hollywood... The concentration of insight, innovation, poetic and linguistic and expressive depth and artistic excellence in the classical era has just never really occurred again anywhere on the earth. Through their totally original cultural creative abilities they formed the very foundation we all iterate on, and set many spires higher than most could ever dream to build towards all at once. Am Anglo btw, it's not an ethnoLARP.
Greeks. Behind even most of Roman achievements, there were Greek minds. Think of Roman Law - many of the greatest Roman legal thinkers were actually Greeks or Hellenized Easterners. Legal thinking itself was hugely influenced by Greek philosophy. The work of Roman law, that influenced the ages, was the Corpus iuris civilis. Justinian was not directly Greek, but as a Thracian who ruled from Constantinople still a member of the East. So even in the field, that is seen as innately roman, there is a huge hellenistic imprint. Also administration: a lot of the actual adminstration in the Empire was famously (or infamously) done by Freedmen from the East. Julian calendar was created by the Alexandrian Astronomer Sosigenes. Roman script originated from the Greeks. Romans didnt just integrate so much of Greek mythology and Greek ideas into their pagan religion that it practically became a replacement - also Christianity itself, becoming the Roman state religion later, was hugely shaped by theologians from the Hellenistic East. Romans actually achieved very little outside empire building. Their science, philosophy, literature, art, architecture - all was adopted from Greece/the East. And the Romans admitted so: "Greece, the captive, made her savage victor captive, and brought the arts into rustic Latium." Almost all of the (few) notable figures, that the Roman Empire produced in the fields of mathematics, science or philosophy, came from the Hellenistic East. Yeah, the Greeks began calling themselfes "Romans" at a certain point, but not because they were spiritually colonized by Rome, rather the opposite. The Empire was essentially Greek (or lets say Hellenistic). If you look at late antique Rome, there was very little left from the original Roman spirit, but there was a lot that came from the Hellenistic East with its mixture of Oriental and Greek culture. Which is really sad in a way, Rome never got the opportunity to organically develop its own civilization.
>>18446733Whiteys have literally never created an endogenous civilization that wasn't mudhuts and analphabetism. And no the Greeks ain't ''white'', the ancient Greeks are closer genetically to even Levantine Arabs than they are to pig-faced Germoids
>>18446410What a beautiful photo/painting I can't tell
>>18446372ancient rome wins in administration, law, war, and architecturenevertheless, i still prefer ancient greece for some reasonmaybe because romeaboos tainted how i should view ancient rome in a good light
>>18446372If you think that the Eastern Roman Empire was anything but a despotic pretender state, and that the Pope was anything but a hero for crowning Charlemagne, this means that you have no concept of Romanitas in the first place and view history through an extremely hellenophilic lense.
>>18446372China
