It's crazy how Chinese history is so epic and turbulent but nobody really cares because they all look the same and have similar-sounding, hard-to-remember names.
>>18447061I'd argue it's more of a result of basically every major Chinese historical figure being completely sociopathic which makes them less distinguishable than the historical figures of other cultures.
>>18447062No, that would be awesome if I could keep track of them
>>18447064If everybody's a soulless monster, nobody really sticks out. That's why I gave up studying Chinese history out of boredom anyway
>>18447062Nietzsche-pilled regent empress Lü was so evil that her libtard son was like: "yeah, this politics thing isn't for me, I don't want to be an emperor anymore">Lü Zhi sent an assassin to force poisoned wine down Liu Ruyi's throat. The young prince was dead by the time Emperor Hui returned. Lü Zhi then had Concubine Qi killed in an inhumane manner: she had Qi's hands and feet chopped off, eyes gouged out, ears burned, nose sliced off, tongue cut out, forced her to drink a potion that made her mute, and had her thrown into a latrine.[5] She called Qi a "human swine" (人彘).>Several days later, Emperor Hui was taken to view the "human swine" and was shocked to learn that it was Concubine Qi. He cried loudly and became ill for a long time. He requested to see his mother and said, "This is something done not by a human. As the empress dowager's son, I'll never be able to rule the empire."[6] From then on, Emperor Hui indulged himself in carnal pleasures and ignored state affairs, leaving all of them to his mother, and this caused power to fall completely into her hands.
>>18447069Somehow Empress Wu Zetian was even more cruel to her children
>>18447061Most of the difficulty is its layered behind learning how to read chinese.
>>18447068That really isn't my problem
china's national epic being based on the last time period there wasn't a sprawling blob says it all really
>>18447061>three kingdoms 2010 no longer on youtubewhat the fuck i wasnt done watching
>>18447061>ching chong revolted against ping pong because of muh starvation and oppression>ping pong killed millions in the process and replaced ching chong>ping pong's descendant ran the country to the ground causing starvation and oppression >bing bong revolted against ping pong because of muh starvation and oppression>rinse and repeat
>>18447069>mother commits atrocity>should I stand up to her, or do something?>no, I will become a decadent fuck up
>>18447061>and have similar-sounding, hard-to-remember names.I'm glad someone said this. This has always been an issue for me when studying Chinese history. Any tips on how to better remember names?
>>18447061Nobody cares because they sat in the corner by themselves for most of history. All the interesting shit was happening in the Near East and later Europe.
>>18447061Same reason why nobody cares about medieval European history between Charlemagne and the 1300s unless it’s the crusades. Literally just the same shit happening to people with the same names for hundreds of years.
>>18447957There's nothing you can do short of actually learning Chinese yourself and looking at the meaning of the characters.
>>18447959You just described medieval Europe. China was like the fucking heart that kept the blood flowing throughout the entire medieval Eurasian world. Shit that happened in China reverberated through the entire world.
>>18447963Agreed, I was often alienated by Chinese and European Medieval history. Names of the people involved arr rook same>Bing Chao, Bong Bao, Ching Qing, Qong Dong, Bing Pong, Pong Ping, Hua Hu, Hu Bu, Lu Xiu, Xiu Bong, Qin Qing>Edward VIII, Edmund VII, Alfred II, Albert III, Louis II, Louis X, Louis XII, John I, John II, John III, Jmes I
>xin>qin>chin>zin>xing>qing>ching>zing>xang>qang>chang>zang>xong>qong>chong>zong>xung>qung>chung>zung
>>18447950Some men are born as fags, if he dared to slit her throat things would be different. This proves his mother is right, he's a fag, fated for her mother to take full control.
>>18447061If they all look the same & act the same; wtf are they fighting for?
>>18447061It's also probably because 90 percent of Chinese history is fake. "China" was never a fully unified entity until fairly recently, it was a country filled with multiple nation-states that spoke languages that weren't even mutually intelligible with eachother until Mandarin became standardized
>>18447968yeah, they had the money, the power. Thehad it all and did nothing with it.Its study value is as cautionary tale.
>>18448571>It's also probably because 90 percent of history is fakeTrue for all continents
>>18447061Most of chink history is made upThey made no impact on world history
>>18448562Point
If you can't remember a bunch of two/three syllable names, that's on you
>>18448808I love when retards say shit like this
>>18448963qu re qiu aren't syllables, they're wild west gun sounds
>>18448967"Choo Ruh Chiou". What's hard about that?
Liu Bei did nothing wrong.
Why are they so obsessed with numbers?
>>18448973>betrays more people than lu bu
>>18447117Don't forget>Random natural event takes place>One billion changs interpret is as a message from heaven>They start slaughtering each other, all over the country, for no particular reason>This is recorded in Chinese history as the 'Glorious and Righteous Famalama-ding-dong revolt' that deposed the despised and evil Hong-Jo Dynasty and replaced it with the Jo-Hong dynasty (whose only difference is the name)>This repeats approximately once a century until the Commies burn the entire country down and turn the population into obedient worker drones.
>>18448991>This repeats approximately once a century until the CommiesYes, this cycle has surely ended now.
>>18448571That sucks because I was considering Sinology or Indology.
>>18448975Math culture
>>18448975supposed to rhyme and shit in chinese
>>18447068Yeah like after I could distinguish the names of the major dynasties, remember them in order and the rough intermediate periods, and explain to myself why they arose and fell (I’m particularly partial to the Khitans in the Southern Song period) I just didn’t feel like going deeper into many of the individual stories after I got through a biography on Chiang Kai Shek and spent a few months practicing mandarin just to disambiguate the names. Dropped it at that point because I realized that it’s really not so fun when the bad guy wins every time because it’s a culture where power so blatantly exists for its own sake. It would be like if the pagan principate was more tyrannical than the later roman dominate from Caesar onwards and it’s just 2000 years of psycopaths.
>>18447061That’s why for many non Chinese people the favorite is usually Cao Cao, his name is easy to remember, not the usual Ling, Chang, Chung
ITT: People who have spent under an hour "studying" China on wikipedia simplifying a 5000 year old nation with hundreds of millions of inhabitants to funny meme arrows
>Quing Quang Fong a leader of the Celestial Path of Oneness formed a pact with Meng Meng Bow to overthrow the Wing Weng Woo emperor after the betrayal of the Super Lucky Fun Time Many Best clan. 87 million battlefield deaths, 20 million peasants starved to death, 500,000 peasants eaten alive by the garrison during the siege of Beng Weng.
>>18449455Lol haha this is just as funny as it was in the last 500 threads
>>18449435One really has to pick a period to focus on, China from the mid 1700s onwards to now was my focus beyond narrative overview stuff, but again, I got really bored. And technically all those emperors are Manchus anyways lol.Couldn’t quite manage to finish the history of the Taiping since I got bored somewhere around reading about their messiah only touching gold and shitting in a silver chamberpot while millions of people were being slaughtered. It has its moments but it’s such a foreign mindset that it often feels utterly inhuman and brutal.
>>18447061>It's crazy how Chinese history is so epic and turbulent but nobody really caresBut that's the fun part. It separates us from the K-Pop drones and Anime Incels.
>>18447061>because they all look the same and have similar-sounding, hard-to-remember namesMeanwhile Europoid history be like>King Charles I>King Charles II>King Charles III>King Charles XXXIIAIQIA>NOOOO THAT'S OUR KING CHARLES XXXLLLMM, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FRENCH KING CHARLES XXXLLLMM >:(
a lot of the "they all have the same names!!!" stuff is overdone for comedic effect but finding out that there were three different important ministers in the Three Kingdoms period named Xun Yu, Xu You, and Xun You does my head inI'm sure if you're Chinese and reading the names in hanzi it doesn't even register, but come ON
>>18449633https://youtu.be/EmojAVhmZwg&t=186
>>18447061Chinese history is probably the most metal of all major national histories.
>>18449643Russian history goes hard too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sima_Yi%27s_Liaodong_campaign>Everyone who had held office in Gongsun Yuan's rebel regime, 1,000 to 2,000 in number, were executed in a systematic purge. In addition, 7,000 people of age 14 and above who had served in Liaodong's army were put to death, their corpses heaped up to form a great mound meant to terrorise those who survived.[41][42]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Changping>It is known as the greatest and longest battle of human antiquity. Infamous for being one of the deadliest battles in human history, several hundred thousand soldiers were buried alive in the aftermath. The main historical records for the events of this period is sourced from the Records of the Grand Historian, written more than a century later, which estimated roughly 450,000 dead on the Zhao side and 250,000 dead on the Qin side. Emperor Xuanzong of Tang (685–762) later built a temple over a collection of some of the human remains, and scattered bones and mass graves continue to be discovered on the site today.[3]
>>18449786>>18449789Ok, zhao, we get it, if you'll do that to your fellow co-ethnics we have to be on our toes about what you'll do to non-changs
>Emperor Huan of Han (r. 146–168 AD) maintained an exceptionally large harem, reportedly containing over 20,000 women.
>>18449796i know it smell crazy in there
>>18448977>>18448973>Liu Bei>Lu BuToday I learned that these are two different guys.
>villain is evil because...he's ambitiousdo chinks really
>>18449804dictators bad unless they usurp the emperor and his line continues or something.
>>18449818That's what I don't get, the pre-3K chaos seems to be an obvious indicator the dynasty lost the mandate of heaven, so why the seething over dong zhuo muscling out the last heirs of the dynasty?
>>18449823its simply because he lost. if the wei dynasty lasted longer cao cao would also be remembered as a hero instead of a villain.
>>18449826>cao cao would also be remembered as a hero instead of a villain.>mfw
>>18447061Chang history isn't epic lol. It's lame as shit except a few early periods.Deep down you know this and admit to this.That's why you have to come to this board to convince everyone that Chinese culture is so "hecking epic, pls pay attention to them and ignore the names!".You're jealous of countries like Japan whose history fascinate people and their thread gets lots of genuine replies
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>>18449860I’m quite fond of everything pre-Han. I basically see Qin Shi Huang as the end of the fun part of Chinese history in the same way so many only enjoy Roman history up to Actium.
>>18449802>>18448973>>18448977
>>18449891was lu bu a simp
>>18449889Me too. I think the dynamism just feel of a cliff and you can see their history has the same degenerate pattern as imperial Rome and Byzantium, which many find interesting but I just find tedious and repetitive. Too many palace intrigue, civil wars and what-ifs copes to military loses against foreigners.
>>18449893maybe
>>18449903>diaochan was a haggrim
>>18449907I enjoyed these romance arks in 2014 3k
>>18449889>>18449901>falling for legit engineered official narratives meant to perpetuate Imperial institutions and the idea of an eternal empire.Not gonna make it /his/torically.
>>18448571I read about ancient Chinese economics, and there was some simplistic brilliance in it.Their currency wasnt being used enough, so the Ching mandated taxes can only be paid in currency, and suddenly its valuable. Obviously theyd kill you or something if you didnt pay taxes.They generated value through violence.There was also a theory that a rising 'middle class' were basically thugs who exported farmers and paid less taxes. So the Central authority basically played whack-a-mole with the middle class. The emperor was 'farming' the farmers, and middle class were predators on his food.
>>18447061they all look the same and there's too many of them
>>18447989The retarded part is they are all just different ways of saying the word we call 'china'
I think it's more about China being an enemy of the west rather than the names sounding weird. It's not like Japanese names are much better, or Korean ones.
Honestly rome history is more popular with the normies than China because of the monumental architecture.The only thing China has is weird castles, and the forbidden city.China might be older, but rome mogs them.
>>18447957It's because English without diacritics compresses the vowels and makes it all the names read like they sound the same. But they don't. Lu Bu and Liu Bei look like their names sound similar, but they aren't close at all. They're pronounced more like Lü and Lyo.Also many chinese historical figures have multiple names. It might be hard to distinguish Wei Ran from Wei Yang, but it's much easier to remember Wei Yang as Shang Yang. You might confuse Zhang Yi and Zhang Fei but only Zhang Fei is Yide.Finally, the name is only a name. The more you read about someone the more memorable they will be and the contents of their life are what matter anyway. You might still get the name mixed up but you'll remember what their role was. I still fuck up spelling Zhang Juzheng's name but I certainly remember who he was.>>18447092Watch these kinos instead.https://www.youtube.com/@ChineseShowsTranslated/playlists
>>18450026Japanese names are easier to distinguish because there's simply more of them. The list of Chinese surnames that see actual use is very small, they're almost all one syllable, and tones get lost in translation. There's only so many Wangs you can keep track of at one time.
>>18449464Calm down Deng, go abort your girl babies and eat another dog and you'll feel better.
